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![]() "WA8ULX" wrote in message ... Item two by doing such a thing only proves what us 'coders' have said over and over. Its all about a bunch of CB outlaws that are trying to destroy Amateur Radio by bringing the lawless tactics and attituded to the ARS. Come to think of it...Go ahead boneheads. Show the FCC we were right. Dan/W4NTI Sad part is that once they prove were right, nothing can be done to stop it. No, but wont it be 'wonderful' when the FCC auctions off all the V/U/above freqs and declares the Tech ticket NULL and VOID because they have no more allocations for them? And they can now operate on HF....unfortunatly HF will be useless because of the newly deployed BPL. Its all a plot....watch and behold. Dan/W4NTI |
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Kim W5TIT wrote:
Risky, yes, but only because one would not wish to be the acid test for whether the argument would work or not in a court of law. But the argument you present above is very interesting and I'd find it very interesting to see presented and debated in a court of law... Personally I *encourage* all those who think that they now have HF privileges to hop on and start using what they think they have.. Let enough people know, and we (or you yourselves, since you're so sure) can make recordings of your activity, then ship 'em off to Riley and get his interpretation of the matter! Have the courage of your convictions folks? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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JJ wrote:
Keith wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:28:18 GMT, "D. Stussy" wrote: Actually, this could be read in another way: There you go, we need some new thinkers on this newsgroup. It would help if we just had some thinkers, you included. I've dealt with these types before. Take one part of a rule, and then proceed to interpret the bejabbers out of it. There is no rule that can be written that cannot be interpreted just about any way a person wants to. In other portions of the rules, there is adequate understanding that for HF privileges, you must take a test, one of the elements consisting of a Morse Code test. In addition, we must note that the Morse code test has NOT been eliminated. It is now up to the individual country to determine if they want the test as a requirement. So, the US is still in compliance with the rule, in requiring a Morse code test. If we eliminate the MOrse code test, we will still be in compliance, having exercised that option as outlined in the rule. If you don't believe me, just give it a try, and provide documentation of your times and date. A recording would be nice too. Do you folks have the courage of your convictions? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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![]() Dickhead Craniumless blubbered again and said: What are you babbling about, JJ? He made it quite clear (except for morons): 1. The FCC Rules & Regs make reference to the code requirement as spelled out by the WRC. 2. The WRC no longer requires any code. 3. Ergo, the FCC Rules & Regs no longer require code. What's so difficult to understand? (Other than English, that is.) What are you babbling about dickieboy? Maybe his misconceptions are clear to idiots like you (why does that suprised anyone?), but the fact remains, until the FCC goes through the procedures necessary to eliminate the code requirement for the amateur radio service, it is still required and everything is just as it has been. Just because the WAC no longer requires the code, does not automatically drop it from the FCC requirements. Try reading more carefully and you might learn something, like how to find the 10 meter band. Lets see a newbie go for the General license and see if he can get one without taking a code test. You are as dense as this keith bird. You both must be really good on cb. |
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"Spamhater" wrote in message ...
