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Some comments on the NCVEC petition
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, N2EY wrote:
Amateur radio operators, however, use it extensively. On the HF/MF amateur bands, it is the second most popular mode of communications, only slightly behind SSB in popularity. 1) Just because it won't be tested for doesn't mean that it can't be used! 2) In this petition, they made NO adjustment to the "CW protected bands." It is undoubted that someone will come along with a follow-up petition to decrease or eliminate the CW bands. I would be in favor of reducing their size to between 1/3 and 1/4 of each band (in many places, it's 1/2 of the band), but not complete elimination. Along with CW in many places come some of the digital operating modes (at least on HF) - and those too need protection from voice. PS: I haven't significantly used code since I passed it on the exam for my license, nor do I plan to. (If you look me up, you'll know that I have at least 13wpm because I held an Advanced as my prior license class from 10 years ago.) There is no requirement that any radio amateur actually use Morse code. Radio amateurs use it by choice. Justification for it NOT to be a requirement. (Do we all know what requirement means? :-) ) Written tests are a burden to the applicants, too. Are you advocating no license testing at all? How about no licenses? Having to fill out the paperwork is a burden too! (I am not advocating dropping the license requirement; just showing that his argument can be taken ad absurdium.) However, it should be noted that most of the Commission's enforcement actions for poor and illegal operating practices such as jamming, obscenity/profanity, failure to identify, operation outside of license privileges and failure to heed bandplans are against amateurs using voice modes, not Morse code or digital modes. Profanity, by itself, is illegal? The FCC has never said that. There may be limits and conditions where it's inappropriate, but there have been findings that in some very limited contexts that profanity by itself does NOT cause a violation to have occurred. Following this logic, the written exams should be stripped of anything a licensee does not have an interest in. Does that include having to answer ANY question? :-) This proposal simply drops Element 1 without making any other changes. Oddly enough, if it were adopted, Technicians would gain a bit of 10 meter SSB. Most of the privileges Technicians would gain would be slices of 80, 40, 15 and 10 meter CW. I don't see a problem with that. What's your problem with it? This petition is meant to address the change in international agreement dropping the code requirement as a license prerequisite and NOTHING MORE. They're not out to overhaul the entire service; just this one part. At least they're doing it in a way that has no impact on the rest of it. If you want to mess with the mandated bandplans, file your own petition. |
"D. Stussy" wrote in message .org...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, N2EY wrote: Amateur radio operators, however, use it extensively. On the HF/MF amateur bands, it is the second most popular mode of communications, only slightly behind SSB in popularity. 1) Just because it won't be tested for doesn't mean that it can't be used! Of course. That's not the point. The NCVEC petition tries to convey the message of "nobody else uses Morse anymore" as if that has some relevance to what hams do, and should be tested on. 2) In this petition, they made NO adjustment to the "CW protected bands." It is undoubted that someone will come along with a follow-up petition to decrease or eliminate the CW bands. Except there aren't any "CW protected bands" or "CW bands". There are 'phone/image subbands and CW/data subbands, however. Decreasing or eliminating them without other measures being taken is not a good idea at all. Is it really that much trouble for people to learn to write "CW/data subbands"? Because that's what they are, despite the fact that some people think they are CW only. I would be in favor of reducing their size to between 1/3 and 1/4 of each band (in many places, it's 1/2 of the band), but not complete elimination. Let's take a look at what's in place now: Band - Total kHz - CW-data/phone-image kHz % 160 - 200 - 0/200 - 0%/100% 80/75 - 500 - 250/250 - 50%/50% 40 - 300 - 150/150 - 50%/50% 30 - 50 - 50/0 -100%/0% 20 - 350 - 150/200 - 43%/57% 17 - 100 - 32/68 - 32%/68% 15 - 450 - 200/250 - 44%/56% 12 - 100 - 40/60 - 40%/60% 10 -1700 - 300/1400 - 18%/82% Total HF/MF 3750 - 1172/2578 - 31%/69% So what we have right now is more than 2/3 of US HF/MF available to phone-image use. Except for 30 meters, no band is less than 50% phone-image. VHF/UHF is wide open for all modes except for two little CW-only stretches at the bottom of 6 and 2 meters. Isn't that adequate? Why should the modes which are least spectrally efficent be rewarded with still more spectrum? NCVEC talks about new modes, technically knowledgeable people, yada yada yada, all the electropolitically correct buzzphrases. Will those people need wider phone/image subbands to use their manufactured rigs on SSB? There might be a case for some adjustments, though, like creating a non-phone subband on 160, widening 75 a bit, adding modes other than CW to the 6 and 2 meter subbands, and creating CW-only subbands on each HF band. Along with CW in many places come some of the digital operating modes (at least on HF) - and those too need protection from voice. "Many places"? Try "everywhere". CW has no exclusive subbands except for those two on the bottom of 6 and 2. CW has to share every bit of non-phone HF/MF space with data modes. In a nocodetest future, that should change. The petition talks about technically knowledgeable people and new modes and technologies. On HF, that stuff is almost exclusively happening in the CW/data subbands. Unless you count "single wideband" as a progressive new mode.... PS: I haven't significantly used code since I passed it on the exam for my license, nor do I plan to. That's fine. There's a bunch of modes I had to learn about for the tests that I haven't used significantly, if at all, since I passed the test. Nor do I plan to. A lot of hams, including me, use Morse very significantly. The NCVEC petition talks as if we code-using hams don't exist. (If you look me up, you'll know that I have at least 13wpm because I held an Advanced as my prior license class from 10 years ago.) How do I know you didn't get the Advanced via medical waiver? ;-) (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) Waivers have been available for over 13 years. There is no requirement that any radio amateur actually use Morse code. Radio amateurs use it by choice. Justification for it NOT to be a requirement. Perhaps. Yet NCVEC did not pursue that line of reasoning, which could be a very powerful argument. Instead, they wrote as if they want code USE by hams to go away. But the petition claims that hams ONLY use it because of the test requirement. That's just not true. (Do we all know what requirement means? :-) ) The whole world wonders. Written tests are a burden to the applicants, too. Are you advocating no license testing at all? Nope. Just the opposite. How about no licenses? Nope, just the opposite. Having to fill out the paperwork is a burden too! Exactly. And it turns away some people. (I am not advocating dropping the license requirement; just showing that his argument can be taken ad absurdium.) Reductio ad absurdum is a valid technique of showing the validity of a hypothesis. If a hypothesis can be shown to logically lead to a contradiction or absurdity, the hypothesis must be false. However, it should be noted that most of the Commission's enforcement actions for poor and illegal operating practices such as jamming, obscenity/profanity, failure to identify, operation outside of license privileges and failure to heed bandplans are against amateurs using voice modes, not Morse code or digital modes. Profanity, by