"WA8ULX" wrote in message
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No-Code Licenses should come a designator following there Callsign, that
lets
people know there status.
Such as W5TIT-1, or W5TIT-2, that way we will know if they are Mentally
Challenged Operator, or a Lazy Operator, 1 being Mental, 2 being Lazy,
that way
we would know which ones not to talk to.

Not up to date on your history, are you?
most PCTA types LIVE in the past, how odd.

They USE to have no code license designations, starting with "N".
Oops, that was a *fact*.

Clint
KB5ZHT

WA8ULX wrote:
No-Code Licenses should come a designator following there Callsign, that lets
people know there status.
Such as W5TIT-1, or W5TIT-2, that way we will know if they are Mentally
Challenged Operator, or a Lazy Operator, 1 being Mental, 2 being Lazy, that way
we would know which ones not to talk to.

Hmmm ... I've been proudly no-code since upgrading to Technician, then
General, then Advanced back in the 70's. ... after a grand total of *1*
CW contact as a Novice and none since. Yeah, I studied for and passed
the FCC-administered 13wpm code test back then. But, I consider it a
silly little requirement for joining our exclusive little club.

So, I guess that means that I should add a "-2" after my call when I ID,
huh? I'm pretty sure that I'm not "Mental" (though the fact that I'm
actually responding to this post is strong evidence to the contrary)
since I graduated from college with a 4.0 GPA with a major in Computer
Science and a minor in Electronics Engineering Technology.

Don't get me wrong, I highly respect the people who use CW, and I think
it's use should be encouraged. Considering its value, you can hardly do
otherwise. And, yes, I believe that the CW-only portions of the bands
must be preserved.

But, to require it for licensing makes about sense as forcing every
driver's test to be passed in a car with a manual transmission. What's
the point on testing someone on something they may never use again. If,
some day, they see value in it, let them go learn it.

By the way, a few weeks back, I decided that I'm going to hit the books
again and go for Extra before the end of the year. Yeah, it's a silly
pride thing since I'll likely never actually use the little band slivers
that I don't already have with Advanced. Besides, then I'll be able to
step forward publicly with my feelings that Advanced and Extra should go
away ... that an entry level class (Novice?) with low power privileges
in all bands and a higher (General?) license that gives you everything
are all the classes we need. Anything higher, like my Advanced and the
Extra I'll have soon is just vanity. Let the ARRL create awards for
folks who pass tests demonstrating a higher level of technical skill.

-- Bob, KB0GT

What's
the point on testing someone on something they may never use again.

Just like the present written its foolish to take the written test when no
knowlege is required.

By the way, a few weeks back, I decided that I'm going to hit the books
again and go for Extra before the end of the year.

No need to study, go take it now, Im sure you will Ace it, it really is a
JOKE.


Besides, then I'll be able to
step forward publicly with my feelings that Advanced and Extra should go
away ... that an entry level class (Novice?) with low power privileges
in all bands and a higher (General?) license that gives you everything
are all the classes we need.

Oh im sure its coming, I look for just 1 License.

Bob,

This is the model that Canada moved to in the 1990s, and morrors the
CEPT structure to a great degree. We have two categories - Basic and
Advanced. Morse can be added on to either. Basic gets you full
privileges above 30 MHz, with power restrictions (560W PEP on SSB -
not much of a restriction!). Morse adds on full access to all of the
HF bands. Advanced adds on full legal power capability (2,250W PEP),
the ability to build or your own transmitting equipment and operate a
club repeater, be a VE, and a few other goodies. Only one call sign
is issued (exception below...) - it is assigned upon receiving the
Basic licence, and is good for life. No renewals or fees are charged.
When you upgrade to Advanced, or add on Morse, a new certificate is
issued, but the call remains the same. The only time the call sign
must change is if you move to another area in Canada (i.e. VE2 moves
to VE6, you must apply for a new VE6 call sign).

Those who held one of the older qualifications are automatically
transfered in the licence database to the appropriate new licence
category..

A lot cleaner and cheaper!

