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June 24th 04, 10:47 AM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Except to a few, such as nursie. I have enjoyed Amateur Radio since 1972, Lennie. It has been a great tool, a source of recreation, and a social gathering place. And as of today, youa re still not a part of it, save for being a sidelined scufflaw. Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Sure I do...At least 1/675,000 part of it. Which is 1/675,000 more than you are. I dare say that judging by many of the other responses in this forum, than some of my opinions are also held by others. Google refers. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. There is only one "control freak" here, Lennie. You see him in the mirror every morning. Here's MY "purpose"...It's a proven fact that those who bark the loudest or longest are usually the one's who get the most attention. Nursie just wanna FIGHT. Nursie FIGHT anyone who have opposite opinions of nursie's. Bark, bark, bark, little nursie. Seems I'm the little doggie that got ahold of YOU, Lennie! Sucks to be you. There is nothing at all "discrediting" about showing FANTASIES to be fantasies of the imagination. The only fantasy in this forum, Lennie, is that you are a person of respectable character, or that you are making some sort of "constructive" participation in it. Education in the radio arts is not accomplished by pretending that amateur radio is some paramilitary service organization or that memorizing the advertisements and radio reviews in QST is "learning" what happens behind the front panels...or that amateur radio "always comes to the rescue during emergencies when all the other radio infrastructure 'fails.'" You are the one with such fantasies, Lennie. You are the one who makes denigrating comments about parallels between the Armed Forces and Amateur Radio. And no one here has said "...amateur radio 'always comes to the rescue' ..."' The FACTS are that Amateur Radio DOES "come to the rescue" in a great many instances, and it CONTINUES to do so in the 21st Century, cellular and Internet technology notwithsatnding. As long as you deem it your "purpose" to do so, I will do MY best to expose you for the antagonist and mistruthful putz that you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie back into name-calling mode, trying to "win" newsgrope arguments by some kind of "show of force." It's no "show of force". It's the truth. Amateur radio regulations were established by people, not gods or chiefs of stuff of some paramilitary organization. Regulations, standards and procedures all evolved, changed with time. That will continue to change as time goes on. There is NO divine purpose to stop change. Yes, those regulations were established by "people"... People who have a vested, practical experience in the radio service they are a PART of... It was true in 1912...it's true in 2004... Except for you. Go figure. Change is opposed by those who managed to meet OLD standards and procedures of long ago. They cannot, will not adjust. They fear change. Change manifests insecurity for them. Or, they are so ego-driven that they fantasize their individual accomplishments as so mighty and noble that they think of themselves as role-models for all. A rant of monumental proportion, put to rest by any one who cares to review any of the posts made by any of those persons you refer to as "PCTA's", myself included. You were offered SEVERAL apologies and offers to move on, but your answers were clearly designed to simply perpetuate an argument. No. Not on record. Yes, on record. In Google and Deja before it... Nursie has not admitted that either of his statements about MARS being amateur radio are wrong, nor has he/she ever admitted to reading any of the military documents defining and explaining MARS...nor has nursie identified any part of Title 47 C.F.R. defining MARS as a civilian radio service. I have read many of those records, Lennie. None of them dispute my assertion of No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Recent posts by others here validate the activites of those MARS-authorized Amateurs in federal communications exercises. Nursie has never revealed the when and where of any claimed military "hostile action" yet demands full and complete disclosure of all others...for any claim. Nursie be a hypocrite. So far, my unweillingness to disclose whena nd where I was involved in hostile contact is your ONLY argument, Lennie. So far, that means you are about 30-1 behind on unansweed questions. Nursie continually insults others' private and professional lives clearly designed to induce word FIGHTING and then tries to say "others did it first!" Nursie be an insulter and hypocrite. It's not an insult if it's true. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. You have nothing to offer. Nursie make imperious demand. It was not a demand. It was an observation. So far, one you've not been able to disprove. Just the same, I was on the staff of Ham Radio magazine after being an author-contributor. Yes...you were... A magazine that is now defunct due to a lack of readership and circulation. So much for your editorial and leadership skills, Lennie. At the mention of that, nursie will go immediately into ATTACK mode, all safeties off, insulting all the staff of HR for being a "defunct" publication...even after 22 years of existance as a self-sustaining independent periodical for radio amateurs. I am not "attacking" the staff at HR, Lennie. Just you. I am sure Jim Fisk and the other folks were Nursie will then change gears and say I cribbed all information ("cut and paste" in his words) and had "none of my own." Nursie not understand any of the articles, too much intellect for him, therefore author become "enemy of state" to be destroyed (by any means possible). Poor nursie. Poor Lennie. There's no facts to substantiate any of your CLAIMS about them, either. Nursie think amateur radio all about manual telegraphy or code testing? Not so. Elimination of code test is my main concern. That is happening. Very slowly but it is happening. First break in mighty Amateur damn was in 1990. Yep. And it happened WITHOUT Lennie. Sunnuvagun! Small trickle of no-coders entered ham radio in 1991, are now the largest class group in U.S. amateur radio. "Small"...?!?! I already acknowledged the enabling directives of MARS. And how was that done? Must have been by private courier or other means "obscuring the information." No blinder are those who will NOT see..... If amateur radio goes away, MARS can remain. All that is required of DoD is then to update Directive 4650.2. Sure it can. Just like there are Jim Crow laws on the books in many southern states. And until the Department of Defense decides that MARS needs to be staffed to a level that would make it operationally viable WITHOUT all those Amateur Radio volunteers, my assertion that NO Amateur Radio = No MARS is accurate. No. If anything nasty be said about me, it is because I keep on opposing fantasies blabbered by nursie. Anything that is said about you is in response to what YOU have said. Afterall, this exchange wouldn't be possible without you, Lennie. You ARE your own worse enemy. MARS, without the thousands of volunteer Amateurs who man it, would not be able to carry out those duties those directives require. Period. MARS has done well WITHOUT those volunteers in exercise Grecian Firebolt 2002. They are still doing so in 2004. Sunnuvagun! How about that? Sunnuvagun...how about all the resports of MARS stations participating being MOSTLY from "individual" stations...?!?! You need to participate in forums other than this one, Lennie. Only a major manpower restructuring in the Armed Forces would allow it, and under present circumstances, that is highly unlikely. Okay, Chief of Stuff, explain THAT gem? The U.S. military has a very large communications organization that is done by military personnel. Doesn't involve MARS at all. Does all the tactical and strategic communications for the military. Very big. Army Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. Nice try for a change of tangent, Lennie. We are not discussing operational military traffic, Lennie. We are discussing MARS. Not ADA, AIR, WAR, SINCGARS, or equipment nomenclature...Just the MARS program. I'd suggest you try and stay focused, but you can't and keep an "edge" in the arguments. MARS can go away today and not impact any missions of the U.S. military. Yep....I never said anything else. And I don't need to "intellectualize" anything. You don't seem to be able to do that. All the readers see is you personally insulting others who differ with your godlike opinions. "Godlike"...?!?! You are not an Amateur Radio licensee. You never have been. You've made countless assertions and "observations" to and about Amateur Radio, most of which have been easily rebuked by fact, and certainly NOT substantiated by any fact from you. (Shall we once again revisit YOUR assertions of "dishonesty" by ARRL officials...?!?!) Everyone with opposite opinions LIES! Nope. Nursie = nuts. Still waiting on you to provide those documents that will demonstrate your qualifications in mental health education or training, Lennie. Until then...You're still a putz. Steve, K4YZ |
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#82
June 24th 04, 10:49 AM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 6/24/2004 3:08 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses. Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not authorized either. Excuse me... "Opertational" and "interoperabiltiy". Steve, K4YZ |
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#83
June 24th 04, 02:22 PM
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Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. Best of Luck. |
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#85
June 24th 04, 05:01 PM
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William wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. No good radio op became one by reading a book. Practice and experience are the keys. Len has neither. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Dave K8MN |
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June 24th 04, 05:11 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. Dave K8MN |
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#87
June 25th 04, 12:06 AM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Dave Heil Date: 6/24/2004 10:11 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. It HAS to be about him, Dave...It's all he REALLY knows...other than what he can cut-and-paste from all those websites that are THE most ABSOLUTE authority on EVERYTHING, bar none! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#88
