"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
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S. Hanrahan wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:38:36 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

The exam does not exclude anyone who cares to make the effort to learn.
And
Farnsworth IS Morse since it relates a letter directly to a sound
without
counting dots and dashes.

Actually the Farnsworth method is Morse Code

It is not.

Only at 20 WPM does Farnsworth and Morse use the same character and word
rate.

Nowhere is there a definition that says the character rate and word rate
MUST be the same for it to be Morse.

Then it's not Morse Code.

There is standard spacing and
Farnsworth spacing and the variety of spacing that you hear on the air.
There are some really fine operators who have near perfect standard spacing
but the rest of us vary. That doesn't mean we aren't sending Morse.

It means that we are desparately trying to, except in the case of
DICK/W0EX who purposely sends poor code in order to thwart the
computer code readers.

Google it up, youi lying sack. I said it's entirely possible to foil computer copy that way. So you convert that
to what you wish I had said, as you so often do.

Sorry, DICK. You said much more than that, and your stated goals in
amateur radio are quite defective.

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:


As someone already said, it all comes together at around 20wpm anyway.
But at slower speeds Farnsworth spacing has definite advantages.

Dick

Dick, I'm the someone who "said" and you constantly claim I know nothing of Morse.

Farnswoth is the preferred method for learning 20wpm Morse Code.

See Brian? You hang out on here with those of us who DO know long enough, and you're bound to
learn some little something.

That's entirely possible.

But what I've learned from you is what a knuckle-head some DICKs are.

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:00:13 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:


Why would you want to foil computer copy?

Because no law says you can't.

For you to do the test to
make sure that it works and then advocate it's use, you can't really
say that wasn't your intention.

What if it was? Nothing you can do about it but learn the code.

On 4 Sep 2003 16:33:17 GMT, "Dick Carroll;" wrote:



Bob Brock wrote:

On 4 Sep 2003 13:46:33 GMT, "Dick Carroll;" wrote:



Brian wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...
S. Hanrahan wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:38:36 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

The exam does not exclude anyone who cares to make the effort to learn.
And
Farnsworth IS Morse since it relates a letter directly to a sound
without
counting dots and dashes.

Actually the Farnsworth method is Morse Code

It is not.

Only at 20 WPM does Farnsworth and Morse use the same character and word
rate.

Nowhere is there a definition that says the character rate and word rate
MUST be the same for it to be Morse.

Then it's not Morse Code.

There is standard spacing and
Farnsworth spacing and the variety of spacing that you hear on the air.
There are some really fine operators who have near perfect standard spacing
but the rest of us vary. That doesn't mean we aren't sending Morse.

It means that we are desparately trying to, except in the case of
DICK/W0EX who purposely sends poor code in order to thwart the
computer code readers.

Google it up, youi lying sack. I said it's entirely possible to foil computer copy that way. So you convert that
to what you wish I had said, as you so often do.

Why would you want to foil computer copy? For you to do the test to
make sure that it works and then advocate it's use, you can't really
say that wasn't your intention.

I can't? Who are you to say even what the subject was? The allegation had been made that a computer does a perfectly
acceptable job of copying Morse code which is of course very inaccurate. My remark was one of many possible reasons
for that fact.

Stuff it, Brock. You'r as ignorant as Brian.

If you send code bad enough, no one can copy it. Your petty attacks
on me go unnoticed. I've been here too long for that petty stuff to
work.

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:22:58 -0700, Jack Twilley
wrote:

In my limited experience, I learn more characters faster with
Farnsworth spacing, but I'm concerned that I'm building a lookup table
instead of reflexes. It's the difference between "dahdidah, hmm,
that's K, dahdah, hmm, that's M" and "dahdidah (K) dahdah (M)". I
learned eight or nine characters with Farnsworth spacing, but I can't
repeat the performance at full speed, so I fear that I'm learning
something that won't be useful if I continue to use Farnsworth
spacing.

Imagine it's like exercising or setting a goal to enter a marathon.

You don't do 500 push-ups, 100 arm curls, and run 26 miles a day. You
work up to that goal of running and finishing the 26 mile Boston
Marathon, a little at a time, 3 days a week.

It can be done. Takes practice, a lot of practice and patience.

My suggestion is, limit yourself to 3 times a day (if you can fit into
your schedule), every day. That will keep from being overwhelmed and
feeling of frustration at least to a minimum.

It took me a little over 6 months to go from nothing to 20 WPM. I
passed the 20 WPM code before I took the General written exam.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
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Actually, I believe there is an ITU-R Recommendation that specifies
the "International Morse Code" in typical ITU detail.


Operative word is recommendation, which is exactly what I said.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Recommendations" can be mandatory, if they are "incorporated
by reference" in the ITU Radio Regulations ... use of "shall" which
means "must" as opposed to "should" which means "is strongly
encouraged, but not strictly mandatory" or "may" which means
"if you feel like it" (more or less).

Don't try to lecture me on regulatory ... that's what I do for a
living (and for a couple of major industry organizations, plus
NCI)

Carl - wk3c

On 05 Sep 2003 03:44:03 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Don't try to lecture me on regulatory ... that's what I do for a
living (and for a couple of major industry organizations, plus
NCI)

Carl - wk3c


Damn, I thought you were some Techno whizz, no wonder it took you over a year
to upgrade.

An alternative theory could be that he has a life and that upgrade
wasn't a priority. Some of us do have lives you know. You do know
that don't you?

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...

You're sorry, all right. NO question about that! A sorry liar!

You're the one not quoting correctly. You're defective.

Bob Brock wrote in message . ..
On 05 Sep 2003 03:44:03 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Don't try to lecture me on regulatory ... that's what I do for a
living (and for a couple of major industry organizations, plus
NCI)

Carl - wk3c


Damn, I thought you were some Techno whizz, no wonder it took you over a year
to upgrade.

An alternative theory could be that he has a life and that upgrade
wasn't a priority. Some of us do have lives you know. You do know
that don't you?

Speaking of no life. Dick is a big-time emergency communicator. Used
to drill 7/8" holes in the rooftops of Missouri's finest. Lives for
the New Madrid earthquake.

But when Hans invited him to join in a QSO using his favorite mode
that he demands everyone else be made to learn, his lame excuse for
not doing so was that he wasn't home at the time. Apparently he can't
go mobile himself.

So much for his emergency skills.

In article , S. Hanrahan
writes:

Imagine it's like exercising or setting a goal to enter a marathon.

You don't do 500 push-ups, 100 arm curls, and run 26 miles a day. You
work up to that goal of running and finishing the 26 mile Boston
Marathon, a little at a time, 3 days a week.

Exactly - but to finish a marathon takes more than 3x a week practice. Your
basic point is valid, though - marathoners don't start out running anything
like the marathon distance or pace. They work up to it over time.

It can be done. Takes practice, a lot of practice and patience.

And the *right* training.

My suggestion is, limit yourself to 3 times a day (if you can fit into
your schedule), every day. That will keep from being overwhelmed and
feeling of frustration at least to a minimum.

I'd say the most important training rule (for both Morse and marathoning) is to
have a consistent schedule that is challenging but not frustrating. And to
realize that not every workout is going to be easy or better than the last one.

73 de Jim, N2EY

(veteran of 2 Philadelphia Independence marathons, 20 or so half marathons, and
more 10 milers, 10Ks, and 5 milers than I can recall right now)