HEY KEITH, IF YOU'RE NOT ILLITERATE, TRY READING PART 95 SOMETIME.... YOU WILL SEE HOW STUPID YOU SOUND. THE NEWEST VERSION! ALL AMATEURS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A COPY OF CURRENT LAWS AVAILABLE... BUT SINCE YOU"VE OBVIOUSLY NOT READ THEM TO KNOW THE LAWS, YOU WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF THIS ONE EITHER! NOW, IS THIS BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU TO READ AND UNDERSTAND?????? DUHHHHH....... JMS If only Part 95 dealt with the amateur radio service... |
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Does this give ANY of you No Coder types something to think about??? Please
read it over and maybe, just perhaps something will sink in. This is the way it is....end of discussion. From the ARRL letter, Vol 22. No 29 Dan/W4NTI ==WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE MORSE REQUIREMENT POST-WRC-03? World Radiocommunication Conference 2003 (WRC-03) made optional the requirement to prove the ability to send and receive Morse code to operate below 30 MHz. While Morse exam elements remain on the books in the US, Canada and elsewhere, Switzerland and the United Kingdom have apparently become the first countries to delete their Morse requirements for HF operation. In the US, however, the FCC is unlikely to act on its own motion to simply make the Morse testing requirement go away. "There isn't an exception in the Administrative Procedures Act that I am aware of that would permit the Commission to issue an administrative fiat changing the license structure or exam-requirement rules," said an FCC staffer who's closely involved with Amateur Service rules. Other countries can do this because they have different laws and procedures, the FCC staff member observed, adding that even if it could be done here, "that still leaves unanswered the fundamental question: What do you want the new rules to be?" In its December 1999 Report and Order restructuring Amateur Radio licensing, the FCC stopped short of revising the rules to sunset the Morse requirement automatically if WRC-03 deleted Morse proficiency from the international Radio Regulations. The FCC also acknowledged "a clear dichotomy of viewpoints" on the Morse code issue within the amateur community. The ARRL's policy for several years has been that Morse should be retained as a testing element in the US. At its July 18-19 meeting in Connecticut, however, the Board said it would solicit and review input from members on the Morse testing requirement and other possible revisions to Part 97 arising from WRC-03. The first move on the Morse code question in the US is for someone to file a Petition for Rule Making with the FCC seeking a rule change. No Code International (NCI) http://www.nocode.org/ has spearheaded the battle to eliminate the Morse requirement and would be a likely organization to file such a petition. NCI Executive Director Carl Stevenson, WK3C, said late last week that NCI was still studying the matter and had not yet made a final decision on a plan of action. An ARRL member, Stevenson says he hopes personally that the League would join NCI in actively encouraging the FCC to eliminate the Morse exam element as soon as possible. Hopes for a quick resolution to the Morse question could be wishful thinking, however. Once a petition to drop the Morse exam element is filed, the FCC will put it on "public notice" by assigning an RM number and soliciting comments. If more than one such petition is filed, the FCC is obliged to invite comments on each. When that process is completed, the FCC may determine that a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) is in order. The Commission at that point could incorporate all Morse-related rule making petitions into a single proceeding. The NPRM would get a docket number, and the comment process would begin anew. Further complicating and extending the process, the FCC most likely would incorporate other pending Amateur Radio-related issues into the same NPRM. At the end of the comment and reply comment periods, the FCC would issue a Report and Order (R&O) that includes its decision on the Morse code requirement and any other issues incorporated into the proceeding. The whole process could take a couple of years, perhaps longer. Ratification of the WRC-03 Final Acts by the US Senate does not appear to be necessary before the FCC can act or begin the rule making process. Following World Administrative Conference 1979 (WARC-79) which resulted in three new HF amateur bands, the FCC acted in 1982, prior to Senate ratification of the conference's Final Acts, not only to initiate the rule making process but to give amateurs limited access to 30 meters. Radio Amateurs of Canada has advised hams in that country that the Morse qualification requirement remains in effect for operation below 30 MHz, "pending a review by Industry Canada of the impact of the WRC-2003 regulatory changes on the Canadian radio regulations, policies and procedures." |
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JJ wrote in message ...
Alun Palmer wrote: Not quite. The rule is the same, but the 'international requirements' it refers to have changed. How you interpret that is another thing, but the FCC chose to write a rule that incorporates by reference the rules that were changed in the WRC. Here's an idea for an analogy. Anyone here ever write any code of the computer kind? Say you write something that makes a call to another object/subroutine, etc. The ITU have re-written the subroutine, and the FCC code includes a GOSUB that calls it (revealing my BASIC roots here). You obviously don't understand the FCC rules any better than Keith. Until the FCC eliminates the code test requirement, everything remains the same for U.S. hams. What are you babbling about, JJ? He made it quite clear (except for morons): 1. The FCC Rules & Regs make reference to the code requirement as spelled out by the WRC. 2. The WRC no longer requires any code. 3. Ergo, the FCC Rules & Regs no longer require code. What's so difficult to understand? (Other than English, that is.) |