73, Leo

Besides, then I'll be able to
step forward publicly with my feelings that Advanced and Extra should go
away ... that an entry level class (Novice?) with low power privileges
in all bands and a higher (General?) license that gives you everything
are all the classes we need. Anything higher, like my Advanced and the
Extra I'll have soon is just vanity. Let the ARRL create awards for
folks who pass tests demonstrating a higher level of technical skill.

-- Bob, KB0GT

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
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Wrong again.

BZZZZZT, wrong on your part.

There was a whole slew of N-class licenses, I knew several of them...
N5VSQ, N5XDT, etc.

Clint
KB5ZHT


Those calls were not issued on the basis of whether they had or had not
passed a code test. Those call signs were issued to people who had passed
General and Technician with code as well as no-code Techs. There is NO way
to tell from a call sign whether they passed code as the call signs were
issued on the basis of license class only.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
(an original N call issued when I passed my Tech with code in 1992. I have
never held a codeless license).

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
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hmm, guess all the n-class operators that were
no code technicians many years ago just
"didn't exist"...

they quit confining them to just n-calls years
ago, though. Figured somebody living
totally in the past with a blind eye to the future
wouldn't know that, though.

Clint
KB5ZHT

N calls were issued to Generals, Techs with code (Tech +), and codeless
Techs. It did not indicate whether the person passed a code test or not.

When I took my original license testing, I passed the Novice written, Tech
written, and code. I was issued an N call (which I still hold today). I
never held a codeless license.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
.com...

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...
hmm, guess all the n-class operators that were
no code technicians many years ago just
"didn't exist"...

they quit confining them to just n-calls years
ago, though. Figured somebody living
totally in the past with a blind eye to the future
wouldn't know that, though.

Clint
KB5ZHT

N calls were issued to Generals, Techs with code (Tech +), and codeless
Techs. It did not indicate whether the person passed a code test or not.

When I took my original license testing, I passed the Novice written, Tech
written, and code. I was issued an N call (which I still hold today). I
never held a codeless license.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


To further expand (and you should know this from having studied for the
exam):

2x3 calls beginning with W, K and N are assigned to Novice class licensees
and higher. All the Ws available in the sequential assignment are used up.
However some vacant calls are available via the vanity program. We are
currently in the Ks. It will be some time before these are used up. When
they are, calls will be assigned from the N block.

1x3 calls beginning with W, K, and N are assigned to Technician (both with
and without code) class and General class and higher. All the sequentially
assigned calls have been used up. Some vacant calls are available via the
vanity program. No distinction in the call sign is based on whether or not
the Technician has passed the code. So today, new licensees with or without
code will receive a 2x3 call beginning with K.

2x2 calls beginning with W, K, and N are assigned to Advanced class and
higher. Again all the sequential ones are gone and only some vacant calls
are available via the vanity program.

1x2 and 2x1 calls beginning with W, K, and N are assigned to Extra class
only. All the sequential calls are gone but there may be some vacant calls
available via the vanity program.

2x1 calls beginning with AA through AL are assigned to Extra class only.
Again all the sequential calls are gone with perhaps some vacant calls being
available via the vanity program.

2x2 calls beginning with AA through AL are assigned to Extra class only.
These are still available in the sequential assignment and available calls
may also be requested via the vanity program.

The no-code techs that you know with N calls simply received their calls
when the N block of 1x3 calls was being used for the Technician (coded and
no-code) and General class licensees.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dick Carroll; wrote:


Jim Hampton wrote:

What? The last call I had before I got out of amateur radio was
N2JH. That
was *not* a no-code ticket! My licenses were WN2CJV, WB2OSP, WA3RJX,
N2JH,
and now AA2QA (after deciding to get back into amateur radio and simply
testing out in one session - with no code copied between 1969 and 1993
except for the fact that I couldn't help but copy the Morse sent in the
movie 'Fantastic Voyage'). Starting with WB2OSP, all were extra class
tickets at 20 words per minute.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
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"WA8ULX" wrote in message
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No-Code Licenses should come a designator following there Callsign,
that


lets


people know there status.
Such as W5TIT-1, or W5TIT-2, that way we will know if they are Mentally
Challenged Operator, or a Lazy Operator, 1 being Mental, 2 being Lazy,


that way


we would know which ones not to talk to.


