What makes you all better operators it HAS been removed, so if you do not
like it why don't you take up knitting or something. or stop all the
bickering If the truth is known a lot of us have come up from the CB ranks
over the years

--

"Derek" wrote in message
...

What makes you all better operators it HAS been removed, so if you do not
like it why don't you take up knitting or something. or stop all the
bickering If the truth is known a lot of us have come up from the CB ranks
over the years

--





I know a lot of ex CBers, now HAMS that are excellent CW operators. In fact
WORLD CLASS CW Operators. So your logic is flawed.

Dan/W4NTI

In article , "Derek"
writes:

What makes you all better operators it HAS been removed, so if you do not
like it why don't you take up knitting or something. or stop all the
bickering If the truth is known a lot of us have come up from the CB ranks
over the years

Gee, I guess "Derek" has a point! I was a CB'er for a whole six months --
and that was seven years before I became a ham! However, "Derek,"
I'm not going away! You're going to have to deal with me and those like
me from now on! So don't get any ideas about being "equal" to your
20 WPM code tested, Extra-class SUPERIORS!!!

73 de Larry, K3LT
This is way too easy...

Superiors My arse, Morse code does not make you a better opperator, I did
learn it back in 1986 up to 12 words a min but due to family probs could not
take the test.
So why not give the newcomers a helping hand instead of slagging them off
all the time, Just REMEMBER you was new to the hobby ONCE


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Derek"
writes:

What makes you all better operators it HAS been removed, so if you do not
like it why don't you take up knitting or something. or stop all the
bickering If the truth is known a lot of us have come up from the CB
ranks
over the years

Gee, I guess "Derek" has a point! I was a CB'er for a whole six months --
and that was seven years before I became a ham! However, "Derek,"
I'm not going away! You're going to have to deal with me and those like
me from now on! So don't get any ideas about being "equal" to your
20 WPM code tested, Extra-class SUPERIORS!!!

73 de Larry, K3LT
This is way too easy...

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Derek"
writes:

Superiors My arse, Morse code does not make you a better opperator, I did
learn it back in 1986 up to 12 words a min but due to family probs could
not
take the test.

Derek:

Another excuse. The "family problems" excuse -- one of the all-time
favourites.

So why not give the newcomers a helping hand instead of slagging them
off
all the time, Just REMEMBER you was new to the hobby ONCE

Yes, I was. And I was definitely NOT "welcomed" with open arms, offered
tea and crumpet, and made to feel at home at my first few radio club
meetings. In fact, several times I was actually asked what the he** I was
doing there. However, I persisted, gained acceptance by showing my
willingness to learn and advance, and most importantly, I didn't make
excuses for my lack of progress, even though I saw lots of other hams,
usually the life-long Technicians who could never get beyond 5 WPM
code, doing precisely that. I was also able to convince a few of these
complainers that they could learn the code beyond 5 WPM, but that
took a committment to become a CW operator and not just a phone
yakker.

73 de Larry, K3LT
Ex: G0LYW



Larry had to start his own club...

Kim W5TIT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

"Derek" writes:

So why not give the newcomers a helping hand
instead of slagging them off all the time, Just
REMEMBER you was new to the hobby ONCE.

Yes, I was. And I was definitely NOT "welcomed"
with open arms, offered tea and crumpet, and
made to feel at home at my first few radio club
meetings. In fact, several times I was actually
asked what the he** I was doing there. (snip)


Were you publicly ridiculed, Larry? Did people sit around those club
meetings you went to talking about how superior they were and how inferior
your were? I strongly suspect anything they said to you or about you can't
possibly compare to the negative garbage you've posted in this newsgroup
about today's newcomers.

At this point, newcomers aren't asking to be welcomed with open arms -
that appears to be far too much to ask in this community. Instead, we're
simply asking you to tone down the hateful rhetoric.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Derek" wrote in message ...
What makes you all better operators it HAS been removed, so if you do not
like it why don't you take up knitting or something. or stop all the
bickering If the truth is known a lot of us have come up from the CB ranks
over the years

Uhhhhhh...Derek, Old Man...it has NOT been "removed".

