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This is the latest update I could find on Google:-
WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 K5TIT: June 1, 2008 Currently, if the code test was dropped before June 15, I would be the winner, but that isn't likely as we don't even have an NPRM. The most recent NPRM took 2 years to work it's way through. If we go by that, it makes Dee the most likely winner. By then the US could be one of the last countries with a code test, as per Len's humourous piece that he posted the other day. Alun, N3KIP |
"Alun" wrote in message ... This is the latest update I could find on Google:- WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 K5TIT: June 1, 2008 Currently, if the code test was dropped before June 15, I would be the winner, but that isn't likely as we don't even have an NPRM. The most recent NPRM took 2 years to work it's way through. If we go by that, it makes Dee the most likely winner. By then the US could be one of the last countries with a code test, as per Len's humourous piece that he posted the other day. Alun, N3KIP Your right Alun. I will make a prediction. The FCC will retain CW, but for the Extra class only. After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... This is the latest update I could find on Google:- WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 K5TIT: June 1, 2008 Currently, if the code test was dropped before June 15, I would be the winner, but that isn't likely as we don't even have an NPRM. The most recent NPRM took 2 years to work it's way through. If we go by that, it makes Dee the most likely winner. By then the US could be one of the last countries with a code test, as per Len's humourous piece that he posted the other day. Alun, N3KIP Your right Alun. I will make a prediction. The FCC will retain CW, but for the Extra class only. After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. Dan/W4NTI You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... This is the latest update I could find on Google:- WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 K5TIT: June 1, 2008 Currently, if the code test was dropped before June 15, I would be the winner, but that isn't likely as we don't even have an NPRM. The most recent NPRM took 2 years to work it's way through. If we go by that, it makes Dee the most likely winner. By then the US could be one of the last countries with a code test, as per Len's humourous piece that he posted the other day. Alun, N3KIP Your right Alun. I will make a prediction. The FCC will retain CW, but for the Extra class only. After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. Dan/W4NTI You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI |
You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep it for extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the VE's giving the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to keep and maintain code test tapes. |
"Robert Casey" wrote in message ... You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep it for extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the VE's giving the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to keep and maintain code test tapes. Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt give a hoot out of what the citizens want? Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
link.net: "Robert Casey" wrote in message ... You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep it for extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the VE's giving the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to keep and maintain code test tapes. Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt give a hoot out of what the citizens want? Dan/W4NTI They don't, but the FCC is heavily into the concept of reducing the regulatory burden by simplification of rules, a very Reaganesque idea. Which is simpler, keeping a requirement for some licences only or making it go away altogether? Abolishing Element 1 completely fits their philosophy, and the alternative doesn't. Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved. |
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says... "Robert Casey" wrote in message ... You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep it for extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the VE's giving the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to keep and maintain code test tapes. Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt give a hoot out of what the citizens want? Dan/W4NTI I want my mtv. |
Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved. Na Alun don't worry about those expenses for code tapes or programs or 33 RPM records etc. There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are locally offered ??? Dare I say shenanigans ....... ?????? 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. |
"garigue" wrote There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. I take K0CKB out for a "night on the town" anytime I damned well please, but it has nothing to do with funds from a VE session. If you can prove your accusation, then the FCC will be greatly interested in hearing from you. On the other hand, it's my guess that you're full of male-bovine-fecal-matter up to your eyeballs, and somebody ought to stomp a mudhole between them for your slander. With all kind wishes, de Hans, K0HB |
"garigue" wrote in
news:u%uqc.75539$xw3.4174734@attbi_s04: Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved. Na Alun don't worry about those expenses for code tapes or programs or 33 RPM records etc. There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are locally offered ??? Dare I say shenanigans ....... ?????? 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. You do realise that the max that can be claimed back is a percentage of the test fee? |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in link.net: "Robert Casey" wrote in message ... You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep it for extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the VE's giving the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to keep and maintain code test tapes. Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt give a hoot out of what the citizens want? Dan/W4NTI They don't, but the FCC is heavily into the concept of reducing the regulatory burden by simplification of rules, a very Reaganesque idea. Which is simpler, keeping a requirement for some licences only or making it go away altogether? Abolishing Element 1 completely fits their philosophy, and the alternative doesn't. Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved. Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI |
On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:37:12 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote:
