http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter in the number RM-10787, fill out the address
information and upload or type in your comments on
the elimination of morse code testing as a requirement
to operate on HF.


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"Keith" wrote in message
news
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter in the number RM-10787, fill out the address
information and upload or type in your comments on
the elimination of morse code testing as a requirement
to operate on HF.


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The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
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irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's
minds. --Samuel Adams

Thank you so much Keith, here is what I sent.

**************************************

I think the total ellimination of the Morse Code (CW) requirement will prove
detrimental to the Amateur Radio Service. I believe it will make it so easy
for trash to get into the ARS that it will eventually sound like CB Radio.

The testing has already been reduced to multiple guess. The CW test is a
ten question joke. In general you should NOT reduce the requirements ANY
MORE.

I base my comments on over 40 years as a FCC licensed Amateur Radio
Operater, I presently hold a pre give away EXTRA class license.

Thank You for your time.

Daniel L. Jeswald
W4NTI

Yep, Sounds like another one of those maggots that want the bands to
be given to someone else. Thats what happens when the bands are quiet.
The FCC gives them to another radio service. So I guess he would have
his Extra Class with a few less bands to operate soon instead of
letting other legit hams use the band to save it.

I will be here in a few years to hear you complain about the loss of
your bands.

Bye for now!


On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:12:40 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Keith" wrote in message
news
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter in the number RM-10787, fill out the address
information and upload or type in your comments on
the elimination of morse code testing as a requirement
to operate on HF.


--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/
..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's
minds. --Samuel Adams

Thank you so much Keith, here is what I sent.

**************************************

I think the total ellimination of the Morse Code (CW) requirement will prove
detrimental to the Amateur Radio Service. I believe it will make it so easy
for trash to get into the ARS that it will eventually sound like CB Radio.

The testing has already been reduced to multiple guess. The CW test is a
ten question joke. In general you should NOT reduce the requirements ANY
MORE.

I base my comments on over 40 years as a FCC licensed Amateur Radio
Operater, I presently hold a pre give away EXTRA class license.

Thank You for your time.

Daniel L. Jeswald
W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
news:I%v3b.21989
I believe it will make it so easy
for trash to get into the ARS that it will eventually sound like CB Radio.

It's already so easy for trash to get in and turn it
into CB radio. WA8ULX is the poster BOY for
proof of this claim!

73

Keith wrote:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter in the number RM-10787, fill out the address
information and upload or type in your comments on
the elimination of morse code testing as a requirement
to operate on HF.




To see the petition for rule making, go to:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...t=6514683 821
I did that so I could see what I'd be commenting on, and be able to make
a sensible
comment.

Hans:

I am curious why you want the two year "no upgrade" period. I would think
such a rule would greatly reduce the appeal of ham radio. It certainly would
have caused me to spend my time, effort, and money on another hobby.

73

Paul AB0SI


"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
news:c4a6771678b5a0221f9271fbee325279.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org...
"Keith" wrote

The "Class B" license would have an entry-level test (basic
regulations, safety, operating procedures, basic DC and AC
electronics). This class would have full frequency and
mode privileges, power limited to 50W output. The license
would be issued for a period of 10 years, and be non-renewable.
Holders of this license would be required to have 2 years
experience as a licensee ("time in grade") before being
eligible to upgrade to "Class A".

Code is dieing, let it do so with some dignity.
"Trs1" wrote in message
...
Yep, Sounds like another one of those maggots that want the bands to
be given to someone else. Thats what happens when the bands are quiet.
The FCC gives them to another radio service. So I guess he would have
his Extra Class with a few less bands to operate soon instead of
letting other legit hams use the band to save it.

I will be here in a few years to hear you complain about the loss of
your bands.

Bye for now!


On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:12:40 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Keith" wrote in message
news
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter in the number RM-10787, fill out the address
information and upload or type in your comments on
the elimination of morse code testing as a requirement
to operate on HF.


--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/
..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's
minds. --Samuel Adams

Thank you so much Keith, here is what I sent.

**************************************

I think the total ellimination of the Morse Code (CW) requirement will
prove
detrimental to the Amateur Radio Service. I believe it will make it so
easy
for trash to get into the ARS that it will eventually sound like CB
Radio.

The testing has already been reduced to multiple guess. The CW test is a
ten question joke. In general you should NOT reduce the requirements ANY
MORE.

I base my comments on over 40 years as a FCC licensed Amateur Radio
Operater, I presently hold a pre give away EXTRA class license.

Thank You for your time.

Daniel L. Jeswald
W4NTI

" wrote

Hans:

I am curious why you want the two year "no upgrade" period. I would think
such a rule would greatly reduce the appeal of ham radio. It certainly would
have caused me to spend my time, effort, and money on another hobby.


For the same reason that the army doesn't let you "test" directly to
First Sargent from Recruit.

My proposal gives FULL privileges at very modest (but not QRP) power
levels so that a newcomer can learn the ropes right alongside
experienced operators, but at power levels which are safer and also
less likely to trash the band if they overdrive, mistune, or run
defective gear, or make other "newbie" mistakes.

This bears notice --- my proposal doesn't "ghetto-ize" the newcomer to
a few little slices of the band like the current Novice/Tech+
allocations, so the "lack of appeal" isn't restricted operating
privileges, but only a modest power level (and the requirement to
upgrade within 10 years).

73, de Hans, K0HB

Keith wrote in message ink.net...
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter in the number RM-10787, fill out the address
information and upload or type in your comments on
the elimination of morse code testing as a requirement
to operate on HF.

Thanks Keith,

Comments submitted. I hope the FCC is in listening mode. :-)

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI


Egbert C. Craig, Jr. August 29, 2003
WA2SI

Re. RM-10787

To whom it may concern:

Undoubtedly, there will be many comments filed re. this petition.
Therefore, I will be brief and to the point. Although I am not new to
radio and earned my GROL long before my amateur radio license, I am a
relative newcomer to amateur radio. As such, I feel that I can offer
an alternative view to many of the "old timers."

I believe that there is still a very important place for minimal Morse
code proficiency testing in U.S. amateur radio licensing. I've been
told that "proficiency" is the technically correct term, however, I do
not feel 5-wpm represents Morse proficiency. I feel that the current
5-wpm Element 1 test is sufficient to require an individual to learn
the Morse characters so that s/he may then make an educated decision
as to whether or not s/he wishes to pursue CW further.

I would like to dispel two myths that I have repeatedly heard/read in
the argument for dropping Element 1:

· The current Element 1 test acts as a filter to keep out Cbers and
other "insufficiently-dedicated" individuals.
· The current Element 1 test acts as a deterrent to newcomers to the
hobby/service.

Along with being an amateur radio "newbie," I am also a Cber and
Element 1 did not deter me in any way, shape, or form from upgrading
my license class and earning HF privileges. If during the course of
reviewing the comments filed re. RM-10787, this demographic is
referred to while supporting the removal of Element 1, please do not
include me. This "newbie" wholeheartedly supports the retention of
Element 1 testing for the General and Extra license class licenses.

In closing, I would also like to remind those who believe that Morse
code testing serves no "regulatory purpose" in amateur radio that
there is an intangible quality at stake here too. It is part of our
culture and tradition and therefore should not be removed from the
curriculum.

Thank you for your time and attention.


Sincerely,


Egbert C. Craig, Jr.
WA2SI

K0HB wrote:

My proposal gives FULL privileges at very modest (but not QRP) power
levels so that a newcomer can learn the ropes right alongside
experienced operators, but at power levels which are safer and also
less likely to trash the band if they overdrive, mistune, or run
defective gear, or make other "newbie" mistakes.

Sounds good to me. Your proposal was a lot more intelligently written
than mine.

And just an FYI, I've worked all continents on PSK31 with less than 50w
output, so it's not going to seriously handicap an operator. In fact,
it'll probably teach them to operate better because they won't have
higher power to compensate for inexperience.

This bears notice --- my proposal doesn't "ghetto-ize" the newcomer to
a few little slices of the band like the current Novice/Tech+
allocations, so the "lack of appeal" isn't restricted operating
privileges, but only a modest power level (and the requirement to
upgrade within 10 years).

I like it, and the beauty of it is that the NCVEC proposal, if adopted,
doesn't preclude this kind of modification later.

73 de K0OOK

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