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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/16/2004 2:59 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: With the different personalities involved, the games can get pretty interesting and funny, or sometimes they can become boring and repetitive. The MARS is Ham radio stuff is a good example of the latter. Agreed. But, the "MARS is amateur radio" statement is an example of not only a Traditionalist-Fundamentalist...(SNIP TO...) MARS was originally conceived (under the previous AARS) to get radio amateurs involved with the U.S. Army communications of 1925....(SNIP TO....) During the Cold War times, phone patches, whether through MARS or individual hams...(SNIP TO.....) But, the Vietnam War ended 29 years ago, almost a generation and a half in the past. MARS still has the task of involving civilians with military radio but MARS has, for a long time, changed its mission to be a true auxilliary radio service in the military, that of being an affiliate communications service with other U.S. government radio services. The one-month exercise two years ago of Grecian Firebolt 2002 showed that MARS does function quite well on its own without civilian radio amateurs to fulfill its mission. In order for PRESENT DAY MARS to continue to fulfil it's federal mission, it is DEPENDANT upon volunteer civilian licensees of the Amatuer Radio Service. Otherwise some nicely packaged editorializing by someone who is not active in the program and has no practical experience on the subject he's pontificating about. 51 years ago I lucked out in my military service...(SNIP) Here we go again...."Back at ADA......" (UNSNIP)...and got stationed at a major communications facility. That changed my concepts of what radio communications was about. No...that CEMENTED what your concepts of what radio communication was about. Very little in what you post here deviates from what you say you experienced in the 50's, yet YOU take every opportunity to denigrate any Amateur who has the temerity to suggest discussing ANYthing that happened more than a week ago as "traditionalist-fundamentalist". The regulars in this venue don't want to hear of that. It wasn't about "amateur radio" and it hasn't been publicized in QST. Well golly gee whiz, Your Putziness...Ya think it might be due to the fact that (a) it happened over FIVE decades ago, and (B) has NOTHING to do with AMATEUR RADIO...?!?!aphy. Back to trying to find out what's holding me down in my search for anti-gravity... It could be the lead in your....head. Putz.. Steve, K4YZ |
Len Over 21 wrote:
Amateur radio in general seems to be one of the most conservative of all radio services...plus the fact that most of the hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services. Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA. As a result there is a great deal of insularity (a sort of "dielectric materialism") which, in turns, breeds even more conservatism. I'm so glad I re-read this one - I missed that pun the first read-through. Simply excellent. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Mike Coslo Date: 6/17/2004 1:39 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: Amateur radio in general seems to be one of the most conservative of all radio services...plus the fact that most of the hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services. Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA. As a result there is a great deal of insularity (a sort of "dielectric materialism") which, in turns, breeds even more conservatism. I'm so glad I re-read this one - I missed that pun the first read-through. Simply excellent. It wasn't meant as a pun, Mike. He's being insulting. Again. Not to mention that the paragraph you cited was yet another utterance of ignorance, in particularly the part about ".....(radio) hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services.". He couldn't be MORE wrong....Well...Yes, he could, but it's hard to tell with him. I like the part about "Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA". First of all, they do. Regularly. Therefore Lennie's busted lying again. (I know...he makes a joke out being labelled a liar, but hey, if the shoe fits....) Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the "SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio services", then they can go to those other sources. Lastly, why would an Amateur Radio-specific publication spend an inordinate amount of time on "other" radio services? Where does this idiot (and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public Service, Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?! One has to wonder what Lennie could have REALLY amounted to if he'd been issued some grade-school level common sense. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: Amateur radio in general seems to be one of the most conservative of all radio services...plus the fact that most of the hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services. Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA. As a result there is a great deal of insularity (a sort of "dielectric materialism") which, in turns, breeds even more conservatism. I'm so glad I re-read this one - I missed that pun the first read-through. Simply excellent. Thank you. [there may be more... :-) ] I can't do too much of that in here. Rev. Jimmie's Bible Class will have me in the corner for "demonstrating childlike behavior" or something very un-serious. :-) That, too, is very PREDICTABLE. :-) Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all... :-) |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/16/2004 2:59 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: With the different personalities involved, the games can get pretty interesting and funny, or sometimes they can become boring and repetitive. The MARS is Ham radio stuff is a good example of the latter. Agreed. But, the "MARS is amateur radio" statement is an example of not only a Traditionalist-Fundamentalist...(SNIP TO...) MARS was originally conceived (under the previous AARS) to get radio amateurs involved with the U.S. Army communications of 1925....(SNIP TO....) During the Cold War times, phone patches, whether through MARS or individual hams...(SNIP TO.....) But, the Vietnam War ended 29 years ago, almost a generation and a half in the past. MARS still has the task of involving civilians with military radio but MARS has, for a long time, changed its mission to be a true auxilliary radio service in the military, that of being an affiliate communications service with other U.S. government radio services. The one-month exercise two years ago of Grecian Firebolt 2002 showed that MARS does function quite well on its own without civilian radio amateurs to fulfill its mission. In order for PRESENT DAY MARS to continue to fulfil it's federal mission, it is DEPENDANT upon volunteer civilian licensees of the Amatuer Radio Service. No...MARS can and does function by itself. It is controlled by the military and therefore run by the military using government radio equipment. Getting civilians involved is only part of the task. MARS has never involved "amatuer radio," only amateur radio. For information on Army MARS, see the Fort Huachuca website and follow the links there. While Huachuca is the Military Intelligence School Hq, Army MARS is headquartered there off to one side. Otherwise some nicely packaged editorializing by someone who is not active in the program and has no practical experience on the subject he's pontificating about. Now, now. I've been to Huachuca. :-) I've controlled MARS transmissions. :-) 51 years ago I lucked out in my military service...(SNIP) Here we go again...."Back at ADA......" It could have been AGA (San Francisco) or AHA (Hawaii) or Seattle or Manila or Okinawa or even Anchorage. :-) What isn't realized is that the U.S. military did NOT depend on fixed-point communications via manual telegraphy, only teleprinter telegraphy (TTY on landline or RTTY by radio). Did NOT depend as far back as a half century ago. They don't even today. (UNSNIP)...and got stationed at a major communications facility. That changed my concepts of what radio communications was about. No...that CEMENTED what your concepts of what radio communication was about. Nursie did not exist a half century ago. He isn't in any way, shape, or form able to conceptualize much of anything of that time unless spoon-fed the information from some ARRL publication. Nursie should stop trying to dictate what others said long ago or experienced long ago...or even what they say they thought long ago...when nursie didn't exist. :-) Very little in what you post here deviates from what you say you experienced in the 50's, yet YOU take every opportunity to denigrate any Amateur who has the temerity to suggest discussing ANYthing that happened more than a week ago as "traditionalist-fundamentalist". Nope. Only very specific amateurs. Principally those which hang out in here trying to make noises like they are special representatives from Newington. :-) If anyone keeps harping on obeyance-adherence to the standards and practices of the 1930s in amateuism of the 2000s, then they automatically join the "traditionalist- fundamentalist" club. If anyone uses manual telegraphy skill testing as a requirement for use of amateur HF bands then they are automatically in the "traditionalist-fundamentalist" club. Time can't be frozen but those club members all want to freeze out anyone not thinking as they do. The regulars in this venue don't want to hear of that. It wasn't about "amateur radio" and it hasn't been publicized in QST. Well golly gee whiz, Your Putziness...Ya think it might be due to the fact that (a) it happened over FIVE decades ago, and (B) has NOTHING to do with AMATEUR RADIO...?!?!aphy. Poor nursie. Never did any big-time radio communications in his military days...resents anyone who did. Poor nursie...never did any radio-electronics engineering and resents anyone who did. Poor nursie...never could take an opposite opinion to his in here and is bitterly resentful to anyone who had spoken out in opposition to him. ACAN (Army Command-Administration Network) of the late 1940s through all of the 1950s and into some of the 