In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's
blatantly
obvious.

No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation
with great technological learning capabilities.

Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard?

Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It
doesn't work. Give up on that ploy.

It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard.

If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should
be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What
can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be
able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio
is....
or that you read in a book that amateur radio is...

You're shucking and jiving, Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a
ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild
dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book
and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a
ham. No sir! No help from no one.

So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your
comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information
to be able to answer questions about amateur radio.

You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked
down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are
contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and
jiving.

Big Dave - better known as Herr Robust for his military rank - shucks
and jives more than a jazz band let loose in an Iowa corn field at
harvest time.

He might have been "opertating" his new transceiver and is suffering
from too many oriongasms. He might need Vigoro from Canada for
his mental erectile dysfunction? [he might find out that there's been
an electronics world definition of "software" and "firmware" and
"hardware" for over three decades...but never saw it in QST so
therefore doesn't apply]

Heil wastes everyone's time. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 6/24/2004 3:08 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio
services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications
conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses.
Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where
inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are
not
authorized either.

Excuse me...

"Opertational" and "interoperabiltiy".

Oh, my...nursie be amateur radio OPERTATOR! :-)

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly
obvious.

No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation
with great technological learning capabilities.

Except to a few, such as nursie.

I have enjoyed Amateur Radio since 1972, Lennie.

It's the ONLY radio you know, nursie.

It has been a great tool, a source of recreation, and a social gathering
place.

Nursie regular bon vivant, trashed bakeries with visitors, etc.

And as of today, youa re still not a part of it, save for being a
sidelined scufflaw.

Mea not bother. Mea been in lots of places youa nevah be in
radio. Tsk, tsk. :-)

Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States
amateur radio.

Sure I do...At least 1/675,000 part of it.

Less of a fraction than that. Over 700 thousand U.S. amateur
licenses granted and on the books, nursie, all still valid.

Which is 1/675,000 more than you are.

Nursie have strange mathematic in nursieland. :-)

I dare say that judging by many of the other responses in this forum,
than
some of my opinions are also held by others.

Google refers.

Nursie bad speller. Spelled "google reefers" wrong.

Nursie get one response in favor, exaggerates that. Just like
the Katapult King exaggerated his single patent into 26! :-)

I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known
familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any
means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators.

There is only one "control freak" here, Lennie.

Incorrect. SEVERAL control freaks busy with industrial-strength
ethnic cleanser trying to brush away all NCTAs.

Scrub scrub scrub, three men in a tubie. Nursery rhymes
by the nannies. [nano-technology trying to replace brains]


Nursie just wanna FIGHT. Nursie FIGHT anyone who have opposite
opinions of nursie's.

Bark, bark, bark, little nursie.

Seems I'm the little doggie that got ahold of YOU, Lennie!

Bark, bark, bark, little nursie.

Nursie not "get" anyone. Nursie get worse.

Nursie got nuts with nursieworld facts and ZERO INVOLVEMENT
in space biz trying to make like Weiner von Brawn.

This not "meaningful discourse," only diss and cuss time by
nursie. Not normal. Not sane. Nursie need help.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

I guess you told me, Len.

Say goodnight, Dave...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

CAP has had a lot of in-fighting about FRS. Since FRS is "civilian"
and
we are under NTIA, there's been a lot of arguing about the legalities of
it.

"Legalities?!?" :-) For an unlicensed radio service?!?

Don't show more ignorance than what you have already shown us, Lennie.

FRS is regulated under Part 95 of the FCC'S Rules and Regulations.

...and NO LICENSE is required to use one. :-)

Not in "Part 15" that nursie keeps bringing up...:-)

CAP, as a defacto federal agency (as attested to by the Department of
Defense, Department of the Air Force and the Attorney General of the United
States...) is obligated to operate under NTIA.

Wow! That sounds so OFFICIAL!!!

I'll bet all the CAP aces have cute uniforms with pretty patches
and salute one another on or off the flight line...

The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio
services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications
conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses.
Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where
inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not
authorized either.

"...where inoperability?!?" :-)

These "restrictions" are not solely applicable to CAP. They apply to all
other federal entities also.

You sound like the JIG...Judicial Inoperability Group.

Lots of word dancing. Doesn't mean much because the tune is
off key.

Maybe nursie suggest using MARS.

Actually Civil Air Patrol has quite a few stations authorized to operate
in Air Force MARS, Lennie.

Nursie say "Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!"

If MARS be amateur radio, it can't be "Air Force." Air Force be
military.

No, can't do that, nursie say "MARS IS amateur radio!"

:-)

Nursie made an "ace" of himself again.

No...you did, Lennie. By your lack of practical experience and
operational knowledge.

Nursie be stuck on "inoperability" with most things here. :-)

DoD 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03). Ever hear of it?

Putz..

Tsk, tsk, tsk. More "meaningful discourse?"

No, just nursie's dissing and cussing.

Perfect example of the best that ham radio can be?

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Why does it always have to be about you, Len? Radio amateurs are free
to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number
of venues. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the
"larger world of radio". If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur
radio license of any class and regale us with those tales.

It HAS to be about him, Dave...It's all he REALLY knows...other than what
he can cut-and-paste from all those websites that are THE most ABSOLUTE
authority on EVERYTHING, bar none!

