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![]() I was considering another question and in a bout of laziness I figured I'd ask the group and not spend a few hours reading Part 97 trying to figure it out... I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station, but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just provide my call as identification or do I need to include the station's call too? What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation? I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the station I'm operating and my call being the control operator but what is the accepted format for that for the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc? -= bob =- |
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![]() "KC4UAI" wrote in message ... I was considering another question and in a bout of laziness I figured I'd ask the group and not spend a few hours reading Part 97 trying to figure it out... I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station, but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just provide my call as identification or do I need to include the station's call too? What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation? I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the station I'm operating and my call being the control operator but what is the accepted format for that for the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc? -= bob =- SEE ARRL PAGE http://www.arrl.org/hrlm/additions/6-4-5.pdf EXPLAINS IT ALL Lamont |
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KC4UAI wrote:
I was considering another question and in a bout of laziness I figured I'd ask the group and not spend a few hours reading Part 97 trying to figure it out... I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station, but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just provide my call as identification or do I need to include the station's call too? This answer applies to US hams, as some other countries have other rules. Our license have two parts, a Operator Privileges and a Station Privileges. In principle, the station is licensed, not the operator. This probably has to do with remote station operations. However, it often leads to some confusion, such as an interpretation that an Amateur who has no station does not have a license. Another quandary can happen if say a friend hands you his HT at say a Public service event. Do you ID with his call? His call. What about ownership of the station? If I check out a rig for my club that was donated to the club, that will be for sale, do I have to ID using a club call sign? Okay, enough of that!! In reality, we are identified by our call signs. If someone refers to N3LI, I'm sure to say "wassup"? Every station I operate with the exception of Field day and contesting at the clubhouse, I ID as my call. What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation? I spent quite a while looking for just that, and there is no clear rule. There are some rules regarding operating another station when a person is operating outside their regular privileges, and upgraded callsigns. but precious little regarding the station vs operator issue. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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The relevant section is §97.119 Station identification. The call of the
station must be used, "an indicator consisting of the call sign assigned to the control operator's station must be included after the call sign." However, I don't think the FCC prohibits one amateur from lending his equipment to another. So you could take the position that the station owner has lent his equipment to you, and during the loan, it is your station, so you only have to use your call sign. "KC4UAI" wrote in message ... ... I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station, but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just provide my call as identification or do I need to include the station's call too?... |
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In article ,
Geber wrote: The relevant section is §97.119 Station identification. The call of the station must be used, "an indicator consisting of the call sign assigned to the control operator's station must be included after the call sign." As I read it, that paragraph (3) applies only when the operator's license class exceeds that of the station licensee... and most seem to feel that it's required only if you're transmitting beyond the privilege level allowed by the station license. However, I don't think the FCC prohibits one amateur from lending his equipment to another. So you could take the position that the station owner has lent his equipment to you, and during the loan, it is your station, so you only have to use your call sign. That seems to be the usual convention. There seem to be several common practices, which I believe (speaking *not* as a lawyer) fall within the scope of what the FCC considers a reasonable interpretation of the rules: - Use your own station callsign (the "borrowing/lending equipment" concept). This makes you fully responsible for the transmission. - Use the station's own callsign, only. This seems to be legitimate if you're operating with the station owner's permission, and are transmitting within the privileges covered by the station's licensee or trustee (and your own, if you don't have a higher- privileged control operator present). This is a common approach used for transmitting at a club station... you use the club station ID. - Use the station's callsign, slash, your own callsign. You'd do this if you want to actually ID the location you're transmitting from (e.g. a club station or that of a friend), but you're transmitting on frequencies which are allowed by your own operator class but not by the station licensee's class. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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![]() "KC4UAI" wrote in message : : I was considering another question and in a bout of : : laziness I figured I'd ask the group and not spend a : : few hours reading Part 97 trying to figure it out... : : : : I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating : : my station, but what if I'm operating a station that's : : not mine? Can I just provide my call as identification : : or do I need to include the station's call too? : : : : What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation? : : : : I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the : : station I'm operating and my call being the control : : operator but what is the accepted format for that for : : the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc? : : : : -= bob =- I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you saying that if you visit someone else's shack and operate their equipment, you should use their callsign..? Here in the UK the convention is to use your own call with the suffix /A (alternative address) i.e. "this is G6URP/A operating from the QTH of G3USA". If however G3USA was licensed to use bands/modes I was not, I could operate on them under his callsign, but giving my own call as the operator. In this case I would complete G3USA's log not my own. 73 Ivor G6URP |
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On Dec 13, 4:33 pm, "The Shadow" wrote:
"KC4UAI" wrote in message I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the station I'm operating and my call being the control operator but what is the accepted format for that for the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc? -= bob =- SEE ARRL PAGEhttp://www.arrl.org/hrlm/additions/6-4-5.pdf EXPLAINS IT ALL Yes, It sure does. Common sense seems to rule the day if you ask me. This question came up in a discussion about what the ID requirements where for operating the club station here at work. I was told that all I needed to do was use my own call, but be sure to log my activities in the station log. I guess they work under the "you are borrowing the station" when you operate it, but something just didn't sit right with me. If I'm required to log my activities into the station log but only identify with my call something didn't make sense and it didn't make sense to me just to use the club call when I'm using the station for my own thing. So, here's my "let's be totally careful" approach given the discussions I've seen so far.. In all cases, I will log my activities into the club station's log because the station trustee has requested that I do so. For identification I will: IF, I'm just operating the club station on my own and not participating in an officially sanctioned club activity I will identify with *both* calls, the club first followed by mine. IF, I'm operating the station during an officially sanctioned club event, I will identify with the club call only and log that I was the control operator. That sounds pretty safe to me based on what I've seen thus far. (At least here in the USA..) -= bob =- |
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KC4UAI wrote: For identification I will: IF, I'm just operating the club station on my own and not participating in an officially sanctioned club activity I will identify with *both* calls, the club first followed by mine. That's fine. Perhaps overly-conservative, but it seems like a fine operating practice. IF, I'm operating the station during an officially sanctioned club event, I will identify with the club call only and log that I was the control operator. That's safe, I think, *if* the club's trustee has a license class equal to or greater than yours. If not, then if you're transmitting in frequencies allowed by your privileges but not by the trustee's, then you *must* take the more-conservative approach of transmitting the club station's call, stroke, your own callsign. Otherwise, you'd end up with a situation in which listeners (possibly including the OOs or the FCC) would hear an ID in (e.g.) the Extra portion of the band, from a callsign belonging to a station which has (e.g.) only General privileges. That could result in a letter from Mr. Hollingsworth to the trustee, stating that the station had been transmitting outside of its license privileges and asking for copies of all of the logs, etc. That's the sort of situation best dealt with by prevention :-) -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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On Dec 14, 4:35 pm, (Dave Platt) wrote:
In article , KC4UAI wrote: That's safe, I think, *if* the club's trustee has a license class equal to or greater than yours. Yea, I failed to mention that the station trustee and I are both the same license class. Under no circumstances can one operate outside of his/her privileges while acting as the control operator and I wouldn't want to give the impression that one can just ID with the club ID and consider themselves an "extra for the day" by virtue of being in the club shack. Now if somebody is there with them they can extend their operations to include the highest licensed ham present, but the highest license present then becomes the control operator and communications outside of one's privileges becomes third party communications if I'm reading the rules correctly. I think I'm going to put a section in the operating manual for the shack that explains all this. Just to keep the raft of newbies coming in from making any mistakes that brings us to the attention of the FCC enforcement guys. -= bob =- KC4UAI |
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:43:29 EST, KC4UAI wrote:
I was told that all I needed to do was use my own call, but be sure to log my activities in the station log. I guess they work under the "you are borrowing the station" when you operate it, but something just didn't sit right with me. I'm the trustee of several club stations (all under one call sign) and NOBODY "borrows" those stations! Next time ask a communications attorney who specializes in interpreting FCC rules. ggg -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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