itself, is illegal? The FCC has never said that. There may be limits and conditions where it's inappropriate, but there have been findings that in some very limited contexts that profanity by itself does NOT cause a violation to have occurred. Doesn't change the basic fact of what I was pointing out: Phone operation generates far more enforcement actions than CW/data operations. Some of these enforcement actions are for behavior that is truly awful, and very embarrassing to the ARS. When I first started out, I recall there was a common philosophy that 'phone operators had to set the highest possible standards of courtesy, respect and operating skill while on the air because anyone and everyone could be listening. That philosphy seems to have become inverted over the years. Following this logic, the written exams should be stripped of anything a licensee does not have an interest in. Does that include having to answer ANY question? :-) Any question the examinee doesn't think is relevant. For example, why should someone who never, ever intends to use voice modes, or who may be physically unable to use them, have to learn about them? Isn't that a burden on them? Why should they have to learn something they'll never, ever use? The NCVEC petition says it's a burden to require a code test to operate voice modes. If that's valid, why isn't it a burden to require questions on voice modes in order to operate CW or data modes? Look at all the written testing a ham has to go through just to operate a manufactured CW rig on 7005 kHz. Why? Some might say "because it supports the basis and purposes of the ARS". The obvious response is "How?" Also, there is no requirement that each amateur support the basis and purposes of the ARS in any way other than following the rules. What it all boils down to is that except for some very basic rules, regulations and safety considerations, most of the test requirements for an amateur license come down to somebody's opinion about what should be tested. Opinion and nothing more. This proposal simply drops Element 1 without making any other changes. Oddly enough, if it were adopted, Technicians would gain a bit of 10 meter SSB. Most of the privileges Technicians would gain would be slices of 80, 40, 15 and 10 meter CW. I don't see a problem with that. What's your problem with it? It's incomplete. It looks like the NCVEC had blinders on. Do you really think that the very best we can do for entry-level HF privileges for new hams in a nocodetest 21st century future is to give them tiny slices of CW on four bands and SSB on one band, and at the same time give them all of amateur VHF/UHF? Is that really what's best for the ARS? This petition is meant to address the change in international agreement dropping the code requirement as a license prerequisite and NOTHING MORE. They're not out to overhaul the entire service; just this one part. Which means FCC may do the whole NPRM cycle again for just that. Why not do something a little more comprehensive? Will the FCC be flooded with followup petitions? Probably. Carl, WK3C, has said here that's not the way to go. I agree with him. Are we both wrong? At least they're doing it in a way that has no impact on the rest of it. If you want to mess with the mandated bandplans, file your own petition. Bandplans are voluntary. Subbands are part of the rules. I say the subbands could use some work. Let's see....3500-3575, CW only. 3575-3675, data and CW. 3675-3725, Data modes including digital voice, and CW. 3725-4000, phone.... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, N2EY wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message .org... On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, N2EY wrote: .... Along with CW in many places come some of the digital operating modes (at least on HF) - and those too need protection from voice. "Many places"? Try "everywhere". CW has no exclusive subbands except for those two on the bottom of 6 and 2. CW has to share every bit of non-phone HF/MF space with data modes. In a nocodetest future, that should change. I said "many places" because it is NOT true for 6m and 2m. "Everywhere" is wrong. I chose my words carefully here, and your carelessness has introduced error. The petition talks about technically knowledgeable people and new modes and technologies. On HF, that stuff is almost exclusively happening in the CW/data subbands. Unless you count "single wideband" as a progressive new mode.... PS: I haven't significantly used code since I passed it on the exam for my license, nor do I plan to. That's fine. There's a bunch of modes I had to learn about for the tests that I haven't used significantly, if at all, since I passed the test. Nor do I plan to. A lot of hams, including me, use Morse very significantly. The NCVEC petition talks as if we code-using hams don't exist. (If you look me up, you'll know that I have at least 13wpm because I held an Advanced as my prior license class from 10 years ago.) How do I know you didn't get the Advanced via medical waiver? ;-) (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) Waivers have been available for over 13 years. Because if I had used the medical waiver procedure, I would have been an Extra back then..... I passed all the written elements in 1992 (3 in one session), but didn't get 20wpm within a year (but got 13, and element 4B expired). The ease of element 4B back then should have clued you in.... There is no requirement that any radio amateur actually use Morse code. Radio amateurs use it by choice. Justification for it NOT to be a requirement. Perhaps. Yet NCVEC did not pursue that line of reasoning, which could be a very powerful argument. Instead, they wrote as if they want code USE by hams to go away. But the petition claims that hams ONLY use it because of the test requirement. That's just not true. Their involvement is with testing, not operating.... (Do we all know what requirement means? :-) ) The whole world wonders. Written tests are a burden to the applicants, too. Are you advocating no license testing at all? Nope. Just the opposite. How about no licenses? Nope, just the opposite. Having to fill out the paperwork is a burden too! Exactly. And it turns away some people. (I am not advocating dropping the license requirement; just showing that his argument can be taken ad absurdium.) Reductio ad absurdum is a valid technique of showing the validity of a hypothesis. If a hypothesis can be shown to logically lead to a contradiction or absurdity, the hypothesis must be false. ....But only if it's clear that's what you're doing. There are some on this group for which such is beyond their comprehension. However, it should be noted that most of the Commission's enforcement actions for poor and illegal operating practices such as jamming, obscenity/profanity, failure to identify, operation outside of license privileges and failure to heed bandplans are against amateurs using voice modes, not Morse code or digital modes. Profanity, by itself, is illegal? The FCC has never said that. There may be limits and conditions where it's inappropriate, but there have been findings that in some very limited contexts that profanity by itself does NOT cause a violation to have occurred. Doesn't change the basic fact of what I was pointing out: Phone operation generates far more enforcement actions than CW/data operations. Some of these enforcement actions are for behavior that is truly awful, and very embarrassing to the ARS. When I first started out, I recall there was a common philosophy that 'phone operators had to set the highest possible standards of courtesy, respect and operating skill while on the air because anyone and everyone could be listening. That philosphy seems to have become inverted over the years. Apparently, you've never been to Southern California. There were times where one could count the violations on our "animal farm" repeater - and sometimes the number of violations per minute would exceed the number of seconds in a minute. Most of those misfits are still