wrote:
Yet when the test is actually run, Morse Code proves to be faster, and
produces
a hard-copy printout for verification. The world-record-holder could
not beat a couple
of amateurs going at a fraction of the Morse Code record speed.

What serious CW operator cannot send Morse faster than he/she
can text-message? I don't know of anyone including me. But
give me a full sized keyboard and the situation changes.

Not only is the bit entertaining, it proves the point of newer not
always being faster.

Given no previous experience and one hour of training for
each mode, which would win? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Klystron" wrote in message


[snip]

: Wouldn't it make more sense to include WWV and WWVH
: along with WWVB?

Or even MSF...

73 Ivor G6URP

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: wrote:
: On Mar 23, 9:53???pm, Klystron wrote:
: ???Paul W. Schleck " wrote:
: ??? ???Wouldn't it make more sense to include
: WWV and WWVH along with WWVB?
:
: snip
:
: Such a system requires connectivity to the internet.
: WWVB does not; just requires a receiver.
:
: As does a GPS based time sytem.
:
: Both WWVB and GPS require decoding of the time
: information by something.
:
: Then, there is the
: matter of GPS, which has a time capability that is
: incidental to its navigation function.
:
: GPS can only be used where the satellites can be "seen"
: by the receiver.
:
: Which is the entire planet.

Those bits of it with an uninterrupted view of the sky, anyway. Doesn't
work too well in my basement office. Or under the canopy of trees on the
road outside my house.


73 Ivor G6URP

On Mar 25, 3:15 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
The world-record-holder

(in text messaging)

could not beat a couple
of amateurs going at a fraction of the Morse Code record speed.

What serious CW operator cannot send Morse faster than he/she
can text-message? I don't know of anyone including me. But
give me a full sized keyboard and the situation changes.

Of course! But what cell phone has a full sized keyboard?

And if the Morse operators are allowed full sized Morse keyboards,
the situation changes yet again.

With a decent 10 speed bicycle I could win the Boston Marathon
(as long as everybody else has to run).

Not only is the bit entertaining, it proves the point of newer not
always being faster.

Given no previous experience and one hour of training for
each mode, which would win? :-)

Bwaahaahaa! ;-) Good one!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ivor Jones wrote:

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: wrote:
: On Mar 23, 9:53???pm, Klystron wrote:
: ???Paul W. Schleck " wrote:
: ??? ???Wouldn't it make more sense to include
: WWV and WWVH along with WWVB?
:
: snip
:
: Such a system requires connectivity to the internet.
: WWVB does not; just requires a receiver.
:
: As does a GPS based time sytem.
:
: Both WWVB and GPS require decoding of the time
: information by something.
:
: Then, there is the
: matter of GPS, which has a time capability that is
: incidental to its navigation function.
:
: GPS can only be used where the satellites can be "seen"
: by the receiver.
:
: Which is the entire planet.

Those bits of it with an uninterrupted view of the sky, anyway. Doesn't
work too well in my basement office. Or under the canopy of trees on the
road outside my house.

Neither do any of the traditional time and frequency stations without
a working antenna.


--
Jim Pennino

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wrote in message
news
[snip]

: : GPS can only be used where the satellites can be
: : "seen" by the receiver.
: :
: : Which is the entire planet.
:
: Those bits of it with an uninterrupted view of the sky,
: anyway. Doesn't work too well in my basement office. Or
: under the canopy of trees on the road outside my house.
:
: Neither do any of the traditional time and frequency
: stations without a working antenna.

True, but my internet-connected computers don't need a working antenna,
they get their info from the ntp server :-)

73 Ivor G6URP

Ivor Jones wrote:
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news

[snip]

: : GPS can only be used where the satellites can be
: : "seen" by the receiver.
: :
: : Which is the entire planet.
:
: Those bits of it with an uninterrupted view of the sky,
: anyway. Doesn't work too well in my basement office. Or
: under the canopy of trees on the road outside my house.
:
: Neither do any of the traditional time and frequency
: stations without a working antenna.

True, but my internet-connected computers don't need a working antenna,
they get their info from the ntp server :-)

Where do you think most ntp servers get their time these days?

--
Jim Pennino

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:28:23 EDT, wrote:

Of course! But what cell phone has a full sized keyboard?

IIRC I can generate and send text-messages using the Motorola Phone
Tools computer software connected to my Motorola cellphone via a USB
port, thereby using a full-size screen and keyboard to do so. I use
that setup to edit my "call list" in the 'phone.

Although I have received text messages on that 'phone, I have yet had
no need to send one. Compared to the JHS and HS crowd, I am certainly
"deprived".
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

"Of course! But what cell phone has a full sized keyboard?

IIRC I can generate and send text-messages using the Motorola Phone
Tools computer software connected to my Motorola cellphone via a USB
port, thereby using a full-size screen and keyboard to do so. I use
that setup to edit my "call list" in the 'phone.


So given a typist of comparable proficiency to the Morse operators (
meaning probably in the region of 80 - 100 wpm) it is most likely that the
text message would win the race; depending on system delays, which again is
not a fair comparison to face to face Morse. You could wait for hours, or
days, or even years for the bands to open to a particular location!!

It all goes to show that you must compare like with like. I am sure that the
Morse operators would have also lost if they were forced to send extraneous
letters as they cycled through to find the correct one, as the text'er had
to.

73
Jeff

"Jeff" wrote:

So given a typist of comparable proficiency to the Morse operators (
meaning probably in the region of 80 - 100 wpm) it is most likely that the
text message would win the race; depending on system delays, which again is
not a fair comparison to face to face Morse. You could wait for hours, or
days, or even years for the bands to open to a particular location!!

It all goes to show that you must compare like with like. I am sure that the
Morse operators would have also lost if they were forced to send extraneous
letters as they cycled through to find the correct one, as the text'er had
to.



Ultimately, we need to treat these various modes as methods of
sending text - no more and no less. Two methods that send the same text
are competing modes, regardless of whether keyboards, a telephone keypad
or a telegraph key is used to send it. A method that sends those blocks
of text faster and with fewer errors is better. A slower, more error
prone method is inferior. Not all encoding schemes are equal. Some, like
ASCII, encode the entire alphabet, including upper and lower case.
Others, like ISO-Latin-1, can encode even more characters. In general,
the more inclusive encoding method is better. An encoding scheme that is
easily adapted to error correction (parity, automatic re-send, etc.) is
also considered better. So claiming that phones, data modes and Morse
can't be compared because they are somehow "different" ignores the
ultimate reason for their existence - text communication via radio.

--
Klystron