What pray tell the phrig is a "razor test"...???

He's refering to the guy who told the government he was going to smuggle
banned items into an aircraft and did so and got caught. Not exactly the
smartest move in the world. I think the reference is to smuggling a razor
aboard an aircraft. He may get some free room and board out of this (in a
federal pen).

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Rev. Firefly" wrote in message
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What pray tell the phrig is a "razor test"...???

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Jim He's refering to the guy who told the government he was going to
Jim smuggle banned items into an aircraft and did so and got caught.
Jim Not exactly the smartest move in the world. I think the
Jim reference is to smuggling a razor aboard an aircraft. He may get
Jim some free room and board out of this (in a federal pen).

Actually, the individual in question smuggled banned items onto
multiple aircraft, including notes describing the contents and
providing plenty of contact information for himself. He then emailed
the TSA at the end of his trip.

The items were not discovered until five weeks after his trip. Then
the TSA found the emails and passed them to the FBI which came to get
him.

I think he knew what he was doing. I don't agree with what he did,
but he made a statement and he appears to be willing to do the time.

Jack.
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"Jim" == Jim Hampton writes:

Jim He's refering to the guy who told the government he was going to
Jim smuggle banned items into an aircraft and did so and got caught.
Jim Not exactly the smartest move in the world. I think the
Jim reference is to smuggling a razor aboard an aircraft. He may get
Jim some free room and board out of this (in a federal pen).

Actually, the individual in question smuggled banned items onto
multiple aircraft, including notes describing the contents and
providing plenty of contact information for himself. He then emailed
the TSA at the end of his trip.

The items were not discovered until five weeks after his trip. Then
the TSA found the emails and passed them to the FBI which came to get
him.

I think he knew what he was doing. I don't agree with what he did,
but he made a statement and he appears to be willing to do the time.

He had a point to make via a typical college kid civil disobedience
maneuver and boy he made it. In SPADES. Congress is already looking
for Transportation Security Administration heads to gnaw on for this
one. Welcome to America . .



Jack.

w3rv

In article ,
says...
Jim He's refering to the guy who told the government he was going to
Jim smuggle banned items into an aircraft and did so and got caught.
Jim Not exactly the smartest move in the world. I think the
Jim reference is to smuggling a razor aboard an aircraft. He may get
Jim some free room and board out of this (in a federal pen).

Actually, the individual in question smuggled banned items onto
multiple aircraft, including notes describing the contents and
providing plenty of contact information for himself. He then emailed
the TSA at the end of his trip.

The items were not discovered until five weeks after his trip. Then
the TSA found the emails and passed them to the FBI which came to get
him.

I think he knew what he was doing. I don't agree with what he did,
but he made a statement and he appears to be willing to do the time.

He had a point to make via a typical college kid civil disobedience
maneuver and boy he made it. In SPADES. Congress is already looking
for Transportation Security Administration heads to gnaw on for this
one. Welcome to America . .

Kind of on a par with Matthias Rust, the German student pilot who flew
his Cessna into the Soviet Union and landed in the middle of Red Square
during the annual Border Guards something-or-other holiday. Definitely
made a statement!

They mentioned on the radio (KNX 1070 in Los Angeles) that he has also
been protesting the mandatory draft registration, but that protest
hasn't been making any real headlines. You have to wonder, then: is he
just trying to make headlines regardless of the cause, or what?

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-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:
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Steve Silverwood wrote in message ...

I think he knew what he was doing. I don't agree with what he did,
but he made a statement and he appears to be willing to do the time.

He had a point to make via a typical college kid civil disobedience
maneuver and boy he made it. In SPADES. Congress is already looking
for Transportation Security Administration heads to gnaw on for this
one. Welcome to America . .

Kind of on a par with Matthias Rust, the German student pilot who flew
his Cessna into the Soviet Union and landed in the middle of Red Square
during the annual Border Guards something-or-other holiday. Definitely
made a statement!

Rust's stunt was a whole 'nother level up, To successfully get away
with penetrating the Soviet air defenses in that global hot spot with
a just Skyhawk then having the audacity to fly it all the way to
Moscow unchallenged *and* plop it onto Red Square has to be one of the
all-time government-shaking stunts pulled off by an individual. And he
did it to a regime which had no qualms about shooting down commercial
airliners which strayed a few miles into their airspace. The kid had
gonads the size of watermelons. He drew a ceremonial year then they
tossed him back over the wall. In the meanwhile back at the Kremkin
legions of Soviet military heads rolled. OYeah, Rust made a
"statement"!

They mentioned on the radio (KNX 1070 in Los Angeles) that he has also
been protesting the mandatory draft registration, but that protest
hasn't been making any real headlines. You have to wonder, then: is he
just trying to make headlines regardless of the cause, or what?

