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Two days and I can become a no code VEC! Yep, passed the General and
Amateur Extra and just waiting for the regs to catch up! Remember your next VEC could be "code free!" |
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Remember your next VEC could be "code free!" Since I've already taken all the code tests (and theory examinations) I'm going to take, it really doesn't matter to me or not if the VE is coded or not. |
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an old friend wrote:
... well it VE and I think a few more things are required like some kind of training or test Well, potty training would be nice. I'd much prefer a potty trained vec ... Some type of test to make sure they are potty trained would be of some benefit, I suppose ... JS |
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On Feb 20, 4:37�pm, John Smith I wrote:
an old friend wrote: * ... well it VE and I think a few more things are required like some kind of training or test Well, potty training would be nice. *I'd much prefer a potty trained vec ... Some type of test to make sure they are potty trained would be of some benefit, I suppose ... JS your plea for attention is granted http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
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an old friend wrote:
... your plea for attention is granted http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ What? It takes a genius to figure out a cub scout den mother could administer the test? I mean come on, these idiots are just begging for it ... JS |
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wrote in message oups.com... Two days and I can become a no code VEC! Yep, passed the General and Amateur Extra and just waiting for the regs to catch up! Remember your next VEC could be "code free!" Individuals are VEs not VECs. Organizations like W5YI, ARRL, and others are VECs. Dee, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
... Individuals are VEs not VECs. Organizations like W5YI, ARRL, and others are VECs. Dee, N8UZE Dee: As always, you are exactly technically correct. If the nice ladies in my Catholic Altar Society, the ones who do all the nice bake sales, wine tasting organizing, flowers, etc.--they would make a good example of what would constitute a good VEC, for just "another example." JS |
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wrote in message oups.com... Two days and I can become a no code VEC! Yep, passed the General and Amateur Extra and just waiting for the regs to catch up! Remember your next VEC could be "code free!" Oh, you will become a Volunteer Exam Coordinator? So a person who passes elements 3 and 4 can actually become a VEC, like ARRL and WY5I? I would like to know the name of the coordinating VEC organization responsible for issuing element 4 CSCE's to someone who doesn't even know the difference between a VE and a VEC. Maybe new VE's will be "code free" but I would hope they know the difference between a "VE" and a "VEC". ;-)) |
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"Stefan Wolfe" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Two days and I can become a no code VEC! Yep, passed the General and Amateur Extra and just waiting for the regs to catch up! Remember your next VEC could be "code free!" Oh, you will become a Volunteer Exam Coordinator? So a person who passes elements 3 and 4 can actually become a VEC, like ARRL and WY5I? I would like to know the name of the coordinating VEC organization responsible for issuing element 4 CSCE's to someone who doesn't even know the difference between a VE and a VEC. Maybe new VE's will be "code free" but I would hope they know the difference between a "VE" and a "VEC". ;-)) In addition, it would be very difficult to get the FCC to grant VEC status to any group or individual. According to something I read awhile back, they believe that there are enough VECs to do the job and so are not inclined to allow any more. However, the number of VEs is limited only by the number of licensees who are eligible to become VEs. Dee, N8UZE |
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On Feb 20, 6:03�pm, John Smith I wrote:
Dee Flint wrote: * ... Individuals are VEs not VECs. *Organizations like W5YI, ARRL, and others are VECs. Dee, N8UZE Dee: As always, you are exactly technically correct. ...to PAST definitions...which are NOT quite definitions in the official sense but rather "CW" (Conventional Wisdom). In the FUTURE (which happens right after everyone reads this) there may very well be whole VECs which do NOT (gasp!) have morsemen requirements! Ahem...FCC 06-178 is the revolutionary decision which is bound to upset many applecarts, rending of garments, applications of soot, gnashing of teeth, etc. Woe! (sort of rhymes with "sow") Skies falling, etc. The FCC *created* both VECs and COLEMs...just as they UN-created code testing for amateur radio licenses in the very, very near future...like Friday. :-) A "No Code VEC" in the future? Why not? To those who say "NAY! NEVER!" I award the venerable "cat-ass-trophy." LA If the nice ladies in my Catholic Altar Society, the ones who do all the nice bake sales, wine tasting organizing, flowers, etc.--they would make a good example of what would constitute a good VEC, for just "another example." JS |