licensed. Watch out HF - here they come! Following this logic, the written exams should be stripped of anything a licensee does not have an interest in. Does that include having to answer ANY question? :-) Any question the examinee doesn't think is relevant. For example, why should someone who never, ever intends to use voice modes, or who may be physically unable to use them, have to learn about them? Isn't that a burden on them? Why should they have to learn something they'll never, ever use? So, if I don't think any question is relevant, I can dispose of the entire test? :-) The NCVEC petition says it's a burden to require a code test to operate voice modes. If that's valid, why isn't it a burden to require questions on voice modes in order to operate CW or data modes? Look at all the written testing a ham has to go through just to operate a manufactured CW rig on 7005 kHz. Why? They had to offer some justification. Some might say "because it supports the basis and purposes of the ARS". The obvious response is "How?" Also, there is no requirement that each amateur support the basis and purposes of the ARS in any way other than following the rules. What it all boils down to is that except for some very basic rules, regulations and safety considerations, most of the test requirements for an amateur license come down to somebody's opinion about what should be tested. Opinion and nothing more. And if the FCC didn't like that, then they'd take testing back and do it themselves. This proposal simply drops Element 1 without making any other changes. Oddly enough, if it were adopted, Technicians would gain a bit of 10 meter SSB. Most of the privileges Technicians would gain would be slices of 80, 40, 15 and 10 meter CW. I don't see a problem with that. What's your problem with it? It's incomplete. It looks like the NCVEC had blinders on. I disagree. They aren't looking to refarm the service; just take "one bite from the apple." (It may be the first bite, but not the last.) Perhaps they believe in taking SMALL steps and seeing what happens. Alternatively, since their involvement is with testing, perhaps that's all they felt they could justify. Do you really think that the very best we can do for entry-level HF privileges for new hams in a nocodetest 21st century future is to give them tiny slices of CW on four bands and SSB on one band, and at the same time give them all of amateur VHF/UHF? Is that really what's best for the ARS? I don't pretend to speak for what is best for the entire service. I've posted my thoughts about licensing elsewhere. This petition is meant to address the change in international agreement dropping the code requirement as a license prerequisite and NOTHING MORE. They're not out to overhaul the entire service; just this one part. Which means FCC may do the whole NPRM cycle again for just that. Why not do something a little more comprehensive? Will the FCC be flooded with followup petitions? Probably. Carl, WK3C, has said here that's not the way to go. I agree with him. Are we both wrong? At least they're doing it in a way that has no impact on the rest of it. If you want to mess with the mandated bandplans, file your own petition. Bandplans are voluntary. Subbands are part of the rules. I say the subbands could use some work. Let's see....3500-3575, CW only. 3575-3675, data and CW. 3675-3725, Data modes including digital voice, and CW. 3725-4000, phone.... Actually, bandplans aren't voluntary if someone can be cited for not following them (and that has happened). If they were clearly voluntary, then such a citation would be defeated (at least, defeatable) in an agency hearing. |
"N2EY" wrote in message om... Do you really think that the very best we can do for entry-level HF privileges for new hams in a nocodetest 21st century future is to give them tiny slices of CW on four bands and SSB on one band, and at the same time give them all of amateur VHF/UHF? Is that really what's best for the ARS? No reason to give the Techs any more than what the current coded Techs get. If they want more, they can take the General written. It's only slightly harder than the Tech test. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:58:16 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:
What it all boils down to is that except for some very basic rules, regulations and safety considerations, most of the test requirements for an amateur license come down to somebody's opinion about what should be tested. Opinion and nothing more. And if the FCC didn't like that, then they'd take testing back and do it themselves. Thus substituting the judgment of the Chief,. Licensing and Rxamination Branch (the guy - yes, one individual - who used to make up the tests) for the judgment of the Question Pool Committee. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Phil Kane wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:58:16 GMT, D. Stussy wrote: What it all boils down to is that except for some very basic rules, regulations and safety considerations, most of the test requirements for an amateur license come down to somebody's opinion about what should be tested. Opinion and nothing more. And if the FCC didn't like that, then they'd take testing back and do it themselves. Thus substituting the judgment of the Chief,. Licensing and Rxamination Branch (the guy - yes, one individual - who used to make up the tests) for the judgment of the Question Pool Committee. That may be true. I never said it was a good idea. I only said that it's the government's option, good or bad. |
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Dick Carroll; wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote: Apparently, you've never been to Southern California. There were times where one could count the violations on our "animal farm" repeater - and sometimes the number of violations per minute would exceed the number of seconds in a minute. Most of those misfits are still licensed. Watch out HF - here they come! Yep, just as they came to VHF/UHF ham radio from the never-never land of 27 mhz via a no-code (and virtualy no-test) ham radio license. Seems like the FCC just doesn't care, or they'd never allow it. There's one and ONLY one reason why the So CA amateur community allows it - it keeps them off the rest of the repeaters! :-) |
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, N2EY wrote:
.... There is no requirement that any radio amateur actually use Morse code. Radio amateurs use it by choice. Justification for it NOT to be a requirement. Perhaps. Yet NCVEC did not pursue that line of reasoning, which could be a very powerful argument. Instead, they wrote as if they want code USE by hams to go away. But the petition claims that hams ONLY use it because of the test requirement. That's just not true. Their involvement is with testing, not operating.... Then why talk about how much a mode is used and why? So they can at least APPEAR to justify their position. ... So, if I don't think any question is relevant, I can dispose of the entire test? :-) That's the ad absurdum that the NECVEC argument leads to. But they didn't say that, nor does it necessarily lead all readers to that conclusion.... It's incomplete. It looks like the NCVEC had blinders on. I disagree. They aren't looking to refarm the service; just take "one bite from the apple." (It may be the first bite, but not the last.) Then it's sloppy. Or dishonest. I disagree - neither sloppy nor dishonest. It's all that their function could justify - and perhaps all that they really care about. Changing the bandplans or anything else to have to do with morse code they simply leave for others, because it's outside their little world. |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... PETITION FOR RULE MAKING The National Conference of Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (NCVEC) is the umbrella organization comprised of the fourteen organizations charged since 1984, under Section 97.519(a) of the rules of the Federal Communications Commission, 47 CFR 97.519(a) to develop