1960s was worldwide on HF at 14 major communications centers from Karlsruhe to Asmara to Taiwan to Tokyo to the Canal Zone. The Signal Corps had plenty of royalty-free, non- copyrighted pictures and information available to anyone who cared to publish them. [by law, the U.S. government cannot copyright its own works] Even though the USAF was given responsibility of operation of the entire ADA station facilities in 1963, it never ceased its 24/7 communications function until the final 1978 U.S. military transmission from Camp Tomlinson. Nothing of that was ever printed in U.S. amateur radio publications. The Army, again, was heavy into communications work in Vietnam from 1962 on through 1970 as explained at the Army Center for Military History on signal efforts in southeast Asia. New concepts were introduced there, the first military satellite relay operations began there, and troposcatter multi-channel radio was put to the test in a war zone. I don't recall anything of that effort published even as general interest items in any U.S. amateur radio publication. Is there ever any mention in U.S. amateur publications of the U.S. government's own involvement in HF radio, through SHARES? I don't think so. FEMA gets a passing mention although FEMA is a small part of the whole of SHARES. SHARES takes in MARS as a member. For an example of the MARS-SHARES operation, read the Army Communicator for operation Grecian Firebolt 2002 held over a four-week period. Grecian Firebolt 2002 didn't involve civilian radio amateurs of MARS. Tsk, tsk, tsk...poor nursie wants to concentrate solely on amateur RADIO as if it works by different physical principles than other radio of other radio services. It doesn't. The examples useful to amateur radio are neglected in the amateur press, therefore nursie doesn't want to know anything except what is spoon-fed him through hum radio magazines. Back to trying to find out what's holding me down in my search for anti-gravity... It could be the lead in your....head. Poor nursie...bitter and resentful to the last. I'll bet nursie loves to heckle entertainers from the audience while they are trying to entertain an audience. :-) Nursie can't lighten up. Always has to make fun of others. Not a good mental health sign. Putz.. Well, back to nursie's name-calling again. "Meaningful discourse" in the only way nursie can get along...dissing and cursing those who won't agree with him. Must be the "new" 'inherent good will of radio amateurs'... LHA / WMD |
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the Grate Meaningful Communicator) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: Mike Coslo Date: 6/17/2004 1:39 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: Amateur radio in general seems to be one of the most conservative of all radio services...plus the fact that most of the hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services. Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA. As a result there is a great deal of insularity (a sort of "dielectric materialism") which, in turns, breeds even more conservatism. I'm so glad I re-read this one - I missed that pun the first read-through. Simply excellent. It wasn't meant as a pun, Mike. He's being insulting. Again. Poor nursie...can't even take some simple word-play. Note "dielectic materialism" v. "dielectric materialism." See "dialectic" as "a logical test of ideas for validity" versus "dialectric" which is a fancy word for "insulator." :-) Tsk, tsk...some are strung so tight that they are "insulated" from a little levity. :-) Not to mention that the paragraph you cited was yet another utterance of ignorance, in particularly the part about ".....(radio) hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services.". He couldn't be MORE wrong....Well...Yes, he could, but it's hard to tell with him. I like the part about "Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA". First of all, they do. Regularly. Oh? Where? When? :-) Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? A quarter million of those radios have been produced since 1989 and are in standard small-unit communications use of the U.S. military today. Made by ITT, Fort Wayne, IN. Has the PRC-104 HF manpack radio ever been mentioned? Dates back before 1986, still in use today. The R/T module is standard in a variety of ground radios, from the manpack through vehicular to the fixed-site systems. Made by Hughes Ground Systems. Neat little antenna tuner module in the manpack version...uses the same Bruene detector first used on the USMC-contract T-195 HF transmitter back in 1955. Has the AN/FRC-93 ever been mentioned? It should. Amateurs know it as the ham version of the Collins KWM2. :-) Trouble is, the FRC-93 is the military-labeled version of the COMMERCIAL KWM2 which is supplied with a quartz crystal pack covering much more than ham bands. Ham publications have strummed HAARP and mentioned only the ham involvement in MARS...and lots of ancient stuff of old radio stations before most everyone's time. Just nothing in the last two decades. Therefore Lennie's busted lying again. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." :-) Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the "SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio services", then they can go to those other sources. Won't be much there, either. :-) There's much more on the Internet, especially the military collector sites...but those are about as behind the times as the boatanchor and surplus sites. Or, anyone that is interested in what is done today in the military (or of two decades back) can just ask anyone in the defense electronics industry. Very little of the "radios" built for the U.S. military or government are classified or "sensitive" (for security reasons, not receiver sensitivity). Lastly, why would an Amateur Radio-specific publication spend an inordinate amount of time on "other" radio services? "Inordinate?!?" No one was asking for "inordinate." Even a minor mention might draw some interest...except for those who wish to remain insular, isolated from having to learn anything but the latest DX contest scores. :-) Where does this idiot (and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public Service, Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?! Must be more of this "meaningful discourse" again. :-) The "A" in APCO does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in SHARES does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in MARS does NOT refer to Amateur. Nursie needs to know his "A" from a hole in the ground. :-) One has to wonder what Lennie could have REALLY amounted to if he'd been issued some grade-school level common sense. Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Meaningful discourse?" Poor nursie. Still resentful that someone took the time and trouble to educate himself and keep working in radio-electronics in the aerospace industry as a design engineer in radio-electronics and then retire with a comfortable income. :-) Sucks to be nursie? :-) LHA / WMD |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all. You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!? Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: In order for PRESENT DAY MARS to continue to fulfil it's federal mission, it is DEPENDANT upon volunteer civilian licensees of the Amatuer Radio Service. No...MARS can and does function by itself. It is controlled by the military and therefore run by the military using government radio equipment. Getting civilians involved is only part of the task. MARS is dependent upon Amateurs to do the bulk of it's traffic. It was true during Viet Nam, it's true today. MARS has never involved "amatuer radio," only amateur radio. Again your only defensible argument is that I transposed two letters. For information on Army MARS, see the Fort Huachuca website and follow the links there. While Huachuca is the Military Intelligence School Hq, Army MARS is headquartered there off to one side. I know you'll find this hard to believe, but life exists beyond websites. Otherwise some nicely packaged editorializing by someone who is not active in the program and has no practical experience on the subject he's pontificating about. Now, now. I've been to Huachuca. I am sure you've been lot's of places. An active imagination allows for that. I've controlled MARS transmissions. Uh huh. 51 years ago I lucked out in my military service...(SNIP) Here we go again...."Back at ADA......" It could have been AGA (San Francisco) or AHA (Hawaii) or Seattle or Manila or Okinawa or even Anchorage. Uh huh. No...that CEMENTED what your concepts of what radio communication was about. Nursie did not exist a half century ago. He isn't in any way, shape, or form able to conceptualize much of anything of that time unless spoon-fed the information from some ARRL publication. Regardless of my birthdate, your rhetoric and spamming of the NG exists TODAY, and it is rife with your tales of what you did five decades ago. None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio. Nursie should stop trying to dictate what others said long ago or experienced long ago...or even what they say they thought long ago...when nursie didn't exist. "Dictating" what you said? All I have to do is quote it. I couldn't invent some of the silly stuff you come up with! Very little in what you post here deviates from what you say you experienced in the 50's, yet YOU take every opportunity to denigrate any Amateur who has the temerity to suggest discussing ANYthing that happened more than a week ago as "traditionalist-fundamentalist". Nope. Only very specific amateurs. Principally those which hang out in here trying to make noises like they are special representatives from Newington. The ONLY people who have ever presented themselves as "representitives from Newington" were Ed Hare and Jon Bloom, and even then they were quite clear in stating that thier persoanlly held opinions did not represent the ARRL. Only YOU make that assertion, and it's still a lie. If anyone keeps harping on obeyance-adherence to the standards and practices of the 1930s in amateuism of the 2000s, then they automatically join the "traditionalist- fundamentalist" club. Then I guess we get to heap you into that pile, Your