How is that some folks can spend hours telling you why something can't be
done and someone else can actually do it in a fraction of time that the
dissenter took to tell you ---- can't can't can't?

Case in point -- using google and groups search --- some of the no-coders
have posted hundreds and I mean hundreds -- nay thousands -- of no code
posts.

I submit you could have learned the code in half the time it took to
complain endlessly about the code.

Get a dose of old fashioned America CAN DO and stop making excuses.

362,073 + USA Amateurs have done it (not including tech pluses - have no
figures on these) .


Take this test
1. CW is antiquated -- Yes __ No___
2. I don't want to learn anything I don't Like -- Yes__ No ___
3. I don't have time -- Yes __ No ___
4. It is too difficult -- Yes__ No __
5. Its all a case of dinosaurs trying to keep us out of Ham Radio Yes___
No ___
6. I'll never use CW -- Yes ___ No ___
7. It is just a dumb tradition -- Yes ___ No ___
8.It is a waste of time -- Yes No ___
9. Write In ______ Yes ___ No ___

Add up all your yes answers -- whether they are true or false -- THEY ARE
ALL COPOUTS
They are excuses that keep you from achieving your goals.
Hope you don't do that with the rest of life's requirements.


The old Elmer

From: "Elmer E Ing" ElmerE

How is that some folks can spend hours telling you why something can't be
done and someone else can actually do it in a fraction of time that the
dissenter took to tell you ---- can't can't can't?

One reason is self-esteem. Some of the people in my local club said they didn't
want to learn Morse code at first, then they learned it anyway. By the way,
same persons in club that did that now claim to enjoy Morse code. People that
don't want to learn the code have the self esteem not to be pressured into it.

Another reason is image. They don't want it shown that they put effort into a
worthless (as perceived by non-Hams) pursuit.

Its also irrelavant.

Its also unfairly positioned in between the (technical) license classes. That
equates code to technical ability.

Hey thanks -- I'll add those to my tests for copouts

All in good fun


"Vshah101" wrote in message
...
From: "Elmer E Ing" ElmerE

How is that some folks can spend hours telling you why something can't be
done and someone else can actually do it in a fraction of time that the
dissenter took to tell you ---- can't can't can't?

One reason is self-esteem. Some of the people in my local club said they
didn't
want to learn Morse code at first, then they learned it anyway. By the
way,
same persons in club that did that now claim to enjoy Morse code. People
that
don't want to learn the code have the self esteem not to be pressured into
it.

Another reason is image. They don't want it shown that they put effort
into a
worthless (as perceived by non-Hams) pursuit.

Its also irrelavant.

Its also unfairly positioned in between the (technical) license classes.
That
equates code to technical ability.

Elmer E Ing wrote:
Hey thanks -- I'll add those to my tests for copouts

All in good fun

Hey Elmer! That one also doesn't think there are any pretty women on
the ARS, so you can paraphrase that to an excuse!

A really strange excuse, but still an excuse.

BTW, great job on trolling the troll. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

Yeah, we heard all the same nonsense 11-12 years ago when the nocode
ticket became available. Can you cite a single example of a nocode who
"pushed the hobby/service forward" since then? Where's the BEEF?! And
while you're at it perhaps you can explain what would change in this
respect by handing nocodes access to the HF bands too?

Ah, another old Artifact heard from...

Okay, old Morseman, please give us some exact cites of procoders
who have "pushed the envelope of the amateur state of the art."

There's been over 300K licensed procoders around since 1912.

All I've heard about is a lot of posturing and bragging and self-
promotion of self-described "greatness" of the procoders.

LHA

In article , Dwight Stewart
writes:

I agree. But then we shouldn't either. Our equipment is also advancing,
reducing the need for a fallback system (which may explain why code testing
appears to be going away). A modern station, equipped with the latest gear
(properly installed), has the ability to get through where needed. At that
point, it is fairly useless to argue CW offers more than that (even if that
can be proven - it hasn't).

"CW gets through when everything else will..." - B. Burke

I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

(WA8ULX) wrote in message ...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown. I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket. The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

w3rv

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

The epithet-tossing garbage-mouthed old man seems to have
difficulty with NUMBERS. I recall a jolly bit of BS of his about "26"
patents that were only ONE. :-)

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

Wrong. Flat out wrong ya Putz. Figger it out.


The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

Like I sed, I was on HF before you were. AND originating the traffic
content which you couldn't and didn't. Repeater mechanic. Bleh.


The epithet-tossing garbage-mouthed old man seems to have
difficulty with NUMBERS. I recall a jolly bit of BS of his about "26"
patents that were only ONE. :-)

Wrong. Flat out wrong ya Putz.

LHA