He's a student at a Quaker college which explains some of it. Quaker
ideology includes often strident far-end pacifism and they've opposed
conscription and war going back to roots of their faith in the early
1600's in England.

"As a Peace Church, the Society of Friends (Quakers) has always played
a leading part in opposing preparations for war. The Peace Testimony,
which is a very important Quaker principle, arose out of the belief in
the in-dwelling Light or ``that of God'' in people. If that of God was
a reality within oneself it would be denying the inner Spirit to take
up arms against another."

http://websyte.com/PositiveChurch/quaker.html

The rest . . . ? Who knows . . no doubt we'll get his explanation at
some point after he's "duly processed" by the same gloms he embarassed
the hell outta.

w3rv

"Brian Kelly" wrote:

Rust's stunt was a whole 'nother level up, To
successfully get away with penetrating the
Soviet air defenses in that global hot spot with
a just Skyhawk then having the audacity to
fly it all the way to Moscow unchallenged
*and* plop it onto Red Square has to be one
of the all-time government-shaking stunts
pulled off by an individual. (snip)


While nice propaganda, it's somewhat foolish to believe that, Brian. To do
what you say, the guy would have had to avoid detection by Soviet, American,
and NATO, radar installations, which is clearly not very likely. Using
normal operating procedures, civilian radar installations would have
contacted NATO within moments of him flying off his approved flight path.
NATO, American, and Soviet, radar facilities would have detected his plane
as it approached the restricted airspace bordering East and West Germany.
NATO would have immediately tried to contact the pilot and aircraft would
have been dispatched in an attempt to intercept him before he could leave
NATO airspace (can't have spies flying out of West Germany). At the same
time, to avoid any possibility of confusion and again using normal operating
procedures, NATO would have immediately contacted the Soviets to assure them
it was not a NATO controlled aircraft flying into their airspace and to
explain their unusual air activity so near the border. If the Soviets had
not already detected the plane and sent aircraft to intercept, they
certainly would have after being contacted by NATO. The Soviets, for
whatever reason, did not shoot down that plane. Whatever the reasons, it was
certainly not because he had penetrated Soviet air defenses undetected.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message et...
"Brian Kelly" wrote:


. . . .

If the Soviets had
not already detected the plane and sent aircraft to intercept, they
certainly would have after being contacted by NATO. The Soviets, for
whatever reason, did not shoot down that plane. Whatever the reasons, it was
certainly not because he had penetrated Soviet air defenses undetected.

I've never dug into the details of who did or did not do exactly what
during that stunt but whatever actually happened is recorded recent
history which is inarguable. Versus you making the bunch of
suppositions and assumptions above instead presenting any historical
facts which refute my comments. That simply does not fly.

If in fact NATO and the Soviets were so chummy and the Soviets knew
the kid was enroute then you explain why the Kremlin very publically
punished a flock of their high-level air defense officers for not
detecting and shooting the kid down.

Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

w3rv

Brian Kelly wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
. net...
"Brian Kelly" wrote:


. . . .

If the Soviets had
not already detected the plane and sent aircraft to intercept, they
certainly would have after being contacted by NATO. The Soviets, for
whatever reason, did not shoot down that plane. Whatever the reasons, it was
certainly not because he had penetrated Soviet air defenses undetected.

I've never dug into the details of who did or did not do exactly what
during that stunt but whatever actually happened is recorded recent
history which is inarguable. Versus you making the bunch of
suppositions and assumptions above instead presenting any historical
facts which refute my comments. That simply does not fly.

More than this, his assumption that the rest of it relies on, that
Rust flew directly and non-stop over the East/West German border to
Moscow (what's that, more than 1500 miles?) in a Cessna 172, seems
a bit silly.

Rust actually entered the Soviet Union after a stop in Helsinki, which
means he crossed into the air space either from the Gulf of Finland
or the Finnish land border, so NATO had nothing to do with it. As for
why the Soviet border defenses didn't pick him up, Rust himself believes
it may be because the day he flew (May 28?) happened to be a holiday for
the Soviet military, and this may have left their defenses where he entered
undermanned and/or inattentive.

Dennis Ferguson

"Brian Kelly" wrote:

(snip) Versus you making the bunch of suppositions
and assumptions above instead presenting any historical
facts which refute my comments. (snip)


Those suppositions and assumptions are based on the fact that the airspace
in question (Europe, Eastern Europe, and Eastern Russia) was monitored by
some of the most sophisticated radar facilities in the world - radar
facilities belonging to the United States, NATO, and the Soviet Union. To
avoid mistakes, communications between those three were commonplace whenever
an unexplained incident occurred. To do what you say, this person would have
had to avoid detection by all three, which I believe was absolutely
impossible. Instead, like many military situations of the time, I suspect a
lot happened behind the scenes that was never, and may never be, made known
to the general public. Of course, that's just what I believe. You're free to
believe what you want.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/