and administer all Amateur Radio operator license testing and to electronically file all successful license applications with the FCC. In total, the VECs and their more than 30,000 VE teams have collectively administered nearly two million examinations during the past twenty years and have notified the FCC to issue approximately a million new and upgraded Amateur Radio licenses. The NCVEC is not, however, an organization where the VECs are elected, or where individual VE opinions were gathered or solicited. So? Your point? Is that something that should call into question the NCVEC as being invalid, illegal, or fattening? Once a year, the various Volunteer Examiner Coordinator organizations meet at their annual conference to discuss the various issues that impact Amateur Radio operator testing. At their July 25, 2003, meeting held with the FCC in Gettysburg, PA, the VECs overwhelmingly agreed that Morse code testing should be immediately ended since it was now possible to do so. It was also noted that countries have already begun discontinuing Morse examinations. As a result the VECs voted to file this Petition asking that the FCC take expedited action to allow them to discontinue administering Element 1, the 5 words-per-minute telegraphy examination as soon as possible. No surprise there. Pursuant to Section 1.405 of the Commission's procedural rules (47 C.F.R. 1.405), the NCVEC hereby respectfully requests that the Commission issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making at an early date looking toward amendment of the rules governing the Amateur Radio Service, 47 C.F.R. 97.1 et seq., as set forth herein and in the attached Appendix. No imagination, either. When dis imagination or, for that matter, creativity have to be part of the filling/process? The rule changes requested herein would terminate the telegraphy examination requirement and permit existing Technician Class operators to access HF spectrum as provided in 47 C.F.R. 97.301(e) without the necessity of passing a Morse code examination. This request to eliminate the Morse code (Element 1) examination does not necessarily have the support of the ARRL Board since they have yet to develop a position on the matter. In support of its petition, NCVEC states as follows: I. Introduction and Background Since the turn of the century, the Morse code, invented by American Samuel Morse and first used in 1844, has been the foundation of early distress and safety communications. Although Morse code (or CW, as it is commonly called) was the primary mode of communications from the late 19th Century through the early 20th Century, it has all but become obsolete in practically all other contemporary communication systems. Due to the emergence of satellite and digital communications, manual telegraphy is no longer used or required in any radio service other than in the Amateur Service. Amateur radio operators, however, use it extensively. On the HF/MF amateur bands, it is the second most popular mode of communications, only slightly behind SSB in popularity. So? Hams also use differnent languages (Engish, Spanish, Chineese, etc.) yet no one is mandated to use or be tested in any language other than that of their "home" country. The Amateur Radio Service is unlike other radio services in its needs and resources. So are you sying amateur radio "needs" morse code testing? If so, the burden of proof hasn't been met as per FCC R&O for 98-143. Radiotelegraphy in the maritime service has been phased out in favor of modern technology. The last vestige of manual telegraphy began being phased out in the maritime service in 1988 when the International Maritime Organization adopted the Global Maritime Distress and Safety System (GMDSS). In the 1990's, countries around the world began closing down their distress 500 kHz calling frequency watch which had been in use since 1912. The final 500 kHz message sent by the U.S. Coast Guard took place from station NMN (Chesapeake Virginia) on April 1, 1995, and they no longer monitor the frequency. Most radio amateurs are not on ships. So the validity of having a trained morse pool even 20 years ago wasn't or shouldn't have been because other services used morse. Interesting, did you make that comment when no-code was first proposed? Even though the commercial world eliminated Morse code as a communications medium many years ago, it has continued on the Amateur bands because manual Morse proficiency was an international Amateur Service requirement when operating on spectrum under 30 MHz. There is no requirement that any radio amateur actually use Morse code. Radio amateurs use it by choice. The statement isn't one of USE, it is based on a prior international requirement...now gone, dead, caput, finito, over. Other services are constrained by considerations of cost, particularly labor cost. They consider elimination of the need for a skilled radio operator to be progress. Amateurs do not. You speak for "all" amateurs? Perhaps you should have said "some" amateurs. In any case, learning morse does have a cost to each and every amateur that does so. I see no reason to "mandate" that cost upfront for access to amateur radio. To most other radio services, radio is but a means to an end, not an end in itself. Amateur radio, by contrast, is radio for its own sake. So? II. Telegraphy requirement in the Amateur Service There are many communications modes and emissions available to the radio amateur and manual CW is just another one that certainly deserves no special priority. The amateur radio operator examination process does not require a practical demonstration in the ability to use any other mode - even though more than a thousand modes and emissions are available to the Amateur Service. Except for single sideband radiotelphony, none of those other modes approaches Morse code in popularity on the amateur bands below 30 MHz. The point still comes back to the fact that NO other mode requires any skill test. It is that simple. The international law previously required unspecified proficiency in the International Morse code when the operation takes place in the medium or high frequency bands. Because of technological advances, this regulation has become inconsistent with the goals of the Amateur Service since it provides a barrier to otherwise qualified individuals who wish to experiment and communicate below 30 MHz. There can be no doubt that the Morse code proficiency requirements have constituted an unnecessary and artificial impediment to fuller use of the Amateur Radio Service for many potential and existing amateurs. The removal of the code test requirement for amateur licenses above 30 MHz has not resulted in a technological revolution in amateur radio on those frequencies. There is no reason to expect one below 30 MHz. I never bought any great significance to that argument either. It appears that the reason that many (no-code) Technician amateurs are not upgrading to license classes that require telegraphy suggests that the Morse code requirement may be a significant barrier. III. Morse code testing is a burden to the applicant It should be noted that while today's personal computers can easily send and receive telegraphy, the international Morse code "sent by hand and received by ear" requirement continued as a worldwide fundamental requirement for an amateur operator license until the recent actions by the International Telecommunications Union. The taking of the telegraphy examination is an unnecessary burden upon the applicant. Experience has shown that it is more often than not a very stressful experience for the examinee. With the elimination of the international requirement for skill in manual telegraphy, there is no longer any reasonable justification for requiring an applicant to demonstrate this antiquated skill. It is one that must be acquired through rote memorization of the character meanings of some 43 combinations of audible dots and dashes: 26 letters of the alphabet, numerals 0 through 9, four punctuation marks and three characters unique to