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![]() "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ... Does this give ANY of you No Coder types something to think about??? Please read it over and maybe, just perhaps something will sink in. This is the way it is....end of discussion. From the ARRL letter, Vol 22. No 29 Dan/W4NTI ==WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE MORSE REQUIREMENT POST-WRC-03? World Radiocommunication Conference 2003 (WRC-03) made optional the requirement to prove the ability to send and receive Morse code to operate below 30 MHz. While Morse exam elements remain on the books in the US, Canada and elsewhere, Switzerland and the United Kingdom have apparently become the first countries to delete their Morse requirements for HF operation. In the US, however, the FCC is unlikely to act on its own motion to simply make the Morse testing requirement go away. "There isn't an exception in the Administrative Procedures Act that I am aware of that would permit the Commission to issue an administrative fiat changing the license structure or exam-requirement rules," said an FCC staffer who's closely involved with Amateur Service rules. Other countries can do this because they have different laws and procedures, the FCC staff member observed, adding that even if it could be done here, "that still leaves unanswered the fundamental question: What do you want the new rules to be?" In its December 1999 Report and Order restructuring Amateur Radio licensing, the FCC stopped short of revising the rules to sunset the Morse requirement automatically if WRC-03 deleted Morse proficiency from the international Radio Regulations. The FCC also acknowledged "a clear dichotomy of viewpoints" on the Morse code issue within the amateur community. The ARRL's policy for several years has been that Morse should be retained as a testing element in the US. At its July 18-19 meeting in Connecticut, however, the Board said it would solicit and review input from members on the Morse testing requirement and other possible revisions to Part 97 arising from WRC-03. The first move on the Morse code question in the US is for someone to file a Petition for Rule Making with the FCC seeking a rule change. No Code International (NCI) http://www.nocode.org/ has spearheaded the battle to eliminate the Morse requirement and would be a likely organization to file such a petition. NCI Executive Director Carl Stevenson, WK3C, said late last week that NCI was still studying the matter and had not yet made a final decision on a plan of action. An ARRL member, Stevenson says he hopes personally that the League would join NCI in actively encouraging the FCC to eliminate the Morse exam element as soon as possible. Hopes for a quick resolution to the Morse question could be wishful thinking, however. Once a petition to drop the Morse exam element is filed, the FCC will put it on "public notice" by assigning an RM number and soliciting comments. If more than one such petition is filed, the FCC is obliged to invite comments on each. When that process is completed, the FCC may determine that a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) is in order. The Commission at that point could incorporate all Morse-related rule making petitions into a single proceeding. The NPRM would get a docket number, and the comment process would begin anew. Further complicating and extending the process, the FCC most likely would incorporate other pending Amateur Radio-related issues into the same NPRM. At the end of the comment and reply comment periods, the FCC would issue a Report and Order (R&O) that includes its decision on the Morse code requirement and any other issues incorporated into the proceeding. The whole process could take a couple of years, perhaps longer. Ratification of the WRC-03 Final Acts by the US Senate does not appear to be necessary before the FCC can act or begin the rule making process. Following World Administrative Conference 1979 (WARC-79) which resulted in three new HF amateur bands, the FCC acted in 1982, prior to Senate ratification of the conference's Final Acts, not only to initiate the rule making process but to give amateurs limited access to 30 meters. Radio Amateurs of Canada has advised hams in that country that the Morse qualification requirement remains in effect for operation below 30 MHz, "pending a review by Industry Canada of the impact of the WRC-2003 regulatory changes on the Canadian radio regulations, policies and procedures." Why Thanks Dan, why did you cross post this? What does this have to do with CB Radio? Landshark -- Try these to learn about newsgroup trolls. http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:09:06 -0700, Keith wrote:
Why don't petition the FCC to ask them if techs can now use the novice portion of 10 meters. I don't need to petition the FCC. I need a legal opinion from it. Of course, time will tell where this goes. You need to find out what a Petition for Declaratory Ruling means. And how long it takes - IF they care to look at your request at all. Sheesh... I'm back to teaching FCC Administrative law again. So much for "retirement".... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
Keith wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:28:18 GMT, "D. Stussy" wrote: Actually, this could be read in another way: There you go, we need some new thinkers on this newsgroup. It would help if we just had some thinkers, you included. Since I was "double quoted" in this, I'm not certain if that last comment was directed back to me or just for Keith. However, note that I recognize that there may be an unintended result of the recent international event - and that is certainly a "new thought" for this group. It also demonstrates that no body of law should refer to definitions made in another body of law that one has no control over and expect things to be the same if the referred-to law is changed when the referring law isn't. |
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