The text of S25.5 was changed so as to allow specific
administrations to determine wether or not to require code testing.

As of today it is still the law of the land in the United States,
and shall continue to be so until the FCC acts on the pending
petitions to remove it. I have no doubt it will be removed, but the
rulemaking process must and will be followed.

And rather than "take up knitting", may I recommend a remedial
English Composition course for you?

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dwight Stewart
writes:

I strongly suspect anything they said to you or about you can't
possibly compare to the negative garbage you've posted in this newsgroup
about today's newcomers.

Dwight:

Oh, you mean the TRUTH? Sorry if it's so inconvenient for you!

At this point, newcomers aren't asking to be welcomed with open arms -
that appears to be far too much to ask in this community. Instead, we're
simply asking you to tone down the hateful rhetoric.

I see. Now telling the truth about the dumbed-down, technically-
disinclined, skills-challenged individuals now being attracted to ham
radio is considered to be "hateful rhetoric." Typical liberal response.
Yawn! Nothing new here!

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

I see. Now telling the truth about the
dumbed-down, technically-disinclined,
skills-challenged individuals now being
attracted to ham radio is considered to
be "hateful rhetoric." Typical liberal
response. Yawn! Nothing new here!


Larry, you really need to get off the "liberal" nonsense. Your attitudes
about code are more liberal than most and your attitudes towards others are
more akin to that of the deep woods redneck than that of a conservative.

Your desire for government protection of code testing to maintain your
delusions of status is not unlike the liberal seeking protection for welfare
state-like government benefits for other situations.

And, if you don't know what a deep woods redneck is (a deep woods redneck
is not the typical redneck), and how their attitudes are similar to yours,
watch the movie "Deliverance."


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article , Dwight Stewart
writes:


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

I see. Now telling the truth about the
dumbed-down, technically-disinclined,
skills-challenged individuals now being
attracted to ham radio is considered to
be "hateful rhetoric." Typical liberal
response. Yawn! Nothing new here!


Larry, you really need to get off the "liberal" nonsense. Your attitudes
about code are more liberal than most and your attitudes towards others are
more akin to that of the deep woods redneck than that of a conservative.

Dwight:

As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. Liberals want to
have the world handed to them on a silver platter, without having to
work to earn their own way. This is the perfect description of the NCTA --
they want full HF privileges, without being bothered to learn a useful
communications skill like the Morse code. Therefore, they whine about
the code testing requirements, making all their usual strawman
arguments about the code being "obsolete" yada, yada, yada, ad
nauseum, and they've finally been accommodated by the Liberal Elite
at the ARRL and the FCC, who wish not to offend anyone by maintaining
anything like traditional, high standards.

Your desire for government protection of code testing to maintain your
delusions of status is not unlike the liberal seeking protection for welfare
state-like government benefits for other situations.

I'm not an anarchist, Dwight. I believe that government has a role in our
society, and maintaining standards in the ARS, an activity in which
citizens are given the privilege of making use of the valuable and finate
resource known as the RF spectrum, makes sense to me. The
"government protection" whine is just another NCTA strawman. I prefer
to think of it as the government "protecting" the whole ARS, not just
the Morse code and it's testing requirement. This is a valid and
essential role for the government, but one which will undoubtedly be
dropped simply for the convenience of the bureaucrats involved.

And, if you don't know what a deep woods redneck is (a deep woods redneck
is not the typical redneck), and how their attitudes are similar to yours,
watch the movie "Deliverance."

I have been referred to as a "Yankee Redneck," and that is a term which
I feel is probably closer to the truth. Yankees are strong-willed,
independent,
and opinionated people. "Rednecks," of any region, are usually tough,
self-reliant, moral and decent people. Therefore, I'll accept this
description,
while taking exception to the "Deep Woods" angle, since I have all of my
teeth, don't drink homemade corn liquor, and don't have intimate relations
with first cousins. If any of these were true, then I'd be residing in Sussex
County, Delaware, and not Kent County, which is where I live.

73 de Larry, K3LT