DoD authority on U.S. military matters. DoD define MARS. MARS
is a military radio service.

FCC not military radio regulator. FCC not define MARS. FCC define
U.S. amateur radio.

Nursie state, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio."

Nursie make error, refuses to admit it directly.

Nursie mad as "heck" about making errors and having others show
them in public. Tsk, tsk. Nursie not play well with others.

Nursie write snit about others who disagree with his opinions, sends
personal insult and nastygrams about them. Not good behavior.
Nursie say he have freedom to cuss and diss others. Nursie not
able to play well with others.

Nursie just wanna FIGHT.

Nursie should learn about OPERTATING radios. Suggest good
book, "Ham Radio for Dummies."

Nursie wanna be ultimate authority on ham radio in newsgrope,
along with all PCTA. Nursie wanny scrub with ethnic cleanser,
but can't come clean on own dirty errors. Bad, nursie, bad. Go
sit in corner.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly
obvious.

No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation
with great technological learning capabilities.

Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard?

Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It
doesn't work. Give up on that ploy.

It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard.

If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should
be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What
can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be
able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio
is....
or that you read in a book that amateur radio is...

You're shucking and jiving, Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Interesting.

I think so.

I think so.

I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a
ham to become a ham.

I don't recall that.

There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you
know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.

Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild
dogs that you are...

Which "you guys" would that be?

PCTA. Know any?

...telling me of acts of heroism...

Acts of heroism? I don't believe you.

Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the
old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must
also face those same exams and examiners. But since those old-timey
exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not
worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P.

how you got the book
and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a
ham. No sir! No help from no one.

Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a
stelly-eyed examiner.

Steely-eyed.

K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked
my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me
and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse
to increase my speed.

So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So
what are you disagreeing with now?

So Len could tell the kid to get a book.

Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn
pontifications.

Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards...

Which according to your
comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information
to be able to answer questions about amateur radio.

A book can provide information to an extent.

A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur.

No good golfer became one
by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book.

Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your
list?

No good radio op became one by reading a book.

Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and
change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to
undifferentiated radio operator.

You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the
subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur
Radio. Have it your way.

One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single-
book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who
told me so are liars.

Practice and experience are the keys.

Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject.

Len has neither.

Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You
don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio
operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book
reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also
has formal education in the subject matter.

You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked
down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are
contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and
jiving.

I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you
don't fully understand them.

Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient.

And all others are ignorant.

"You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind
blows"

Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind.

Best of Luck.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio,
only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've
been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not
a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by
visual or audible means,

Why does it always have to be about you, Len?

It could be about your forgetfulness, but then there wouldn't be much
discussion, would there?

Radio amateurs are free
to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number
of venues.

And Len disagrees?

You ought to take it up with Steve as he refuses to seek out
information about the "larger world of radio," specifically MARS in
which he claims to be a participant.

Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the
"larger world of radio".

One in particular also participates in MARS and CAP communications,
but apparently has never been trained. He cannot differentiate
between the Amateur Service and MARS, repeatedly backing his statement
that "MARS IS Amateur Radio."

Hi, hi!

If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur
radio license of any class and regale us with those tales.

What tales?

Steely-eyed FCC examiners?

Taking an exam on a lark, without studying, scoring perfectly, in
under 8 minutes, and collecting $200 for passing go?

Naw, sounds too much like PCTA tales.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Why does it always have to be about you, Len?

About "me?!?"

Yeah, Len, about you. Why'd you snip the crud about your vast
experience?

Herr Robust getting adalpated again. Too many oriongasms?

Who is "Herr Robust"?

Nursie all obsessed with hating me...has to bring me up in
usual barf messages nearly all the time.

Are you getting as bad as nursie? [if so, get help pronto...]

Who is "Nursie"?

Radio amateurs are free
to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number
of venues.

Feel free. So, when are you going to do that?

Probably after you get your "Extra right out of the box".

Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the
"larger world of radio".

I've worked with some of those longer than herr robust has
been a ham.

Wonderful. Now if you'd only been a ham as long as I've been a ham...

They not behave like Big Dave, the officious pompous
authoritity figure telling all what to do and how to do it.

You must have me confused with yourself, Big Len. You're all
officious. You're certainly pompous and long-winded and you've spent
years here attempting to outline how amateur radio should be regulated.
Fact is, you have nothing to do with amateur radio.

If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur
radio license of any class and regale us with those tales.

"Impressing" big dave is NOT in my life's plan. :-)

Then you'll likely want to knock off the countless retellings of your
fifty years experience in whatever.

Big Dave can only be impressed by looking at his own image
in a mirror. :-)

I beg to differ. I'm impressed by a great many people, both famous and
unknown. You didn't make the list.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

[he might find out that there's been
an electronics world definition of "software" and "firmware" and
"hardware" for over three decades...but never saw it in QST so
therefore doesn't apply]

I provided a definition from several sources, even providing the urls so
you could confirm those definitions on your own. You continue to argue
the point in the face of cold, hard fact. You're simply wrong, Bozoo.

Heil wastes everyone's time. :-)

You aren't everyone and you have nothing but time.

Dave K8MN