After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. What makes you think that real CW ops won't learn/use manual Morse if the mandatory testing requirement is dropped? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
link.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in link.net: "Robert Casey" wrote in message ... You wish. I predict Element 1 will go. Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole. Dan/W4NTI The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep it for extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the VE's giving the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to keep and maintain code test tapes. Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt give a hoot out of what the citizens want? Dan/W4NTI They don't, but the FCC is heavily into the concept of reducing the regulatory burden by simplification of rules, a very Reaganesque idea. Which is simpler, keeping a requirement for some licences only or making it go away altogether? Abolishing Element 1 completely fits their philosophy, and the alternative doesn't. Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved. Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI You'll have to do better than that |
"Phil Kane" wrote in
et: On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:37:12 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote: After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. What makes you think that real CW ops won't learn/use manual Morse if the mandatory testing requirement is dropped? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane I might even use it if the test is dropped! Some of these guys are terrified that they will have no-one to work. Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. |
"Alun" wrote Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't work people he considers "lids". Good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID |
"KØHB" wrote in news:GxBqc.1017$Tn6.35
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Alun" wrote Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't work people he considers "lids". Good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID He said that phone ops are lids in the group. He tried to backtrack on that, but google preserves his words indefinitely. |
garigue wrote:
Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved. Na Alun don't worry about those expenses for code tapes or programs or 33 RPM records etc. There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are locally offered ??? Zounds, Tom!!! I doubt that the proceeds from most tests would cover much of a night out on the town, once the VEC gets it's cut. Then you have the other VE's to split the booty with...... Heck, I doubt you could eat at Arby's by the end of the malfeasance. All endeavors have the occasional bad egg, but at every test I ever attended - there were 4 of them - the VE's seemed as honest as can be, plus some of them that I personally knew are in no doubt as to their honesty. And FWIW, I live in State College PA. I took my Technician test in Williamsport, over an hour away. I took my General test in Butler PA, a two hour + drive I took my Element 1 test in State College PA (flunked it at Butler) I took my Extra test at Lock Haven, around an hour drive. Basically the reason that I traveled to the tests was because that was where a test was taking place when I had the time to take the test. - Mike KB3EIA |
"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net...
"Alun" wrote Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't work people he considers "lids". Good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID That would make Dan a self-declared lid. |
"garigue" wrote in message news:u%uqc.75539$xw3.4174734@attbi_s04...
There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. As a reward for putting up with the demands of being a VE. Paperwork, lots of extra stuff about the house, spending a good part of the weekend at some hamfest or other giving tests to strangers for not much more than a couple of donuts...... Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are locally offered ??? Lots of reasons. Most of the VE sessions I know of are part of a hamfest, so two things get done. Timing of the tests is another - if someone is a "morning person", taking the test in the evening is setting oneself up for failure. "Local" tests that are scheduled at inconvenient times don't do the testee any good. Dare I say shenanigans ....... ?????? Got any proof? Not aspersions on the character of unnamed persons, but actual solid proof of wrongdoing? If so, tell Riley - FCC does care about such things. If not, why besmirch the efforts of thousands of honest volunteers? The VEs who do the grunt work of actually giving the tests didn't invent the system and they don't make the rules. In the 20 year history of the system, only a tiny handful out of thousands of VEs have been found guilty of any sort of wrongdoing in connection with their VE activities. Perhaps an apology to the vast majority of honest VEs is in order. Yes, I wish FCC would do all the testing, and that the tests were secret, etc., etc. But that's just not going to happen any time soon because it costs $$$. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"KØHB" wrote in message k.net... "garigue" wrote There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. I take K0CKB out for a "night on the town" anytime I damned well please, but it has nothing to do with funds from a VE session. If you can prove your accusation, then the FCC will be greatly interested in hearing from you. On the other hand, it's my guess that you're full of male-bovine-fecal-matter up to your eyeballs, and somebody ought to stomp a mudhole between them for your slander. With all kind wishes, de Hans, K0HB In other words Hans you are telling me that absolutely no money other than the legal "fees" EVER passes between tester and testee under our completely lilly white VE system. If you believe that one then you are the one that is in need of a bovine cleanout. It seems to me ..correct me if I am wrong ....that there have been instances where there were people recalled for testing due to "irregularities". The testing system even under the FCC was misused by fellows who where "ghost" testees. Did I also say that all VEs were on the free ticket take? Nope .......so Hans don't get your shorts in a knot and keep taking the XYL out for dinner ..... God Bless ..73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa ...VE-21219 |
