In case we didn't have enpough of cell phone stories. 8^)


http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/isabel_cells.html


- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
In case we didn't have enpough of cell phone stories. 8^)


http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/isabel_cells.html


- Mike KB3EIA -

"Cell phones performed as expected -- i.e., not very well -- ".

And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
amateur radio.

"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/22/2004 11:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS station or
used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???

I know of four military facilities, one of them Naval, that incorporate
MARS teams for emergency purposes, and two of them that utilize RACES teams for
civil coordination in appropriate scenarios.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

"Civil Defense guys" include military planners. I just finished
"Heartland Response 04" and I can tell you that there were at least two
uniformed representitives from Penatgon offices there.

Guess they forgot to consult you first, Hans.

Go figure, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/22/2004 11:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.


You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS station or
used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???

I know of four military facilities, one of them Naval, that incorporate
MARS teams for emergency purposes, and two of them that utilize RACES teams for
civil coordination in appropriate scenarios.


Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.


"Civil Defense guys" include military planners. I just finished
"Heartland Response 04" and I can tell you that there were at least two
uniformed representitives from Penatgon offices there.

Guess they forgot to consult you first, Hans.

Go figure, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval personel
aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have the
logs I kept of each patch.

"JJ" wrote
| |
| | And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| | include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do
include
| | amateur radio.
| |
|
| I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
| planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once
included
| amateur radio as a component of that planning.
|
|
| You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS
station or
| used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???
|
|
| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".

73, de Hans, K0HB
ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/22/2004 11:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS station or
used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???

Steve, you're confusing MARS with Amateur Radio. They are not the
same thing.

I know of four military facilities, one of them Naval, that incorporate
MARS teams for emergency purposes,

That's like saying, "I know of military installations that are guarded
by military police,"

MARS is military. Check out what the acronym means sometime.

and two of them that utilize RACES teams for
civil coordination in appropriate scenarios.

"and two of them use contract security services."

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

"Civil Defense guys" include military planners.

Except when one is Master Chief Brakob or MSgt. Burke.

I just finished
"Heartland Response 04" and I can tell you that there were at least two
uniformed representitives from Penatgon offices there.

OK.

Guess they forgot to consult you first, Hans.

Since you've concluded "Heartland Response 04," would you mind giving
us an after action report? Lessons learned?

Go figure, eh...?!?!

So does MARS still = ARS?

Steve, K4YZ

bb

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/23/2004 4:58 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/22/2004 11:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS station
or
used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???

Steve, you're confusing MARS with Amateur Radio. They are not the
same thing.

No, I am not.

I know of four military facilities, one of them Naval, that
incorporate
MARS teams for emergency purposes,

That's like saying, "I know of military installations that are guarded
by military police,"

No, it's not.

MARS is military. Check out what the acronym means sometime.

I know it quite well.

Military AFFILIATE Radio System.

That means licensed AMATEURS "affiliated" with that particular
MARS/military program.

No Amateur Radio Operators = No MARS.

and two of them that utilize RACES teams for
civil coordination in appropriate scenarios.

"and two of them use contract security services."

Very true.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

"Civil Defense guys" include military planners.

Except when one is Master Chief Brakob or MSgt. Burke.

Unless you were assigned the responsibility of incorportating those assets
to your plan by higher headquarters, Brian. Are you stating for the record
that if you are tasked with such a requirement that you'd disobey lawful
orders?

I just finished
"Heartland Response 04" and I can tell you that there were at least two
uniformed representitives from Penatgon offices there.

OK.

Guess they forgot to consult you first, Hans.

Since you've concluded "Heartland Response 04," would you mind giving
us an after action report? Lessons learned?

No, I would not care to give you an "after action report", other than to
say I had a good time and a lot WAS learned/accomplished.

Go figure, eh...?!?!

So does MARS still = ARS?

Only as it pertains to providing the people and resources to HAVE a MARS
program, Brian.

No Amateur Radio Operators = No MARS program. Such is NOT true with
REACT, Civil Air Patrol, the Coast Guard Auxiliary, and other
programs/agencies, although they MAY have some Amateurs participating. An
Amateur ticket is NOT required for them.

Unless, of course, you know of some secret DoD document that would deploy
Active Duty service persons to flesh out the MARS ranks if they all decided to
quit...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

KØHB wrote:
"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

73, de Hans, K0HB

NORAD, which is definitely military, does include ham radio in their
plans, so does the Office of Homeland Defense.

"JJ" wrote

| NORAD, which is definitely military, does include ham radio in their
| plans,

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