"starwars" wrote:

"Lloyd Davies" whined:
I agree with that answer. I had to take
both the Novice and Tech written to
get my Tech no-code. So what? I
think it's a great idea to get on HF!!

Yeah, you have tried for over 10 frigging
years and you are too lazy and stupid to
apply yourself to learn either the code or
the General theory, so you just want it
given to you because of your mental
disability.


Good grief. I hadn't noticed this was being cross posted to
"rec.radio.amateur.misc." If I had, I wouldn't have wasted time writing a
serious comment.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

ARRL Philosophy wrote in message hlink.net...
I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for
amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER
been a member!

Good, now go and get completely lost, you old fart. We are sick to
death of your whining.

- Stewart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MURS-OPEN

"Lloyd Davies The GREAT TIME LORD" wrote in message
.. .

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Mike" wrote:
(snip) Yet, I still would like to
know where the idea came from
about grandfathering techs with
no test.


I think you meant to say no "additional" written test, Mike. I suspect
the
idea comes from the fact that the current Technician license already
allows
HF access with the simple addition of the code test. In other words, the
current Technician license exam already covers much of the material
needed
for HF access. Therefore, it makes more sense to grandfather them into a
license class with HF access than into one without. Of course, that's
just
my take on it. If you really want to know why ARRL decided to do so, ask
them.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


I agree with that answer. I had to take both the Novice and Tech written
to
get my Tech no-code. So what? I think it's a great idea to get on HF!!

I heartily agree... read on.

If you ever had to struggle through the period
of no-voice novice, you might never wish that
particular chore on anyone. I got my first Novice
in '75, and let it lapse due primarily to the lack
of voice priviliges (and no manuals for the
boatanchors I'd been given). CB was just a lot
more fun.

I got my second novice in '89, man, what a
difference! Sunspots were coming on, 10M
was hopping, and I worked for a commercial
radio shop. That's what Ham Radio is all about,
for me.... not hazing, but graduated challenges.

The greatest concern, and one which I don't think
has been addressed in this thread yet, is the fact
that our spectrum is in danger. We need more
occupants to help occupy it... and HF voice
priviliges are the only carrot left to put on the stick.
This is a graying hobby.
__
Steve
KI5YG
..

In article , " Stephen Cowell"
writes:

If you ever had to struggle through the period
of no-voice novice, you might never wish that
particular chore on anyone.

I had a no-voice, nonrenewable, nonretakeable Novice back in 1967.

Had a great time with it.

I got my first Novice
in '75, and let it lapse due primarily to the lack
of voice priviliges (and no manuals for the
boatanchors I'd been given). CB was just a lot
more fun.

I've never been on cb. Ham radio seemed like way more fun.

I got my second novice in '89, man, what a
difference! Sunspots were coming on, 10M
was hopping, and I worked for a commercial
radio shop. That's what Ham Radio is all about,
for me.... not hazing, but graduated challenges.

Hazing?

The greatest concern, and one which I don't think
has been addressed in this thread yet, is the fact
that our spectrum is in danger.

It's always been in danger. Other services have always looked
at our allocations and asked why they couldn't have some.

We need more
occupants to help occupy it... and HF voice
priviliges are the only carrot left to put on the stick.

We have 683,000 US hams today. That's about 2-1/2 times
what there were back when I got started in 1967. If the
bands aren't crowded, it's because existing hams aren't
on the air, not because there aren't enough hams.

This is a graying hobby.

Think about why.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
In article , " Stephen Cowell"
writes:


If you ever had to struggle through the period
of no-voice novice, you might never wish that
particular chore on anyone.


I had a no-voice, nonrenewable, nonretakeable Novice back in 1967.

Had a great time with it.


I got my first Novice
in '75, and let it lapse due primarily to the lack
of voice priviliges (and no manuals for the
boatanchors I'd been given). CB was just a lot
more fun.


I've never been on cb. Ham radio seemed like way more fun.


I got my second novice in '89, man, what a
difference! Sunspots were coming on, 10M
was hopping, and I worked for a commercial
radio shop. That's what Ham Radio is all about,
for me.... not hazing, but graduated challenges.


Hazing?

There is no qualification that someone, somewhere, somehow thinks is Hazing.


If the proposed plan to upgrade Technicians to General happens, will
not those who test afterward be able to claim that their (presumably)
more difficult test is "hazing"?

I would. If I were a prospective new ham, I wouldn't be thinking about
one-time "adjustments", the history of Ham radio, or anything like that.
I'd hear about the new tests, and be annoyed at the seeming
discrimination or "hazing".

I'd probably call the whole thing an attempt by old time hams to keep
new people out of the avocation. That is what it would look like.

This about time for Bill to chime in with one of those "life is a bitch,
and then you die" comments. After which point I as a prospective ham,
would then apply the arguments he uses against him.


The greatest concern, and one which I don't think
has been addressed in this thread yet, is the fact
that our spectrum is in danger.



It's always been in danger. Other services have always looked
at our allocations and asked why they couldn't have some.


We need more
occupants to help occupy it... and HF voice
priviliges are the only carrot left to put on the stick.


We have 683,000 US hams today. That's about 2-1/2 times
what there were back when I got started in 1967. If the
bands aren't crowded, it's because existing hams aren't
on the air, not because there aren't enough hams.

ahhh, get more people on HF argument. Sorry, that argument doesn't
work, because there is a way to get even *more* people on HF by simply
giving licenses away. Maybe we should look into registration for ham
licenses when we get our drivers license?

And I don't know about others, but when I tune through the bands, there
is plenty to listen to. Now that the cycle is winding down, 75/80 gets
downright crowded in the evenings.

Ludicrous mode on:

Maybe the new influx of Hams can do something about making poor
propagation on 10 meters go away. And what's the deal with 20 meters? It
goes away in the evenings just when I sit down to do some serious
hammin! First thing they have to do is petition the F.C.C. to make it
illegal to have bad propagation........... ;^)

Ludicrous mode off...

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

N2EY wrote:
In article , " Stephen Cowell"
writes:

I got my second novice in '89, man, what a
difference! Sunspots were coming on, 10M
was hopping, and I worked for a commercial
radio shop. That's what Ham Radio is all about,
for me.... not hazing, but graduated challenges.


Graduated challenges = obtaining a Novice license for the second time.

Hazing?

There is no qualification that someone, somewhere, somehow thinks is Hazing.

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

bb

(William) wrote in message om...
Dave Heil wrote in message ...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message om...
Dave Heil wrote in message ...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

No, Steve, I'm not suggesting that at all. Notice that I referenced
one country, and that was France. See above. A French amateur
replied to Dave what the French 6 Meter allocations were, and another
ham on here verified the allocations via a French telecom website.
Its really not as hard as you think it is.

So if you know that Frenchmen are on 6 Meters out of band, do you keep
working them? What if it's a downtown Dar el Salam hazing ritual?

(William) wrote in message om...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message om...
Dave Heil wrote in message ...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

Silly Willy will never have the problem Steve, he doan know how to put
up antennas so the dx isn't gonna call him.


That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

No, Steve, I'm not suggesting that at all. Notice that I referenced
one country, and that was France. See above. A French amateur
replied to Dave what the French 6 Meter allocations were, and another
ham on here verified the allocations via a French telecom website.
Its really not as hard as you think it is.

So if you know that Frenchmen are on 6 Meters out of band, do you keep
working them? What if it's a downtown Dar el Salam hazing ritual?