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On Feb 21, 11:14�am, John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... * To those who say "NAY! *NEVER!" I award the venerable * *"cat-ass-trophy." Len: I think all whos' only purpose is for the continuation of amateur radio in a relevant and up-to-date manner will agree, logical questions, exams, examiners, methods and procedures need to be established, followed, and upheld--and, especially in regards to realignment with present rules and regulations. Well, "present" as to the period on and after 23 Feb 07. :-) Attrition should continue on at its' accelerating pace and shortly remove any doubt as to the death of morse. *CW is a problem which has fittingly supplied its' own fix and is now engaged in implementing that fix (death.) Easy go there, Stocktonite. Some of us are a bit advanced on the "attrition list." :-) No sweat, I come from long livers on both sides. ["how long" he asked..."oh, about this long" was the answer, indicating a span of about three feet...:-) ba-dum-bump rimshot] All new hams need only be aware of the past sins of arrl and the fanatic devotion to CW and personalities as opposed to principals which has caused cat-ass-trophy-type-damage to amateur radio and to steer clear of the arrl or any movements to re-establish some pseudo-class system amongst amateurs and thereby replace the "CW class system" with a new and equally insane and damaging one. "The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. There are many copies. They have a Plan!" :-) [voice-over to beginning of each "Battlestar Gallactica" episode on Sci-Fi channel...it MAY just be applicable to the newer generations of radio amateurs] We need history to help us avoid making the same old mistakes anew ... NOT as told to us by the League. There ARE many sources, though few are as kind and glowing and sinning-by-omission as the League. The old-timers need to be avoided like the plague. Yes and no. My friends are (mostly) old-timers. However, being friends we do respect one another. Therein is the difference of the olde-tymer morsemen who respect NO ONE but those who are also morseodists. It is almost a religious thing. :-( *The old failed methods and tactics need to be avoided. *The future needs to meet up with amateur radio and bring it to life in the new millennium. Yes. But, there IS some "life." "Life" does not begin and end with the code key and monotonic assymetric rhythms of beeping morse. This is very hard to get across to the olde-tymers who've never really ventured outside of "working DX with CW on HF." "Life" has already breathed its way into the Big 3 of modern amateur radio design-innovation-manufactu Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood. Those radios have all the possible "bells-and- whistles" any licensed amateur needs. The Big 3 make radios for many radio services, do NOT depend on amateurs for their sole market penetration as do a few USA makers. [Icom needs to look at its Aviation product line harder, IMHO] One thing for damn su The organizations have to GET OUT to others much more. They must stop singing to the chorus of like-minded amateurs and speak at the PUBLIC. The League has some resources but all they do is babble at other amateurs...and the more vocal amateurs only babble at other amateurs and exchange high-fives in gratuitous "congratulations" which aren't deserved. Comedy breaks on the Jay Leno "Tonight" show aren't "informing the public." Those are just comedic spots and some adult sarcasm at the fad of adolescents "text messaging." It's nice that Walter Cronkite can do some video narration, but let's face it, Walt is getting on in years. He is fine for the annual Vienna Philharmonic music thing on TV, but he is NO LONGER on regular news or many other specials. Down here the TV cable service has some lovely free HD programs on many different subjects. Three channels worth, all for HDTV. HDTV is here, among us, will soon be the only TV that is broadcast. Wonderful picture, great sound. But, can you imagine even a half hour of olde-tyme "CW" showing the modern generations the "joy and rapture" of "radio" of the 1930s? I think that would severly test the ability of the best producers of TV and film down here. If radio amateurs REALLY wanted to "spread the word" of their hobby, they could. But, the olde-tymers keep intimating that only They "know what is best" and that "best" way got cancelled long ago. Ya know, on retrospect, I should have become an MD, one with an orthopedic specialty. I could have cleaned up financially treating all those olde-tymers who got injured patting themselves on the back for so long. :-) Regardez, LA |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... To those who say "NAY! NEVER!" I award the venerable "cat-ass-trophy." Len: I think all whos' only purpose is for the continuation of amateur radio in a relevant and up-to-date manner will agree, logical questions, exams, examiners, methods and procedures need to be established, followed, and upheld--and, especially in regards to realignment with present rules and regulations. Attrition should continue on at its' accelerating pace and shortly remove any doubt as to the death of morse. CW is a problem which has fittingly supplied its' own fix and is now engaged in implementing that fix (death.) All new hams need only be aware of the past sins of arrl and the fanatic devotion to CW and personalities as opposed to principals which has caused cat-ass-trophy-type-damage to amateur radio and to steer clear of the arrl or any movements to re-establish some pseudo-class system amongst amateurs and thereby replace the "CW class system" with a new and equally insane and damaging one. We need history to help us avoid making the same old mistakes anew ... The old-timers need to be avoided like the plague. The old failed methods and tactics need to be avoided. The future needs to meet up with amateur radio and bring it to life in the new millennium. JS And your specific proposals are? Just saying that one needs to avoid the old and come up with something new is useless. Concrete ideas and specific plans are needed. Dee, N8UZE |
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On Feb 21, 3:12�pm, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:09:04 -0500, "Dee Flint" wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... * To those who say "NAY! *NEVER!" I award the venerable * *"cat-ass-trophy." Len: I think all whos' only purpose is for the continuation of amateur radio in a relevant and up-to-date manner will agree, logical questions, exams, examiners, methods and procedures need to be established, followed, and upheld--and, especially in regards to realignment with present rules and regulations. Attrition should continue on at its' accelerating pace and shortly remove any doubt as to the death of morse. *CW is a problem which has fittingly supplied its' own fix and is now engaged in implementing that fix (death.) All new hams need only be aware of the past sins of arrl and the fanatic devotion to CW and personalities as opposed to principals which has caused cat-ass-trophy-type-damage to amateur radio and to steer clear of the arrl or any movements to re-establish some pseudo-class system amongst amateurs and thereby replace the "CW class system" with a new and equally insane and damaging one. We need history to help us avoid making the same old mistakes anew ... The old-timers need to be avoided like the plague. *The old failed methods and tactics need to be avoided. *The future needs to meet up with amateur radio and bring it to life in the new millennium. JS And your specific proposals are? *Just saying that one needs to avoid the old and come up with something new is useless. *Concrete ideas and specific plans are needed. did you read the following"All new hams need only be aware of the past sins of arrl and the fanatic *devotion to CW and personalities as opposed to principals which has caused cat-ass-trophy-type-damage to amateur radio and to steer clear of the arrl or any movements to re-establish some pseudo-class system amongst amateurs and thereby replace the "CW class system" with a new and equally insane and damaging one." looks a fairly derect suggestion to finish undoing incentive lciensing and not replace it with anything like it the future Dee wants Absolute, Detailed, Worked-Out, Vetted and Verified (officially) NEW plans. Otherwise, the old system is good enough for her. Why not? She "earned" her rank-status-title-privileges under the old system. A new system would put that beloved rank-status-title-privileges in jeopardy. A "NEW" thing can be worked out democratically by simply submitting a Proposal to the FCC. Naturally the ARRL will be opposed to that...unless They submitted it. :-) Evolution will happen, like it or not. Old species (such as morseodists) will become extinct. Such is the way of evolution. However, Dino-sours bones are sort-of interesting to study...as are old fossils. Regardez, LA |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... To those who say "NAY! NEVER!" I award the venerable "cat-ass-trophy." Len: I think all whos' only purpose is for the continuation of amateur radio in a relevant and up-to-date manner will agree, logical questions, exams, examiners, methods and procedures need to be established, followed, and upheld--and, especially in regards to realignment with present rules and regulations. Attrition should continue on at its' accelerating pace and shortly remove any doubt as to the death of morse. CW is a problem which has fittingly supplied its' own fix and is now engaged in implementing that fix (death.) Do you call yourself an amateur operator? Do you have problems with loyalty? Interesting how you have no problem smearing the very people who have kept the service alive. So, maybe you're not even loyal to your own mother. Who cares? All new hams need only be aware of the past sins of arrl and the fanatic devotion to CW and personalities as opposed to principals which has caused cat-ass-trophy-type-damage to amateur radio and to steer