Foul, vulgar language is used
so much now that it is spoken in homes as if it were accepted language
and the kids pick up on it.



Every time I run into one of those potty-mouthed kids, I feel like feeding them
the business end of a baseball bat -- after it had been accelerated to home-run
hitting velocity!


Way back in the late 60's when I was in Catholic high school, and away
from adults
with direct authority over us (parents or teachers or cops) we sometimes
had
contests to who could out-vulgar each other. Like yelling dirty
comments from the
school bus as we passed our arch rival (football league) school.
Probably as
"venting steam" when away from the excessive discipline they used to do
in Catholic
schools back then (each nun was issued 15 inch rulers...). What they
call "child
abuse" nowadays. If "fear-loathing-hatred" = "respect", then we "respected"
authority. It didn't help things any when the entire class got punished for
something, whether or not if you individually were guilty of whatever it
was.

/rant

Anyway, the kids are likely just blowing off steam, purposly being
annoying to adults as a kind of payback for their teachers and parents
annoying them. You see it say when high school kids walk in the street
partially blocking traffic in areas where sidewalks are avaliable.
And kids using bad language in the Mall, "what are they gonna do
to us?".

Most young adults grow out of this by the time they get real jobs
(not McJobs) and ham licenses.

The George Carlin thing was meant more of a jab at humor rather than fact...
:)


--
Ryan KC8PMX

"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."

"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...
Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:

Geee..... didn't Carlin cover this??? (i.e. George Carlin?)




As for specific words??? Dunno, is there a list?? :) Who makes the list
then? Are other things other than the known "7 dirty words" included? If
someone is of say, for instance a different faith than you, do you get to
determine anything they say religiously is offensive and should be banned
speech? I am sure there are other examples one could come up with......



Heard (possible urban legend) that the FCC in "case law" refers to
George Carlin's list
but doesn't actually list the words. George Carlin's recorded comedy
bit is a "published
work", like that of a book, and thus can be referred to in another
document. I'm no
lawyer, so the above could be BS.....

Alrighty then.... I am sick and tired and feel it is patently offensive to
hear about old fart's bowel conditions, regardless if they cuss when
discussing those..... let's make that banned speech! After all it's good
amateur practice!


--
Ryan KC8PMX

"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."

Jim:

Precisely. On amateur radio, one never knows when one will encounter
something which may make someone think twice about our hobby being
a wholesome and proper activity for a young person. When that happens,
whether or not what was said was "legal" within the letter of the law, the
potential exists for the effect to bring the ARS "...one step closer to
extinction."

73 de Larry, K3LT

My guess is that some moron years ago decided that these damned hamfest MUST
occur at like 8am and that the guys going to them figured, " to hell with a
shower! I will be back in a while"

I am sorry if this offends, but I shower twice a day, use
deodorant/antiperspirant and wear clean, laundered clothing even if it is a
t-shirt and shorts or jeans. Not saying having to dress in the sunday best
but.......

I have seen better dressed homeless people in some cases!


--
Ryan KC8PMX

"Why is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but
it takes a whole box to start a barbecue?"

And if you really want to see some sloppyness,
go to a ham fest. (snip)


I can accept a certain level of sloppyness at a ham fest or other casual
event (as opposed to the mall, restaurant, work, or other such places). Or
perhaps I should say that I dress more sloppily at a ham fest than I would
at work or so forth. I just don't really see an overwhelming reason to
dress
up for a ham fest.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
A neighbor tells me that the FCC has recently ruled that broadcast radio
stations are now "legally" able to "say the F word" on the air, as long as
it isn't sexual. Yeah, I know, go figure.

But, when I did a quick search on the FCC website, I found nothing of it.
Anyone know of this...my thoughts are on what will happen in amateur radio
now. The broadcast arena has always been the barometer of what people are
allowed to say on the air, hasn't it?

Kim W5TIT

What about language rules attached to callsigns?

Dan Finn wrote


What about language rules attached to callsigns?


Oh crap, here we go again!

With all kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB

--
"The dust will not settle in our time. And when it does some great roaring
machine will come and whirl it all sky-high again."
--Samuel Beckett

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 15 Nov 2003 20:16:48 GMT, N2EY wrote:

The broadcast arena has always been the barometer of what people are
allowed to say on the air, hasn't it?

Nope. FCC has completely different rules for different services. The
fact that somebody gets away with something in the broadcast services
doesn't mean it's OK in the ARS.

Quite a while back, there was a case against an amateur operator in
Los Angeles, and the ALJ ruled that the standards of broadcast
indecency articulated in the _Pacifica_ case (the "Seven Dirty Words"
case) also applied to the ARS because ARS transmissions are readily
available to the general public (i.e. are not protected by privacy
or secrecy statutes).

Sure - but as I read that, (insert standard "layman, not a lawyer" disclaimer
here) that means the ARS cannot go beyond what the BC services can do. IOW the
ARS "lower bound of decency" cannot be lower than that of the BC services.

Generally the terminology states soemething to the effect of "good amateur
practice." My ONLY PROBLEM with that is WHO gets to decide what the
benchmark is for good amateur practice...... If the FCC, who issues our
licenses are not going to do it, then who?

Amen, brother.

Yea, verily.

As for specific words??? Dunno, is there a list?? :)

No.

Who makes the list then?

George Carlin, at last count.

More like nobody. How did we all get to hear that routine?

Common sense and good taste used to be the guide. But I guess such
concepts are old-fashioned nowadays, from what some folks tell me when
I oppose the use of such language on the air and in newsgropups.....

Agreed.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Jim.... of all the people here I thought for sure you would see where I was
going with that.......

Of course.

it goes well beyond the "dirty words" and could
extend to any speech undesireable by others that could be deemed offensive
and therefor punishable.

I still believe in common sense and good taste, old-fashioned as that may seem.
Discussing one's gastrointestinal problems in detail on the air may be legal
but that doesn't make it acceptable....

I never hear that sort of stuff in CW ragchews, btw.

Heck, we have organizations in the US already
trying that..... not a small step to extend to ham radio!

You mean like folks who say the press is "liberally biased" or "beholden to big
business" when it reports things they don't like?

Like I said.... look beyond the cuss words, and there is a ton of things
that some radical freaks could oppose.

Sure. But limiting what can be said on the amateur bands is not an incursion
into free speech, because the amateur bands are public property.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."

As for specific words??? Dunno, is there a list?? :) Who makes the list
then? Are other things other than the known "7 dirty words" included? If
someone is of say, for instance a different faith than you, do you get to
determine anything they say religiously is offensive and should be banned
speech? I am sure there are other examples one could come up with......

Common sense and good taste used to be the guide. But I guess such
concepts are
old-fashioned nowadays, from what some folks tell me when I oppose the use
of
such language on the air and in newsgropups.....

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

Dan Finn wrote


What about language rules attached to callsigns?


Oh

[expletive deleted]

here we go again!

That sort of talk will tale rrap "one step closer...."

You know the rest.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 05:36:11 -0500, Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:

Alrighty then.... I am sick and tired and feel it is patently offensive to
hear about old fart's bowel conditions, regardless if they cuss when
discussing those..... let's make that banned speech! After all it's good
amateur practice!

It's indecency only when it raises purient interest. Does
someone's bowel surgery raise purient interest in you ?? ggg

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane