William wrote:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
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Dave Heil wrote in message ...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

No, Steve, I'm not suggesting that at all. Notice that I referenced
one country, and that was France. See above. A French amateur
replied to Dave what the French 6 Meter allocations were, and another
ham on here verified the allocations via a French telecom website.
Its really not as hard as you think it is.

I'll try clearing it up for you again, Willie. I am responsible for
operating my station in spectrum assigned to me. I am in no way
responsible for ensuring that other radio amateurs operate where they
are licensed to be. French amateurs, regardless of amateur band, are
responsible for operating where their licenses permit them to be, using
modes permitted them and using power which their licenses permit.

It has been suggested on numerous occasions that you should take the
matter up with the RAEF or the French PTT. I'll now suggest it once
again. March with your banner held high. Write petitions. Lobby the
French government. Make certain that scofflaw French amateurs are taken
to task by their government.

So if you know that Frenchmen are on 6 Meters out of band, do you keep
working them?

You sit there with your charts and graphs in hopes of a 6m opening to
anywhere, ready to maintain order on the band. I'll operate under the
terms of my license and let authorities elsewhere control their amateur
radio licensees.

What if it's a downtown Dar el Salam hazing ritual?

I've seen downtown Dar es Salaam hazing rituals. You couldn't handle
one.

Dave K8MN

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(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
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(William) wrote in message
. com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
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Dave Heil wrote in message
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As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be
considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.


Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

No, Steve, I'm not suggesting that at all. Notice that I referenced
one country, and that was France. See above. A French amateur
replied to Dave what the French 6 Meter allocations were, and another
ham on here verified the allocations via a French telecom website.
Its really not as hard as you think it is.

Sure it is...If we do it for "the French", then why not the
Russians, Poles, Czechs, South Africans, etc etc etc...?!?!

I didn't say that. I said "if you knew that they were operating out
of band, would you work them anyway?"

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

The question was, "if you knew..."

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

So if you know that Frenchmen are on 6 Meters out of band, do you keep
working them? What if it's a downtown Dar el Salam hazing ritual?

How am I to know from one day to the next what a Frrenchman's
allocations are?

You're not being asked to.

I asked "if you knew that they were operating out of band, would you
work them anyway?"

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

The question was, "if you knew..."

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

He might. To paraphrase, "lonely are the brave." :-)

Thier government is just as likely as ours is to
change the rules, so without keeping a database of some sort on
EVERYONE'S allocations, how is a prudent American Amateur to know if
the guy/gal he's working is "legit" or not?

That wasn't the question, and you know it. Just another diversion.
But I'll bet they're the same as when Dave was working out-of-banders
in downtown Dar es Salaam.

So many Dave apologists, so little time.

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

After that, who knows? He might invent transparent aluminum
and tell Scotty all about it.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

Yah. Da pros only look to Ten-Tec for information on definitions.

Shure dey do, big daddy dave.

You're getting more bizarre every day.

Hmmm...your Matter Transformer must have malfunctioned in
downloading all that hardware...made you irritable and gave you
IBS.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Ooooo! More foam! :-)

Hell kicked you out?!?

I've been (indirectly) to the Moon, Mars, Venus, all without needing
any license. That includes "working" a station ON the Moon. No
QSL, though, although I've got some printouts on it.

What is all this stuff about going where the damned have gone?
Is morsemanship really all that bad?

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

Yah. Da pros only look to Ten-Tec for information on definitions.

Shure dey do, big daddy dave.

You're getting more bizarre every day.

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy. Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Hmmm...your Matter Transformer must have malfunctioned in
downloading all that hardware...made you irritable and gave you
IBS.

I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Ooooo! More foam! :-)

Naw, Len, just more fact.

Hell kicked you out?!?

I've been (indirectly) to the Moon, Mars, Venus, all without needing
any license. That includes "working" a station ON the Moon. No
QSL, though, although I've got some printouts on it.

As far as I'm concerned, Leonard, you're still waaaaay out there.

What is all this stuff about going where the damned have gone?
Is morsemanship really all that bad?

I see you in an amateur radio purgatory--still waiting for a decision on
whether you'll be in or out.


Dave K8MN