clear of the arrl or any movements to re-establish some pseudo-class system amongst amateurs and thereby replace the "CW class system" with a new and equally insane and damaging one. Ha ha, yes, like a written test. And do you think your buddy LA could even hope to pass today's element 4? I don't think this alleged IEEE illuminati could pass extra anymore. He's too retired...been out of the business for too long. He still calls a capacitor a condenser and a tube a valve. The test has become a better filter than morse code, (for extra only). Let's move on to fixing the general class test. Len is stuck in the past, recirting the history of radio science and denigrating the use of morse code which has long become a moot issue (science the institution of 5 wpm no code). I find it interesting that you and Len want to trash the old yet you both still communicate via usenet. I mean, isn't there something newer you could go to, like blogs? We need history to help us avoid making the same old mistakes anew ... Hahahaha...good one. The old-timers need to be avoided like the plague. Yes, out with the old, in with the new, from the very same people who brought you jobs outsourcing and illegal immigration, Al Gore and global warming. Those old paradigms ain't no good anymore. Time to ruin the culture. The old failed methods and tactics need to be avoided. The future needs to meet up with amateur radio and bring it to life in the new millennium. Unfortunately, today's EE graduate learn nothing about analog design. They cannot even design a linear power supply much less a switch mode. And to think of them trying to design an SSB transmitter or even a linear amp! If it's not prepackaged on a chip, throw it away. Digital rules. SW |
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:
[a LOT of stuff I clipped] Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio. However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods, beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to principals, advancement and progress. My interests in electronics and things relating to electronics have also held my interests and "loyalties." However, electronics have evolved. Most of the electronic "gear" I now work with is never meant to be built, maintained nor repaired by human hands. It is meant to grow obsolete in a matter of years and be replaced. When amateur radio becomes current, its' gear will be of a likewise state. Things change. Amateur radio does not exist in a vacuum, it must adapt also. It has been held hostage by a relative few who have stalled its' advancement. However, it always has been subject to the same rules which govern all: Adapt and evolve or become extinct. Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is implemented ... All of us will die, let amateur radio live on and eventually reach a state where none alive today would ever recognize it, but most of all, let it become relevant and important and of valid use to those of the future who we will never meet. Let us leave them something they can thank us for. JS |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:36:34 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... To those who say "NAY! NEVER!" I award the venerable "cat-ass-trophy." Len: I think all whos' only purpose is for the continuation of amateur radio in a relevant and up-to-date manner will agree, logical questions, exams, examiners, methods and procedures need to be established, followed, and upheld--and, especially in regards to realignment with present rules and regulations. Attrition should continue on at its' accelerating pace and shortly remove any doubt as to the death of morse. CW is a problem which has fittingly supplied its' own fix and is now engaged in implementing that fix (death.) Do you call yourself an amateur operator? I think he does Do you have problems with loyalty? why do you ask? I'm just interested in measuring the gene pool of today's youth for essential human qualities such as 'loyalty'. Do you know what a gene pool is? Hint: It does not involve a cue stick. Interesting how you have no problem smearing the very people who have kept the service alive. no he is being critcal of those that have trying more or les to kill the ARS in His opinion and mine Fear not, it is being resurrected by new Extra's who cannot even tell the difference between a VEC and a VE. So, maybe you're not even loyal to your own mother. Who cares? you do When it comes to posting flames, you are no Len Anderson. Please stop trying to act like him. One LA is rrap is more than enough. |
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Dee Flint wrote:
... And your specific proposals are? Just saying that one needs to avoid the old and come up with something new is useless. Concrete ideas and specific plans are needed. Dee, N8UZE Dee: Concrete and specific? OK. Let us persuade manufactures to create more transceivers which plug into our computer buses (pci/usb/etc.) Let the standard amateur amp be a 1mhz-12ghz laboratory amp. Let us see these mass produced in china and the cost drop by magnitudes. Let us see high school electronic classes assisting students get ham tickets. Let us put the focus of amateur radio where it rightly belongs, equipment and licenses in the hands of those who are making the future while living towards the future. JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
Let us see high school electronic classes assisting students get ham tickets. I teach GED classes in the local cisd system. The web server firewall blocks access to anything associated with amateur radio because it is "entertainment". www.arrl.org access is blocked right along with all the other undesirable web sites. My protestations have fallen on deaf ears. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith I wrote: Let us see high school electronic classes assisting students get ham tickets. I teach GED classes in the local cisd system. The web server firewall blocks access to anything associated with amateur radio because it is "entertainment". www.arrl.org access is blocked right along with all the other undesirable web sites. My protestations have fallen on deaf ears. Cecil: I was lucky, we got the college to purchase "sheriff cards" for ALL the PCs in our computer labs. Each time a new student logs on, the OS is complete reinstalled in memory and rebooted--NO TROJANS, NO KEY-LOGGERS, NO VIRUSES, ETC. And, this is QUICK!!! There is not a site on the planet we have to "shield" our computers and/or labs from, free speech and free access to information is the foundation of our labs. The students at our institution are privileged to the most democratic form of data sharing I can possibly imagine, the value of this is demonstrated by the caliber and quality of our CS grads. However, this was a hard fought fight. With the IT management and security fighting every move towards open access ... Ignorance, control and "secrets" are the most evil of evils ... Regards, JS |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Stefan Wolfe wrote: [a LOT of stuff I clipped] Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio. However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods, beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to principals, advancement and progress. You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all about me." |
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:
You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all about me." Blame it on the design of the species. Even when one is benevolent, it is because one gets pleasure from being benevolent. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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On Feb 22, 3:59�pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in ... Stefan Wolfe wrote: [a LOT of stuff I clipped] Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio. However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods, beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to principals, advancement and progress. You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all about me." Oh! Understand. It is all about YOU! :-) Everyone MUST be loyal to YOUR opinions? LA |
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On Feb 21, 11:56�pm, John Smith I wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote: * [a LOT of stuff I clipped] Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio. However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods, beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to principals, advancement and progress. OK so far - as long as there's room for the old as well as the new. My interests in electronics and things relating to electronics have also held my interests and "loyalties." Same here. *However, electronics have evolved. Most of the electronic "gear" I now work with is never meant to be built, maintained nor repaired by human hands. * It is meant to grow obsolete in a matter of years and be replaced. * What used to be called "planned obsolescence". Not a new idea at all the term has been around more than 50 years. Is planned obsolescence a good thing? When amateur radio becomes current, its' gear will be of a likewise state. Is that really in our best interests? Things change. * *Some* things change. And not all change is for the better. Amateur radio does not exist in a vacuum, it must adapt also. *It has been held hostage by a relative few who have stalled its' advancement. You mean the FCC. *However, it always has been subject to the same rules which govern all: *Adapt and evolve or become extinct. Ever hear of a fish called the coelecanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelecanth The oldest fossil coelecanths date back 410 million years. Coelecanths were though to have gone extinct more than 65 million years ago - until living specimens were found... How did they survive so long without changing? There are lots of other examples. Evolution is more complex than "Adapt and evolve or become extinct." Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is implemented ... What brink of extinction? There are over 650,000 hams in the USA alone. And I, for one, do like change - if it's change for the better. All of us will die, let amateur radio live on and eventually reach a state where none alive today would ever recognize it, but most of all, let it become relevant and important and of valid use to those of the future who we will never meet. *Let us leave them something they can thank us for. Such as? Jim, N2EY |