Scumminess, since YOU are the ONLY one making any such assertion. No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the service. I encourge you to provide even ONE quote that supports your assertion to the contrary.... If anyone uses manual telegraphy skill testing as a requirement for use of amateur HF bands then they are automatically in the "traditionalist-fundamentalist" club. Time can't be frozen but those club members all want to freeze out anyone not thinking as they do. And again that would be you. Everyone MUST be Lennie, otherwise they are "traditionalist-fundamentalist, jack-booted Nazi thugs". The regulars in this venue don't want to hear of that. It wasn't about "amateur radio" and it hasn't been publicized in QST. Well golly gee whiz, Your Putziness...Ya think it might be due to the fact that (a) it happened over FIVE decades ago, and (B) has NOTHING to do with AMATEUR RADIO...?!?! Poor nursie. Never did any big-time radio communications in his military days...resents anyone who did. This is a forum about AMATEUR RADIO. And yes, I did "big time radio communication" in the military. Poor nursie...never did any radio-electronics engineering and resents anyone who did. I don't resent your alleged engineering career, Lennie. I know several electronics engineers, and they are fine fellows who make meaningful contributions. You are NOT a fine fellow, and there's more than a few indicators that your "contribution" to radio communications were limited to your few articles sold to Ham Radio magazine. (No doubt a last resort in "getting published" since I am sure the professional journals cut you off at the knees.) Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline. Poor nursie...never could take an opposite opinion to his in here and is bitterly resentful to anyone who had spoken out in opposition to him. I am only "bitterly resentful" of pathological liars and persons who proactively seek to cause ACAN (Army Command-Administration Network) of the late...(SNIP) has NOTHING to do with Amateur Radio, then or now. Tsk, tsk, tsk...poor nursie wants to concentrate solely on amateur RADIO as if it works by different physical principles than other radio of other radio services. It doesn't. The examples useful to amateur radio are neglected in the amateur press, therefore nursie doesn't want to know anything except what is spoon-fed him through hum radio magazines. Another lie. I have repeatedly stated it's not the physics. It's the application. And it's too bad YOU don't avail yourself of the "hum radio magazines". (Your true colors are showing, Scumbag.) Poor nursie...bitter and resentful to the last. I'll bet nursie loves to heckle entertainers from the audience while they are trying to entertain an audience. If I paid money to see someone who isn't, in my opionion, entertaining, I do one better...I get up, go the manager and get my money back on the way out the door. Nursie can't lighten up. Always has to make fun of others. Not a good mental health sign. Untrue again. I find it QUITE "enlightening" to keep an eye on you. And I don't have to make fun of you. You do it yourself. And I am still waiting for you to post your credentials to tell us what qualified you to make determinations as to what is or isn't "good mental health". Leafing through wifey's correspondence courses doesn't qulify. Putz.. Well, back to nursie's name-calling again. "Meaningful discourse" in the only way nursie can get along...dissing and cursing those who won't agree with him. It's not name calling if it's true. And you ARE a putz. Of course I could gobact through tons of YOUR "name calling" and recite it...Or is Lennie the Liar ABOVE lving up to his own rhetoric...?!?! Must be the "new" 'inherent good will of radio amateurs'... You're not an Amatuer and this forum isn't regulated by Part 97 of the FCC Rules and Regulations. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve the Grate Meaningful Communicator) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard H. Anderson Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Your point? Therefore Lennie's busted lying again. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." Only you've tried to make it "secret". Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the "SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio services", then they can go to those other sources. Won't be much there, either. Then you've not been reading any of THOSE publications either. There's much more on the Internet, especially the military collector sites...but those are about as behind the times as the boatanchor and surplus sites. Then carry your rants THERE, Lennie. I am sure your spiteful wit and willingness to be antagonistic will be as well received there as it is here. At least it will be a bit more pertinent in those forums...Not by much, but some. Lastly, why would an Amateur Radio-specific publication spend an inordinate amount of time on "other" radio services? "Inordinate?!?" No one was asking for "inordinate." Sure "they" are....Well, at least YOU are. Even a minor mention might draw some interest...except for those who wish to remain