CW. This must be followed by numerous practice sessions until the necessary skill is achieved. Most applicants, once they pass the code exam, never use the mode on the amateur airwaves. And many, perhaps most, could not pass it again if required to do so. Written tests are a burden to the applicants, too. Are YOU proposing an end to written tests? Most radio amateurs do not construct or repair their own equipment, yet they are required to know something about how it works. Because they "can" if they wanted to. If a non-coded ham gets on the air to learn using morse with another ham...what's the probably harm to others and or anyone compared to constructing or repairing equipment themselves? While it continues to serve some amateur operators well, as it did in the early days of radio, it is now but one of many modes available to amateur operators. The lack of interest in CW has turned many prospective amateur operators away from the Amateur Service. IV. Morse proficiency is not an indication of a quality operator Some amateurs believe that the effort and sacrifice needed to learn Morse code indicates a more dedicated and, therefore, a better candidate for Amateur Radio. No evidence exists, however, that supports a relationship between manual telegraphy proficiency and the quality, desirability or motivation of the operator. However, it should be noted that most of the Commission's enforcement actions for poor and illegal operating practices such as jamming, obscenity/profanity, failure to identify, operation outside of license privileges and failure to heed bandplans are against amateurs using voice modes, not Morse code or digital modes. More because saying "FU" via code isn't likly to be listened to by any non-coded ham or non-ham. What the Morse code licensing requirement does do, however, is to greatly reduce the number of applicants operating in the medium and high frequencies. Many people question why an individual with vast knowledge in the electronics field should be excluded from operating on HF spectrum due to a personal disinterest in the Morse code. Continuing the use of Morse code proficiency as a means with which to gauge "quality" or to limit the number of amateur radio operators accessing public spectrum is certainly at odds with the FCC's mandate to promote the wider use of radio and its commitment to the use of emerging technologies. V. Morse proficiency should not be required to operate in the voice mode It appears that most amateurs want to communicate in the voice mode. It makes no sense from a regulatory perspective to require radio amateurs to be Morse proficient when the greater majority of radio amateurs do not desire to use that mode and there is no regulatory reason for them to do so. Since most amateurs do not desire to build their own equipment..... Are you proposing not allowing hams to build their own? The future of Amateur Radio encompasses many modes undreamed of just a few years ago. Although manual telegraphy is a noble part of the Amateur Radio's past, it is no longer the prime emission mode. In short, the Commission should ensure that the amateur examination elements are appropriate for the types of operation that will be performed by the licensee. Following this logic, the written exams should be stripped of anything a licensee does not have an interest in. ZIP - false, since any one subject CAN be ingnored and the test applicant can still pass. Not so with the separate morse test element. VI. An unnecessary burden upon the VEC system The administration of a CW examination imposes an unnecessary burden upon the VE teams who must prepare and administer the CW examinations. It requires extensive preparation and special equipment to prepare and administer properly. It is often disruptive and unsettling to those other examinees who are taking one of the written examinations within the same room. Under 97.507(d), the VEs must prepare and record a series of messages sufficient to preclude any one message from becoming known to the examinees. Each message must contain every one of the 43 telegraphy characters at least once during period of at least 5 minutes. At the prescribed speed of 5 words per minute, and at the prescribed 5 characters per word, the message is little more than 25 words in length. In practice, it is a difficult task to compose a realistic message under these limitations. It is also an unnecessary burden upon the coordinating VECs since most of them also prepare telegraphy examinations for their VE teams. VII. An unnecessary burden upon the amateur service community The amateur service community suffers from the loss to its ranks of a large number of potentially excellent operators who are turned away because of the CW requirement. Either because of lack of the requisite aptitude for sending and receiving CW or because of an unwillingness to spend the time acquiring a skill for which they find of no value to them, they forego becoming amateur operators. Yet the growth in amateur radio from 1990 to 2000, when there were both medical waivers and a nocodetest license, was almost identical to that from 1980 to 1990, when all amateur licenses required code tests and there were no waivers.. Again, I don't care about or argue the growth side of it. VIII. An unnecessary burden upon the FCC Now that the international (treaty) Morse code requirement is optional, the FCC can expect to receive numerous requests for waivers of the Morse code examination due to applicant hearing and other medical conditions in order to be compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Yet it was not compliance with the ADA that resulted in medical waivers for the 13 and 20 wpm code tests. If it hadn't happened otherwise, the ADA would have entered the picture by now. When there were multiple code tests, the FCC cited the international (treaty) requirement, as the reason that the five word-per-minute code test could not be waived. This case no longer applies and the FCC will have to develop procedures to guide both themselves and the VECs/VEs in handling requests for code exam waivers that are certain to come. Dealing with requests for a waiver of the code exam could create an unnecessary burden on the FCC and VECs/VEs and consume an excessive amount of time and resources. It seems illogical to require all amateur examinees to pass a requirement that could be waived by the actions of a physician. History has shown that physician-initiated waiver requests have been very controversial in the Amateur Service. By this logic, the written tests will also be a target of waiver actions. For example, profoundly deaf people are currently required to study for exams which include numerous questions on SSB and other voice modes even though there is little chance they will ever use those modes. Pure speculation and, IMHO, not likly to ever happen. IX. World Administrative Radio Conference 2003 The only changes made to the international Amateur Service regulations over the last 75 years concern the frequency above which amateurs may operate without Morse testing. At their Washington, DC conference in 1927, the ITU (then called the International Telegraph Union) allocated frequency bands to the various radio services and established operating guidelines and operator qualifications. It was deemed important that Amateurs prove an ability to transmit and receive communications in Morse signals since, at the time, radiotelegraphy was the primary means of long range communication. Since then, the administrations comprising International Telecommunication Union have reviewed and voted to relax the Amateur Service's mandatory Morse proficiency requirement at every international conference capable of doing so. In 1947 (Atlantic City), the ITU agreed that Morse proficiency should only be required when the operation took place on frequencies below 1000 MHz (1 GHz.) At WARC-59, the 1959 World Administrative Radio Conference, this level dropped to 144 MHz. A further reduction was made at WARC-79 to 30 MHz. Consequently, up until recently, Article S25.5 3 read: 25.5 3. 