There have been many a VE out there who has taken his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are locally offered ??? Dare I say shenanigans ....... ?????? 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. You do realise that the max that can be claimed back is a percentage of the test fee? Yep there Alun ...I was referring not to the legal percentage that can be charged but to the "selling" of tickets via questionable testing practices. Again this is something that did happen even under the FCC testing via shills taking the tests and the conditional cheating. Call me jaded or whatever ...but I firmly believe that some where out there a ticket can be purchased . BTW Alun ...stop by if your heading this way. God Bless 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. |
Zounds, Tom!!! I doubt that the proceeds from most tests would cover much of a night out on the town, once the VEC gets it's cut. Then you have the other VE's to split the booty with...... Heck, I doubt you could eat at Arby's by the end of the malfeasance. I think that there are ways to cheat even with the trinity of examineers ... All endeavors have the occasional bad egg, but at every test I ever attended - there were 4 of them - the VE's seemed as honest as can be, plus some of them that I personally knew are in no doubt as to their honesty. No doubt there Mike that the perponderance of testing is on the level .... our "profit", if we can call it that, goes into the general club fund for educational materials. And FWIW, I live in State College PA. Neat place ..my daughter graduated from there in 01 ....If you see Jim Breakall tell him I said hi ..haven't seen him since highschool ... I took my Technician test in Williamsport, over an hour away. I took my General test in Butler PA, a two hour + drive Probably at the hamfest there ...those fellows do a real nice job ... I took my Element 1 test in State College PA (flunked it at Butler) Flunked my advanced the first time ...missed it by 2 ....like a teacher of mine once said ..close only counts in horseshoes and handgrandes. I took my Extra test at Lock Haven, around an hour drive. Basically the reason that I traveled to the tests was because that was where a test was taking place when I had the time to take the test. Can understand that Mike ..... - Mike KB3EIA God Bless 73 ...Tom KI3R |
"Phil Kane" wrote in message et... On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:37:12 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote: After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. What makes you think that real CW ops won't learn/use manual Morse if the mandatory testing requirement is dropped? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Because people are basically lazy and most likely won't bother. Unless a ham that knows and loves CW is his Elmer. Dan/W4NTI |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Phil Kane" wrote in et: On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:37:12 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote: After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex slave countries. What makes you think that real CW ops won't learn/use manual Morse if the mandatory testing requirement is dropped? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane I might even use it if the test is dropped! Some of these guys are terrified that they will have no-one to work. Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. Good Hams that know CW are more than willing to reduce speed (QRS). In fact real CW ops know that it is idiotic to keep sending faster than your contact can receive. It's a waste of time. As for you not wanting to talk to me for saying my opinion of phone only ops. That's ur choice Alun. And your loss. You would enjoy working W4NTI on CW. Dan/W4NTI |
"KØHB" wrote in message k.net... "Alun" wrote Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't work people he considers "lids". Good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID Thank you Hans, I actually do consider ALUN a lid. Because he has stated he is a phone operator ONLY. To me that is a lid. Dan/W4NTI |
"William" wrote in message om... "KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... "Alun" wrote Not that I would want to work Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids.. You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't work people he considers "lids". Good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID That would make Dan a self-declared lid. Not really. I operate phone, have so for years. It's just that if that is ALL you do in ham radio, I think your a LID. LID = Poor Operator Dan/W4NTI |
"Alun" wrote in message ... Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI You'll have to do better than that I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone. Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and your problem. However, I am not that person. Have a good day. Dan/W4NTI |
garigue wrote:
Neat place ..my daughter graduated from there in 01 ....If you see Jim Breakall tell him I said hi ..haven't seen him since highschool ... Oh yeah, I see Jim all the time! - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes: "Alun" wrote in message . .. Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI You'll have to do better than that I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone. Poor baby. Therapy not coming along well, is it? "Real ham" = One who abides by 1930s standards and practices This is the year 2004, over 6 decades later. Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and your problem. However, I am not that person. We can sense your differences. And bigotry. And frustration. Without the telegraphy test, an Amateur Extra has no real self-perceived elitism over all other amateurs. It must be a great blow to self-esteem to face the loss of status and rank. Have a good day. Interesting. A Noo Yawker from the "south." :-) LHA / WMD |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
link.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI You'll have to do better than that I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone. Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and your problem. However, I am not that person. Have a good day. Dan/W4NTI You are the one with the problem |
"Alun" wrote He said that phone ops are lids in the group. He tried to backtrack on that, but google preserves his words indefinitely. I just did a google search on the phrase "phone ops are lids in the group" and only your message came back. I don't believe Dan said "phone ops are lids in the group". 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Len Over 21 wrote:
"Real ham" = One who abides by 1930s standards and practices That is incorrect, Leonard. A "real ham" is one who holds an amateur radio license. You don't. You have no stake whatever in amateur radio. This is the year 2004, over 6 decades later. ....and despite your self-declared several decades interest in amateur radio, you have yet to show enough interest to become a participant. Dave K8MN |