June 25th 04, 01:54 AM
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Neither do others... "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" It all BLOWS from K8MN QTH. Say goodnight herr robust. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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June 25th 04, 01:54 AM
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: Why does it always have to be about you, Len? About "me?!?" Herr Robust getting adalpated again. Too many oriongasms? Nursie all obsessed with hating me...has to bring me up in usual barf messages nearly all the time. Are you getting as bad as nursie? [if so, get help pronto...] Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Feel free. So, when are you going to do that? Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". I've worked with some of those longer than herr robust has been a ham. They not behave like Big Dave, the officious pompous authoritity figure telling all what to do and how to do it. If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. "Impressing" big dave is NOT in my life's plan. :-) Big Dave can only be impressed by looking at his own image in a mirror. :-) Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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June 25th 04, 01:54 AM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/24/2004 7:22 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. Best of Luck. The POINT, Your Junior Putziness, is that Lennie doesn't HAVE the experience to help the kid OTHER than the theory part. Riiiight...just five-plus decades of experience beginning around 1947. OH! Maybe the gunnery nurse is going to address the troops at morning assembly again: "Amateur radio WORKS DIFFERENT that all other radio services!" Right..."amateur electrons" instead of commercial ones. Uh huh. Poor nursie...thinks the FCC can regulate Laws of Physics too! He can't help with testing, other than to refer him to someone else. Riiiight...amateur radio WORKS DIFFERENT than all other radio. Unca Stevie da gunnery nursie gave us the command orders! He can't help with the Code (should "the kid" desire to learn it), other than to refer him to someone else. Riiiiight...no amateur radio transmitter can WORK on HF without the "opertator" being tested for manual telegraphy. :-) Da gubmint and da Army use COMPUTER PROGRAMS to teach morse code cognition at Fort Huachuca, AZ. Do dat mean da computers gotta be LICENSED IN HAM RADIO? He can't help with tutoring "the kid" on proper Amateur Radio operating technique, other than to refer him to someone else. Riiiight. PROPER PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE ON THE HAM BANDS IS MOST IMPORTANT! Hams and hamsters can get fired if they screw up on procedure, lose their social status, be taken out and shot in the AM...and then be chewed out by the Super Chief Master Gunnery Nurse! A fate worse than death. Those that don't use proper procedure might never OPERTATE again!!! He can't help with...well....I can go on and on.... Poor nursie, still obsessed with hate. It's NOT about working "both ends against the middle". Riiiight...it is capitulation to the loudmouths like gunnery nurse and herr robust and like-minded self-righteous control freaks of olde-tyme hamme raddio. It's about what contributions Lennie has alledgedly made to Amateur Radio. WOW! New requirement! All newcomers MUST CONTRIBUTE to ham radio BEFORE they get licensed! Hits a new high in the extra nobility snob category...all serve the might lords of telegraphy FIRST...then they MIGHT let one come into "their kingdom" if one groveled well enough to suit their noble blue-blooded righteousness. Easily summated, it's ZERO. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie done expressed all kinds of "informed opinions" on national and world economy, the socio-political climate, ad nauseum, and has ZERO credentials or smarts in that! NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. Subject didn't touch ham radio within a light-year but here his mightyness be sitting, spittle shooting out in rage of denigration of others, and then NOT knowing radio physics. His only "professional" affiliation with Amateur Radio went belly-up a long time ago. Furthermore there's not a single reference, footnote or other attribution of an LHA-authored HR article in ANY technical text outside of that defunct magazine, and even then, that's 20+ year old information. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie need to read more. :-) Nursie not know radio theory, certainly not electronics in general. Nursie need to check out UK website having listings of radio articles. Nursie think FCC can make electrons, fields, and waves "act different" by law if they separate "amateur" radio from all other radio! Nursie gots to get more education in theory to UNDERSTAND technical subjects written up in publications. Memorizing the sales phrases and jargon in QST advertisements not enough. Nursie are not right in head. As you can see, no luck was needed...just facts. "Facts" in nursieworld much different than reality. Nursie "facts" not same as real-world facts. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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