1) Any person seeking a license to operate the apparatus of an amateur station shall prove that he is able to send correctly by hand and to receive correctly by ear, texts in Morse code signals. The administrations concerned may, however, waive this requirement in the case of stations making use exclusively of frequencies above 30 MHz. At WRC-2003, the international Radio Regulation Article S25.5 3 was revised to make the Morse code testing requirement a matter for each licensing administration to decide for itself. Effective July 5, 2003, Article S25.5 3 reads: 25.5 3. 1) Administrations shall determine whether or not a person seeking a license to operate an amateur station shall demonstrate the ability to send and receive texts in Morse code signals. X. Summary of NCVEC proposal to end Morse testing The attached appendix contains a list of the rules that must be amended if Morse code examinations are to be discontinued. These amendments propose merely to end the manual telegraphy examination and to permit Technician Class operators the same frequency privileges as those enjoyed by Technician Class operators who have passed a code exam. Therefore, the foregoing considered, NCVEC, the National Conference of Volunteer Examiner Coordinators, respectfully requests that the Commission issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making at any early date, proposing the rule changes set forth herein, and in the appendix attached hereto. Respectfully submitted, NCVEC, National Conference of VECs P.O. Box 565101, Dallas, Texas 75356 This proposal simply drops Element 1 without making any other changes. Oddly enough, if it were adopted, Technicians would gain a bit of 10 meter SSB. Most of the privileges Technicians would gain would be slices of 80, 40, 15 and 10 meter CW. Start simple...then, if it makes sense, look at the overall licensing levels, etc. Makes sense to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
In article , "Bill Sohl"
writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... PETITION FOR RULE MAKING The National Conference of Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (NCVEC) is the umbrella organization comprised of the fourteen organizations charged since 1984, under Section 97.519(a) of the rules of the Federal Communications Commission, 47 CFR 97.519(a) to develop and administer all Amateur Radio operator license testing and to electronically file all successful license applications with the FCC. In total, the VECs and their more than 30,000 VE teams have collectively administered nearly two million examinations during the past twenty years and have notified the FCC to issue approximately a million new and upgraded Amateur Radio licenses. The NCVEC is not, however, an organization where the VECs are elected, or where individual VE opinions were gathered or solicited. So? Your point? Is that something that should call into question the NCVEC as being invalid, illegal, or fattening? The point is that the petition is NOT necessarily the opinion of the majority of VEs or VECs. It was cooked up by a few of the top guys, who were not elected. Once a year, the various Volunteer Examiner Coordinator organizations meet at their annual conference to discuss the various issues that impact Amateur Radio operator testing. At their July 25, 2003, meeting held with the FCC in Gettysburg, PA, the VECs overwhelmingly agreed that Morse code testing should be immediately ended since it was now possible to do so. It was also noted that countries have already begun discontinuing Morse examinations. As a result the VECs voted to file this Petition asking that the FCC take expedited action to allow them to discontinue administering Element 1, the 5 words-per-minute telegraphy examination as soon as possible. No surprise there. Pursuant to Section 1.405 of the Commission's procedural rules (47 C.F.R. 1.405), the NCVEC hereby respectfully requests that the Commission issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making at an early date looking toward amendment of the rules governing the Amateur Radio Service, 47 C.F.R. 97.1 et seq., as set forth herein and in the attached Appendix. No imagination, either. When dis imagination or, for that matter, creativity have to be part of the filling/process? When someone truly has the interests of the ARS in mind, they will look at the complete picture rather than take a narrow view. This is particularly important in dealing with FCC because we have seen how long it takes them to do an amateur service NPRM cycle. The rule changes requested herein would terminate the telegraphy examination requirement and permit existing Technician Class operators to access HF spectrum as provided in 47 C.F.R. 97.301(e) without the necessity of passing a Morse code examination. This request to eliminate the Morse code (Element 1) examination does not necessarily have the support of the ARRL Board since they have yet to develop a position on the matter. In support of its petition, NCVEC states as follows: I. Introduction and Background Since the turn of the century, the Morse code, invented by American Samuel Morse and first used in 1844, has been the foundation of early distress and safety communications. Although Morse code (or CW, as it is commonly called) was the primary mode of communications from the late 19th Century through the early 20th Century, it has all but become obsolete in practically all other contemporary communication systems. Due to the emergence of satellite and digital communications, manual telegraphy is no longer used or required in any radio service other than in the Amateur Service. Amateur radio operators, however, use it extensively. On the HF/MF amateur bands, it is the second most popular mode of communications, only slightly behind SSB in popularity. So? So it makes sense that the things that should be tested for an amateur radio license should be derived from what hams actually do, rather than what other services do. Would you support questions on multiplex stereo FM on the ham test? That mode is widely used in the broadcast service. Hams also use differnent languages (Engish, Spanish, Chineese, etc.) yet no one is mandated to use or be tested in any language other than that of their "home" country. How many US hams regularly use a language other than English on the ham bands? Betcha it's far, far below the number using Morse/CW. The Amateur Radio Service is unlike other radio services in its needs and resources. So are you sying amateur radio "needs" morse code testing? If so, the burden of proof hasn't been met as per FCC R&O for 98-143. All I'm saying is that comparisons with other services are meaningless because the ARS is completely different. Radiotelegraphy in the maritime service has been phased out in favor of modern technology. The last vestige of manual telegraphy began being phased out in the maritime service in 1988 when the International Maritime Organization adopted the Global Maritime Distress and Safety System (GMDSS). In the 1990's, countries around the world began closing down their distress 500 kHz calling frequency watch which had been in use since 1912. The final 500 kHz message sent by the U.S. Coast Guard took place from station NMN (Chesapeake Virginia) on April 1, 1995, and they no longer monitor the frequency. Most radio amateurs are not on ships. So the validity of having a trained morse pool even 20 years ago wasn't or shouldn't have been because other services used morse. The validity of the "trained pool" argument depends on what you mean by "trained". There's a lot more to it than a 5 wpm code test. Interesting, did you make that comment when no-code was first proposed? When was that? 1975? Even though the commercial world eliminated Morse code as a communications medium many years ago, it has continued on the Amateur bands because manual Morse proficiency was an international Amateur Service requirement when operating on spectrum under 30 MHz. There is no requirement that any radio amateur actually use