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writes: Len Over 21 wrote: "Real ham" = One who abides by 1930s standards and practices That is incorrect, Leonard. Not in the context of the particular give-and-take with "Real Ham" Dan. :-) A "real ham" is one who holds an amateur radio license. Actually, a "real ham" is the butchered meat of swine. :-) The FCC regulations don't define "ham" at all. The FDA does. Why do you persist in all the confusion of colloquialisms? You don't. Right! You have no stake whatever in amateur radio. Tsk, tsk, tsk. All you want to do in here (which is newsgrouping, not amateur radio) is drive a stake through any heart that doesn't beat to the rhythm of classical radiotelegraphy in amateur radio. Quit trying to play Van Helsing. Hollywood already done a movie about that and you don't have a part in it. [Hugh Jackman doesn't have an Aussie ham license either] This is the year 2004, over 6 decades later. ...and despite your self-declared several decades interest in amateur radio, you have yet to show enough interest to become a participant. Oh? Did you miss something in the past six years of messaging in here? I've been a professional involved with radio and radio communications. Interesting work. Paid well, too. I've communicated on frequencies you aren't allowed to as a "licensed amateur" or even as a State Department government employee. :-) Didn't need a bit of manual telegraphy skills or licensing (as an amateur) to do any of that. Where is it "written" that I have to demonstrate some "interest in radio" to the Great Heil? You DEMAND amateur radio license acquisition in order to state anything on amateur radio regulations in here. You should make public your "authorization" to make such demands. Without that "authorization" you are just another bitchy whining complainer who can't hack any real discussion beyond the "official" words on amateur-radio-as-it-used-to-was when you first engaged in that hobby. Without that "authorization" you are just another SS-wannabe who wants nothing more than to fight anyone who doesn't agree with your "orders" posted on this bulletin board. In other words, just another disagreeable gunnery nurse (but without bedpan). Until you show your "authorization," you'll have to discuss it with the only Real Authority on this newsgroup, Paul Schleck. Hint: he is a licensed radio amateur of Amateur Extra rank. What you seem to want this newsgroup to become is just another Chat Room where like-minded dittyboppers can commiserate in a mental commisary all about "real hams" (who know and love morse code) and follow the League's orders explicitly, complete with all the jargon and standards and practices of 1930's amateur radio. Meanwhile, this newsgroup is still unmoderated and open to anyone with Internet access. No doubt you will redouble your efforts to put down anyone who doesn't think like you do and DEMAND certain things in order to satisfy your "authorized" orders. Pththththth. 3333333 LHA / WMD |
On Thu, 20 May 2004 13:26:51 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote: I just did a google search on the phrase "phone ops are lids in the group" and only your message came back. I don't believe Dan said "phone ops are lids in the group". 73, de Hans, K0HB For the sake of getting things straight, guys, the statement Dan made was as follows: "I actually do consider ALUN a lid. Because he has stated he is a phone operator ONLY. To me that is a lid." 73 DE John, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York |
What happened 'putz'? Did you sneak out of your booby bin again?
Crawl back under your rock. Better yet go somewhere and die. Dan/W4NTI "Len Over 21" wrote in message ... In article .net, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes: "Alun" wrote in message . .. Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI You'll have to do better than that I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone. Poor baby. Therapy not coming along well, is it? "Real ham" = One who abides by 1930s standards and practices This is the year 2004, over 6 decades later. Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and your problem. However, I am not that person. We can sense your differences. And bigotry. And frustration. Without the telegraphy test, an Amateur Extra has no real self-perceived elitism over all other amateurs. It must be a great blow to self-esteem to face the loss of status and rank. Have a good day. Interesting. A Noo Yawker from the "south." :-) LHA / WMD |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: "Real ham" = One who abides by 1930s standards and practices That is incorrect, Leonard. A "real ham" is one who holds an amateur radio license. You don't. You have no stake whatever in amateur radio. This is the year 2004, over 6 decades later. ...and despite your self-declared several decades interest in amateur radio, you have yet to show enough interest to become a participant. Dave K8MN The words out. Whenever he tried to test the people in the white suits and the butterfly nets got their first. Dan/W4NTI |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in link.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down. Dan/W4NTI You'll have to do better than that I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone. Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and your problem. However, I am not that person. Have a good day. Dan/W4NTI You are the one with the problem Because you say so? I think not. Dan/W4NTI |
"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 May 2004 13:26:51 GMT, "KØHB" wrote: I just did a google search on the phrase "phone ops are lids in the group" and only your message came back. I don't believe Dan said "phone ops are lids in the group". 73, de Hans, K0HB For the sake of getting things straight, guys, the statement Dan made was as follows: "I actually do consider ALUN a lid. Because he has stated he is a phone operator ONLY. To me that is a lid." 73 DE John, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York And I still say that. Dan/W4NTI |
"KØHB" wrote in news:vm2rc.3350$be.3117
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Alun" wrote He said that phone ops are lids in the group. He tried to backtrack on that, but google preserves his words indefinitely. I just did a google search on the phrase "phone ops are lids in the group" and only your message came back. I don't believe Dan said "phone ops are lids in the group". 73, de Hans, K0HB Hans, what I meant was he said "phone ops are lids" in the group, not that he said "phone ops are lids in the group". Obviously I need to spell things out for you to get it. Here is his original post (in quotes below):- From: Dan/W4NTI ) Subject: Morse and Contests View this article only Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Date: 2004-05-01 14:32:13 PST "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI So now you can all see, he said exactly what I said he did. |
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