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From: on 22 Feb 2007 16:38:35 -0800
On Feb 21, 11:56?pm, John Smith I wrote: Stefan Wolfe wrote: Ever hear of a fish called the coelecanth? I've seen a Fish Called Wanda...enjoyable comedy. Are coelecanths good with garlic butter? The oldest fossil coelecanths date back 410 million years. Coelecanths were though to have gone extinct more than 65 million years ago - until living specimens were found... How can a fish "were though to have gone extinct?" Are you thinking? Have you any thoughts on it? How did they survive so long without changing? They were morse code qualified? They were members of the ACLU [Ancient Coelecanth Longevity Union, Oldington, CT] ? There are lots of other examples. Evolution is more complex than "Adapt and evolve or become extinct." They became code-tested amateur extras and reached immortality? Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is implemented ... What brink of extinction? There are over 650,000 hams in the USA alone. Other than yourself, how many are coelecanths? Are any of them coelecans? And I, for one, do like change - if it's change for the better. Tsk, ancient coelecanth, you've stated over and over that elimination of the US amateur radio code test is a BAD THING. Bad, bad...go sit in corner. The CHANGE was obviously not a good one to you. Did they find you in Woods Hole? Do you know what time it is on your Fossil watch? LA? |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: ... And your specific proposals are? Just saying that one needs to avoid the old and come up with something new is useless. Concrete ideas and specific plans are needed. Dee, N8UZE Dee: Concrete and specific? OK. Let us persuade manufactures to create more transceivers which plug into our computer buses (pci/usb/etc.) Let the standard amateur amp be a 1mhz-12ghz laboratory amp. Most of the new transceivvers do plug into our computers so that one is already done. How are you going to convince manufacturers to produce these amps. Goods live and die by supply and demand. Such an amp will be expensive no matter where or by whom it is produced. Let us see these mass produced in china and the cost drop by magnitudes. Again goods live and die by supply and demand. There demand isn't high enough for this to happen. Let us see high school electronic classes assisting students get ham tickets. This is a goal that needs more detailed thought. Who is going to lead the effort to convince the states and local school boards to add this to electronics classes? Who is going to lead the effort to have high schools even have electronics classes. None of the schools my children attended even had a classe. Who is going to lead the effort to make such a class a requirement for all high school students? Afterall you do want to reach everyone. You can't just throw the idea out there and expect some one else to pick up the ball and run with it. Let us put the focus of amateur radio where it rightly belongs, equipment and licenses in the hands of those who are making the future while living towards the future. These days it's difficult to find people really interested in pursuing technology of any kinds. Most people fall into the user category and simply expect technology to be available for whatever it is they want to do. They are not interested in creating the technology. We are becoming a society of consumers not creators. Dee, N8UZE |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:54 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... Stefan Wolfe wrote: [a LOT of stuff I clipped] Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio. However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods, beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to principals, advancement and progress. You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all about me." Actually, I think that, if you look really close, you would see that it was the rest of the world who advanced before we did in this particular instance. We have just caught up. |
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On Feb 23, 6:25�am, Bob Brock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:54 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... Stefan Wolfe wrote: [a LOT of stuff I clipped] Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio. However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods, beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to principals, advancement and progress. You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all about me." Actually, I think that, if you look really close, you would see that it was the rest of the world who advanced before we did in this particular instance. *We have just caught up. True enough. The USA wasn't even "second best." In fact, it wasn't even twentieth best. LA |
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