Morse code. Radio amateurs use it by choice. The statement isn't one of USE, it is based on a prior international requirement...now gone, dead, caput, finito, over. The NCVEC statement does indeed say that the USE of Morse has continued because of the TEST. It gives no other reason. Here's the statement again: "Even though the commercial world eliminated Morse code as a communications medium many years ago, it has continued on the Amateur bands because manual Morse proficiency was an international Amateur Service requirement when operating on spectrum under 30 MHz." The word "it" refers to "Morse code as a communications medium" in the above sentence. NCVEC is saying that hams continue to USE Morse because of the TEST. That's just plain not true. Other services are constrained by considerations of cost, particularly labor cost. They consider elimination of the need for a skilled radio operator to be progress. Amateurs do not. You speak for "all" amateurs? Yes. Do you think hams want to be eliminated? Perhaps you should have said "some" amateurs. Perhaps there are a few who want to be eliminated, but not many. The point is that for other services radio is a means to an end. To hams it's an end in itself. In any case, learning morse does have a cost to each and every amateur that does so. I see no reason to "mandate" that cost upfront for access to amateur radio. Your opinion, very reasonably stated and noted. To most other radio services, radio is but a means to an end, not an end in itself. Amateur radio, by contrast, is radio for its own sake. So? So amateur radio should not be judged nor structured the way other services are. II. Telegraphy requirement in the Amateur Service There are many communications modes and emissions available to the radio amateur and manual CW is just another one that certainly deserves no special priority. The amateur radio operator examination process does not require a practical demonstration in the ability to use any other mode - even though more than a thousand modes and emissions are available to the Amateur Service. Except for single sideband radiotelphony, none of those other modes approaches Morse code in popularity on the amateur bands below 30 MHz. The point still comes back to the fact that NO other mode requires any skill test. It is that simple. No other mode requires the acquisition of skills the average person is not likely to have in order to use it. The international law previously required unspecified proficiency in the International Morse code when the operation takes place in the medium or high frequency bands. Because of technological advances, this regulation has become inconsistent with the goals of the Amateur Service since it provides a barrier to otherwise qualified individuals who wish to experiment and communicate below 30 MHz. There can be no doubt that the Morse code proficiency requirements have constituted an unnecessary and artificial impediment to fuller use of the Amateur Radio Service for many potential and existing amateurs. The removal of the code test requirement for amateur licenses above 30 MHz has not resulted in a technological revolution in amateur radio on those frequencies. There is no reason to expect one below 30 MHz. I never bought any great significance to that argument either. Yet it has been made repeatedly in the past, and is made several times in the NCVEC petition. What does it matter if someone is a Ph.D in EE, has a bunch of patents, etc., etc., if all they're going to do as a ham is work SSB DX with a manufactured transceiver and antenna? It appears that the reason that many (no-code) Technician amateurs are not upgrading to license classes that require telegraphy suggests that the Morse code requirement may be a significant barrier. III. Morse code testing is a burden to the applicant It should be noted that while today's personal computers can easily send and receive telegraphy, the international Morse code "sent by hand and received by ear" requirement continued as a worldwide fundamental requirement for an amateur operator license until the recent actions by the International Telecommunications Union. The taking of the telegraphy examination is an unnecessary burden upon the applicant. Experience has shown that it is more often than not a very stressful experience for the examinee. With the elimination of the international requirement for skill in manual telegraphy, there is no longer any reasonable justification for requiring an applicant to demonstrate this antiquated skill. It is one that must be acquired through rote memorization of the character meanings of some 43 combinations of audible dots and dashes: 26 letters of the alphabet, numerals 0 through 9, four punctuation marks and three characters unique to CW. This must be followed by numerous practice sessions until the necessary skill is achieved. Most applicants, once they pass the code exam, never use the mode on the amateur airwaves. And many, perhaps most, could not pass it again if required to do so. Written tests are a burden to the applicants, too. Are YOU proposing an end to written tests? Nope. Just the opposite. Most radio amateurs do not construct or repair their own equipment, yet they are required to know something about how it works. Because they "can" if they wanted to. BINGO! So since a ham can operate Morse if he/she wants to, why is it unreasonable to have a basic Morse test? There are probably far more US hams using Morse today (by choice) than there are US hams today using homebrew stations (by choice). Of course there are some like me who use Morse with a homebrew station... If a non-coded ham gets on the air to learn using morse with another ham...what's the probably harm to others and or anyone compared to constructing or repairing equipment themselves? Depends on the situation. I can tell you, however, that the knoweldge required to pass all of the writtens is only a small subset of that needed to homebrew even a simple amateur station. While it continues to serve some amateur operators well, as it did in the early days of radio, it is now but one of many modes available to amateur operators. The lack of interest in CW has turned many prospective amateur operators away from the Amateur Service. IV. Morse proficiency is not an indication of a quality operator Some amateurs believe that the effort and sacrifice needed to learn Morse code indicates a more dedicated and, therefore, a better candidate for Amateur Radio. No evidence exists, however, that supports a relationship between manual telegraphy proficiency and the quality, desirability or motivation of the operator. However, it should be noted that most of the Commission's enforcement actions for poor and illegal operating practices such as jamming, obscenity/profanity, failure to identify, operation outside of license privileges and failure to heed bandplans are against amateurs using voice modes, not Morse code or digital modes. More because saying "FU" via code isn't likly to be listened to by any non-coded ham or non-ham. In 35+ years of mostly-CW amateur radio operation I have NEVER heard anything like that. Have you? What the Morse code licensing requirement does do, however, is to greatly reduce the number of applicants operating in the medium and high frequencies. Many people question why an individual with vast knowledge in the electronics field should be excluded from operating on HF spectrum due to a personal disinterest in the Morse code. Continuing the use of Morse code proficiency as a means with which to gauge "quality" or to limit the number of amateur radio operators accessing public spectrum is certainly at odds with the FCC's mandate to promote the wider use of radio and its commitment to the use of emerging technologies. V. Morse proficiency should not be required to operate in the voice mode It appears that most amateurs want to communicate in the voice mode. It makes no sense from a regulatory perspective to require radio amateurs to be Morse proficient when the greater majority of radio amateurs do