(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 10:25 PM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to
oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are
licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Who cares?

You do. You just said that, "With the exception of a very few Active
Duty personnel assigned to oversee the program, every single person in
all three branches of MARS are licensed Amateur Radio Operators."

Ray is neither Active Duty nor an Amateur Radio Operator. He is
merely the Chief of Air Force MARS.

Then you're one up, after...what...three years of getting your tail caught
under the rockers?

There you go viewing my posts with a jaundiced eye. You've been wrong
more than you've been right. But in either case, you're almost always
extreme.

Enough to completely ignore the fact that 99% of all MARS personnel
are
licensed Amateurs? I hardly think so.

Now you're saying that 1% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do you NEED a specific number, Brian? I am sure we can come up with one,
and I am sure that no matter what, it will STILL be under 10% regardless...

Great!

First you've gone from none to 1%. Now you're saying that between 1%
and 10% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do I hear between 10% and 25%?

Going once, going twice...

Can you say, "moving target?"

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

Which ones, Brian?

For starters, this one: "Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio"."

And without Amateur Radio MARS is...what...?!?!

Aha! Another slippery fella who needs to have "IS" defined.

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

I've never been in AMRS, or even in AMWAY.

Too bad. It was a lot of fun.

I have been in AF MARS at two assignements; base support team at
Andersen AB in 1990-91, and Scott AFB 1993 - 1999. I did sign up for
Army Mars when I arrived in Korea in 1988, but didn't become active
with it.

OK...that takes you up to five years ago. Thanks.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide
Coordinator
for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

Hardly, Brian.

So...You going to Dayton?

I have a scouting campout the weekend of the Hamvention.

I am sure you do.

Just stay away from me wherever I happen to be.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/25/2004 10:17 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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But right now...today...what I stated is true.

Nope, you're "FACTS" are moving targets. You've already backtracked
on your original statement and now say that 1% of MARS personnel are
not Amateurs.

OK...here we go again.

No, Steve. There YOU go again.

Brian, I have ALWAYS stated that there are SOME "non-Amateur" personnel
involved in MARS.

You absolutely have NOT.

This is what you stated: " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
"

Must I define " IS " for you?

Not only aren't all MARS personnel not amateur radio operators, but
MARS is NOT Amateur Radio.

Most of those are Active Duty Armed Forces.

And so you start modifying your position.

At first, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". "

Then, you allowed for active duty personnel.

You provided
the name of ONE person who is neither Amateur nor ADAF.

It only takes ONE to make your equation false.

I will accept that
there are probably folks who fall into that same category for N/MC and Army
MARS.

It matters not that you accept it. As a matter of fact, the more you
modify your nonsense statement that " Sorry Hans, MARS IS
"Amateur Radio". ," the closer you come to the truth.

I still contend that the numbers will be around 1%, certainly no more
than 10%.

Yet another modification. Congrats.

That means 90% of the load is carried by licensed Amateur Radio operators.

If you say so. I'm losing interest.

Let me know when you accept that your statement was false.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 5:04 PM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Then you're one up, after...what...three years of getting your tail
caught
under the rockers?

There you go viewing my posts with a jaundiced eye. You've been wrong
more than you've been right. But in either case, you're almost always
extreme.

It doesn't take a jaundiced eye to see that you have a poor grasp on a
great many things, Brian.

Do you NEED a specific number, Brian? I am sure we can come up with
one,
and I am sure that no matter what, it will STILL be under 10% regardless...

Great!

First you've gone from none to 1%. Now you're saying that between 1%
and 10% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do I hear between 10% and 25%?

Going once, going twice...

Can you say, "moving target?"

I can say that even if it WAS 25%, it would still mean that AMATEUR RADIO
was responsible for the other 75%, and that if they decided to stop being in
MARS all at once, there'd be no MARS.

Besides, Brian, you forget where I received my Marksmanship Training. A
"moving target" is a no brainer. Sorry that you are having such difficulty.

And without Amateur Radio MARS is...what...?!?!