Not up to date on your history, are you?
most PCTA types LIVE in the past, how odd.

They USE to have no code license designations, starting with "N".
Oops, that was a *fact*.

Clint
KB5ZHT

So much for the accuracy of Clint's "facts".

Was there any doubt?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
.com...

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

hmm, guess all the n-class operators that were
no code technicians many years ago just
"didn't exist"...

they quit confining them to just n-calls years
ago, though. Figured somebody living
totally in the past with a blind eye to the future
wouldn't know that, though.

Clint
KB5ZHT

N calls were issued to Generals, Techs with code (Tech +), and codeless
Techs. It did not indicate whether the person passed a code test or not.

When I took my original license testing, I passed the Novice written, Tech
written, and code. I was issued an N call (which I still hold today). I
never held a codeless license.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



To further expand (and you should know this from having studied for the
exam):

2x3 calls beginning with W, K and N are assigned to Novice class licensees
and higher. All the Ws available in the sequential assignment are used up.
However some vacant calls are available via the vanity program. We are
currently in the Ks. It will be some time before these are used up. When
they are, calls will be assigned from the N block.

1x3 calls beginning with W, K, and N are assigned to Technician (both with
and without code) class and General class and higher. All the sequentially
assigned calls have been used up. Some vacant calls are available via the
vanity program. No distinction in the call sign is based on whether or not
the Technician has passed the code. So today, new licensees with or without
code will receive a 2x3 call beginning with K.

2x2 calls beginning with W, K, and N are assigned to Advanced class and
higher. Again all the sequential ones are gone and only some vacant calls
are available via the vanity program.

1x2 and 2x1 calls beginning with W, K, and N are assigned to Extra class
only. All the sequential calls are gone but there may be some vacant calls
available via the vanity program.

2x1 calls beginning with AA through AL are assigned to Extra class only.
Again all the sequential calls are gone with perhaps some vacant calls being
available via the vanity program.

2x2 calls beginning with AA through AL are assigned to Extra class only.
These are still available in the sequential assignment and available calls
may also be requested via the vanity program.

The no-code techs that you know with N calls simply received their calls
when the N block of 1x3 calls was being used for the Technician (coded and
no-code) and General class licensees.

Game, set, and Match! Ohh, this will be good to watch the wordsmmithing.
I'll bet it starts with "I never said......

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

Wrong again.

BZZZZZT, wrong on your part.

There was a whole slew of N-class licenses, I knew several of them...
N5VSQ, N5XDT, etc.

Clint
KB5ZHT


Those calls were not issued on the basis of whether they had or had not
passed a code test. Those call signs were issued to people who had passed
General and Technician with code as well as no-code Techs. There is NO way
to tell from a call sign whether they passed code as the call signs were
issued on the basis of license class only.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
(an original N call issued when I passed my Tech with code in 1992. I have
never held a codeless license).

How d'ya think he's going to "BZZZZTT" out of this one Dee?

Clint is simply mistaken.

Maybe time for N2EY to
weigh in one this one

See above. Dee's information is correct.

FCC has *never* differentiated between code-tested and non-code-tested
Technician callsigns.

Also, with one exception, there has never been any requirement for a ham to
change callsigns when upgrading license class. That one exception, now long
gone, was the requirement to give up the Novice "N" or "V".

...............oh..........wait a second........
Jim must be a no-coder with that call sign. Jim, has Clint outed you? 8^)

Nothing to be "outed" from!

I have held this callsign since 1977, when it was sequentially issued. Before
that I held WA3IYC, and before that, WN3IYC.

--

And while we're on the subject of callsigns...

I recall reading here recently that someone with a 2x3 WA8 call claimed to have
held that same call since 1956. That's not correct, because FCC did not issue
WA8 prefix calls that far back.

Perhaps I read that post wrong.

73 de Jim, N2EY