not desire to use that mode and there is no regulatory reason for them to do so. Since most amateurs do not desire to build their own equipment..... Are you proposing not allowing hams to build their own? No - just the opposite. But note that NCVEC doesn't see a problem in requiring theory in the writtens because *some* hams *might choose* to homebrew.... The future of Amateur Radio encompasses many modes undreamed of just a few years ago. Although manual telegraphy is a noble part of the Amateur Radio's past, it is no longer the prime emission mode. In short, the Commission should ensure that the amateur examination elements are appropriate for the types of operation that will be performed by the licensee. Following this logic, the written exams should be stripped of anything a licensee does not have an interest in. ZIP - false, since any one subject CAN be ingnored and the test applicant can still pass. Not so with the separate morse test element. That depends on what you mean by a "subject". If you define a "subject" narrowly, that's true. But not if you define it as, say, "theory". VI. An unnecessary burden upon the VEC system The administration of a CW examination imposes an unnecessary burden upon the VE teams who must prepare and administer the CW examinations. It requires extensive preparation and special equipment to prepare and administer properly. It is often disruptive and unsettling to those other examinees who are taking one of the written examinations within the same room. Under 97.507(d), the VEs must prepare and record a series of messages sufficient to preclude any one message from becoming known to the examinees. Each message must contain every one of the 43 telegraphy characters at least once during period of at least 5 minutes. At the prescribed speed of 5 words per minute, and at the prescribed 5 characters per word, the message is little more than 25 words in length. In practice, it is a difficult task to compose a realistic message under these limitations. It is also an unnecessary burden upon the coordinating VECs since most of them also prepare telegraphy examinations for their VE teams. VII. An unnecessary burden upon the amateur service community The amateur service community suffers from the loss to its ranks of a large number of potentially excellent operators who are turned away because of the CW requirement. Either because of lack of the requisite aptitude for sending and receiving CW or because of an unwillingness to spend the time acquiring a skill for which they find of no value to them, they forego becoming amateur operators. Yet the growth in amateur radio from 1990 to 2000, when there were both medical waivers and a nocodetest license, was almost identical to that from 1980 to 1990, when all amateur licenses required code tests and there were no waivers.. Again, I don't care about or argue the growth side of it. If we drop the code test and don't get lots more new hams, then Element 1 wasn't really a barrier or burden. QED VIII. An unnecessary burden upon the FCC Now that the international (treaty) Morse code requirement is optional, the FCC can expect to receive numerous requests for waivers of the Morse code examination due to applicant hearing and other medical conditions in order to be compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Yet it was not compliance with the ADA that resulted in medical waivers for the 13 and 20 wpm code tests. If it hadn't happened otherwise, the ADA would have entered the picture by now. I disagree. But we can't dig up a dead King and ask him. When there were multiple code tests, the FCC cited the international (treaty) requirement, as the reason that the five word-per-minute code test could not be waived. This case no longer applies and the FCC will have to develop procedures to guide both themselves and the VECs/VEs in handling requests for code exam waivers that are certain to come. Dealing with requests for a waiver of the code exam could create an unnecessary burden on the FCC and VECs/VEs and consume an excessive amount of time and resources. It seems illogical to require all amateur examinees to pass a requirement that could be waived by the actions of a physician. History has shown that physician-initiated waiver requests have been very controversial in the Amateur Service. By this logic, the written tests will also be a target of waiver actions. For example, profoundly deaf people are currently required to study for exams which include numerous questions on SSB and other voice modes even though there is little chance they will ever use those modes. Pure speculation and, IMHO, not likly to ever happen. But it logically proceeds from the argument that people shouldn't have to learn stuff they won't use. IX. World Administrative Radio Conference 2003 The only changes made to the international Amateur Service regulations over the last 75 years concern the frequency above which amateurs may operate without Morse testing. At their Washington, DC conference in 1927, the ITU (then called the International Telegraph Union) allocated frequency bands to the various radio services and established operating guidelines and operator qualifications. It was deemed important that Amateurs prove an ability to transmit and receive communications in Morse signals since, at the time, radiotelegraphy was the primary means of long range communication. Since then, the administrations comprising International Telecommunication Union have reviewed and voted to relax the Amateur Service's mandatory Morse proficiency requirement at every international conference capable of doing so. In 1947 (Atlantic City), the ITU agreed that Morse proficiency should only be required when the operation took place on frequencies below 1000 MHz (1 GHz.) At WARC-59, the 1959 World Administrative Radio Conference, this level dropped to 144 MHz. A further reduction was made at WARC-79 to 30 MHz. Consequently, up until recently, Article S25.5 3 read: 25.5 3. 1) Any person seeking a license to operate the apparatus of an amateur station shall prove that he is able to send correctly by hand and to receive correctly by ear, texts in Morse code signals. The administrations concerned may, however, waive this requirement in the case of stations making use exclusively of frequencies above 30 MHz. At WRC-2003, the international Radio Regulation Article S25.5 3 was revised to make the Morse code testing requirement a matter for each licensing administration to decide for itself. Effective July 5, 2003, Article S25.5 3 reads: 25.5 3. 1) Administrations shall determine whether or not a person seeking a license to operate an amateur station shall demonstrate the ability to send and receive texts in Morse code signals. X. Summary of NCVEC proposal to end Morse testing The attached appendix contains a list of the rules that must be amended if Morse code examinations are to be discontinued. These amendments propose merely to end the manual telegraphy examination and to permit Technician Class operators the same frequency privileges as those enjoyed by Technician Class operators who have passed a code exam. Therefore, the foregoing considered, NCVEC, the National Conference of Volunteer Examiner Coordinators, respectfully requests that the Commission issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making at any early date, proposing the rule changes set forth herein, and in the appendix attached hereto. Respectfully submitted, NCVEC, National Conference of VECs P.O. Box 565101, Dallas, Texas 75356 This proposal simply drops Element 1 without making any other changes. Oddly enough, if it were adopted, Technicians would gain a bit of 10 meter SSB. Most of the privileges Technicians would gain would be slices of 80, 40, 15 and 10 meter CW. Start simple...then, if it makes sense, look at the overall licensing levels, etc. Makes sense to me. At that rate and the typical FCC NPRM cycle, a couple decades should do it. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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