Aha! Another slippery fella who needs to have "IS" defined.

That "slippery fella" would be you, Brian. It seems you have very little
real awareness of what the program is about.

I have a scouting campout the weekend of the Hamvention.

I am sure you do.

Just stay away from me wherever I happen to be.

No problem, Brian.

You have said that people should do one thing well.

It appears yours is shrinking from the truth and hiding behind middle
school boys.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time
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No, Steve. There YOU go again.

Brian, why do you want to start lying again?

It's been a nice couple of weeks, and here you are again, trying to hide
behind middle school boys and re-write what others have said despite the
inviobility of Google.

Brian, I have ALWAYS stated that there are SOME "non-Amateur"
personnel
involved in MARS.

You absolutely have NOT.

"Absolutely", Brian?

I have REPEATEDLY said there are non-Amateur Active Duty personnel
assigned to the MARS program.

This is what you stated: " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
"

Must I define " IS " for you?

Not only aren't all MARS personnel not amateur radio operators, but
MARS is NOT Amateur Radio.

Most of those are Active Duty Armed Forces.

And so you start modifying your position.

I see...Once someone says "something", it is absolute and non-amendable.

You ARE an idiot, Burke.

At first, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". "

Then, you allowed for active duty personnel.

I have said that long before this, Brian. Please get your stories
straight.

You provided
the name of ONE person who is neither Amateur nor ADAF.

It only takes ONE to make your equation false.

What equation?

That over 90% of the membership of MARS are licensed Amateurs?

That at any given moment the program is WHOLLY depenedent on those
AMATEURS...?

You can beleive that if you want to, but it will make you look pretty
idiotic, Brian

I will accept that
there are probably folks who fall into that same category for N/MC and Army
MARS.

It matters not that you accept it. As a matter of fact, the more you
modify your nonsense statement that " Sorry Hans, MARS IS
"Amateur Radio". ," the closer you come to the truth.

I still contend that the numbers will be around 1%, certainly no more
than 10%.

Yet another modification. Congrats.

That means 90% of the load is carried by licensed Amateur Radio
operators.

If you say so. I'm losing interest.

No doubt you are. You are woefully unprepared and wholly incapable of
carrying on an adequate debate here, Brian. You border on incompetent.

Let me know when you accept that your statement was false.

MARS - Amateur Radio = Ancient History.

MARS IS Amateur Radio. Sorry you don't agree. Sorry you don't
UNDERSTAND.

Now scurry off with the Scouts, Brian. I am sure your "knowledge" and
"experiences" impress them.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time
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I see...Once someone says "something", it is absolute and non-amendable.

Amendable? Why not just say, "Geez, bb, I was dead wrong!"

You ARE an idiot, Burke.

You said, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". ."

Last this subject.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/27/2004 7:33 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time
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I see...Once someone says "something", it is absolute and
non-amendable.

Amendable? Why not just say, "Geez, bb, I was dead wrong!"

You ARE an idiot, Burke.

You said, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". ."

MARS is made almost wholly of Amateur Radio operators.

Last this subject.

Run away, Brain. Sure would hate for you to embarass yourself for your
Scouts. As if one more time would make any difference.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

Robert Casey wrote in message ...




And nearly anyone who'se anybody in the service has a cell phone on
their hip paid for by you and me. I'd say that the military does
accept cellular telephones as a valuable service daily.



I doubt the military expects cell phone service in battle zones.



I don't think they do either, but the intent was not war fighting, but
disaster comms in the USA. I suggest that the cell phone is the best
thing that non-amateurs have going for them. See the long line of
jabs from JJ and cronies.



Cell phones will be fine for small emergencies (car accidents and such)
but are likely to
be down for earthquakes (not guarenteed to be dead, some cell sites will
survive and
still have connections to the rest of the world. Some people in LA
still had 'net access
after their last big earthquake years ago. But you can't plan on any
one system so you should
have a selection avaliable to improve your odds of having something
usable when the shjt
hits the fan....