insular, isolated from having to learn anything but the latest DX contest scores. Perhaps the Amateur Radio magazines limit the scope of thier content for the same reasons you don't find a whole lot of fly fishing technique articles in "Cosmo"...?!?! Where does this idiot (and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public Service, Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?! Must be more of this "meaningful discourse" again. The "A" in APCO does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in SHARES does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in MARS does NOT refer to Amateur. Sure it does...to what other radio service is MARS "affiliated" with...?!?! Nursie needs to know his "A" from a hole in the ground. Too bad YOU don't realize that all those "A"'s don't represent "Army communications of ocer 50 years ago". One has to wonder what Lennie could have REALLY amounted to if he'd been issued some grade-school level common sense. Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Meaningful discourse?" Poor nursie. Still resentful that someone took the time and trouble to educate himself and keep working in radio-electronics in the aerospace industry as a design engineer in radio-electronics and then retire with a comfortable income. Too bad there weren't some human relations courses in that 14 years of night school, Lennie. And I don't resent your efforts to be an engineer. One day you may be one. That you invested your money well was, as I have acknowleged before, one of your only positive acts in your adult life. Congratulations. My nest egg isn't quite as secure yet, but then I still have another 15-20 years to go before I think I'll be ready to stop wotking. Unlike you, I DO have the pleasure of seeing a meaningful, positive impact on my chosen profession. When I retire, I'll stop by your grave and see if all of YOUR "comfortable income" got you any farther than it does any other working person. Sucks to be nursie? If there was a "nursie" here, it might. But we KNOW it sucks to be Lennie! Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: Mike Coslo Date: 6/17/2004 1:39 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: Amateur radio in general seems to be one of the most conservative of all radio services...plus the fact that most of the hobbyists are quite unaware of what goes on in other radio services. Amateur radio publications seldom mention other radio services in the USA. As a result there is a great deal of insularity (a sort of "dielectric materialism") which, in turns, breeds even more conservatism. I'm so glad I re-read this one - I missed that pun the first read-through. Simply excellent. It wasn't meant as a pun, Mike. He's being insulting. Again. It's the "dielectric materialism" that's the pun, Steve. Whatever the other content of the post is, that was a great play on words, and was pretty hilarious. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all. You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!? Jesus Christ, NO... |
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(Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve the Grate Meaningful Communicator) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard H. Anderson Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? Tsk, tsk, tsk. SINCGARS has been in the news since Defense Electronics monthly was published, is in SIGNAL, the monthly of AFCEA, gets mentioned periodically in EDN, Electronics Design, EE Times, RF Design, RF & Microwaves magazines, plus articles in both Proceedings and some Transactions of the IEEE. It's in the UK too since Harris is making SINCGARS-compatible radio systems for them. Those are all "professional journals" since they are non- subscription "controlled" periodicals requiring identification of the reader to the magazines as being in/part/associated with the electronics industry. Decidedly professional. Not only that, there are many subscription services which have newsletters and periodicals and surveys, etc., of the defense electronics contracts, awards, amounts, add-ons, etc. for those who can't handle the free information from the government on such things. Example of the latter is Central Electronics Command at Fort Monmouth, NJ, which concerns itself with procurement and overseeing of Army electronics contracts. Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." Only you've tried to make it "secret". No, nursie did, way back when I first mentioned the SINCGARS in here plus the public availability of FM 24-24 of December 1994 (a compendium of signal equipment of all kinds, including HF radio sets, then in military inventory). Nursie claimed then - in broad generalities - he had "worked in military communications" but could not name ONE SET by either nomenclature or familiar name ANY of them. Claimed he could not talk about them due to not revealing military secrets or some rationalistic reason. Which was all BS, of course, since the general information had long been publicly available through many government sources. Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the "SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio services", then they can go to those other sources. Won't be much there, either. Then you've not been reading any of THOSE publications either. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I keep mentioning all those periodicals and controlled- subscription magazines and other information, write them in here, sometimes giving detailed information, and nursie keeps saying "I don't read them! :-) I'm NOT a regular subscriber to PopComm or Monitoring Times, never did get every annual WRTH, don't buy every issue of CQ or QST, nor of the old 73. Got a free subscription to HR after becoming an Associate Editor there. Neither did I buy every issue of PopElectronics or Radio Communication (the RSGB monthly) nor of the old Radio Craft or Radio and Television News or many of the old newsstand monthlies of ancient history. Don't have to...I'm not interested in ham DX contest scoresheets or nostalgia articles of old hum radio from the 1930s or building two-transistor transmitters in discarded tuna tine cans nor of building super-duper state-of-the- art one-tube regenerative receivers (all-band!). Been IN the electronics industry, seen lots of stuff up close and personal, designed a little bit of it, used it in the field. Radios. Modern radios. Got into the guts of them behind the front panel, know how they work...followed the contract awards, know who did what on some of it, know the modern history of it instead of concentrating on old history of one small part of radio related to hobby activities. There's much more on the Internet, especially the military collector sites...but those are about as behind the times as the boatanchor and surplus sites. Then carry your rants THERE, Lennie. I am sure your spiteful wit and willingness to be antagonistic will be as well received there as it is here. Naw. I like the "meaningful discourse" of mighty gunnery nurse and his liberal viewpoints of my-way-or-the-highway-you-putz!" :-) Perhaps the Amateur Radio magazines limit the scope of thier content for the same reasons you don't find a whole lot of fly fishing technique articles in "Cosmo"...?!?! Nursie get amateur radio info from Cosmopolitan or Field & Steam? :-) Where does this idiot (and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public Service, Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?! Must be more of this "meaningful discourse" again. The "A" in APCO does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in SHARES does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in MARS does NOT refer to Amateur. Sure it does...to what other radio service is MARS "affiliated" with...?!?! FEMA, SHARES, several government agencies. :-) See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) Too bad there weren't some human relations courses in that 14 years of night school, Lennie. There were under California rules for the early 1960s. :-) Some of those courses were done during the day. All for college accreditation. And I don't resent your efforts to be an engineer. One day you may be one. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Poor nursie resents the existance of anyone who has opinions contrary to his own. The spirit of the "new amateur radio" of this millenium. :-( Get mental help. Meanwhile, temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: In order for PRESENT DAY MARS to continue to fulfil it's federal mission, it is DEPENDANT upon volunteer civilian licensees of the Amatuer Radio Service. No...MARS can and does function by itself. It is controlled by the military and therefore run by the military using government radio equipment. Getting civilians involved is only part of the task. MARS is dependent upon Amateurs to do the bulk of it's traffic. Military police direct military traffic. Military communications uses wide-environment government radio equipment and military personnel to do communications. It was true during Viet Nam, it's true today. The Vietnam War ended in 1975. That was 29 years ago, senior. The Internet went public in 1991. That was 13 years ago, senior. Every government and military agency and most military units now have websites. The modern U.S. military encourages military personnel to use computer e-mail to message family and friends. The DSN (Digital Switched Network) tying U.S. installations and government locations around the world allow easy dial-up from the DSN to the outside telephone infrastructure. Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you. MARS has never involved "amatuer radio," only amateur radio. Again your only defensible argument is that I transposed two letters. That transposition is a common thing with nursie. Usually done when very angry and outraged that anyone dare talk back to the gunnery nurse! :-) For information on Army MARS, see the Fort Huachuca website and follow the links there. While Huachuca is the Military Intelligence School Hq, Army MARS is headquartered there off to one side. I know you'll find this hard to believe, but life exists beyond websites. I am well acquainted with life. :-) Been to Fort Huachuca, seen the Army MARS headquarters. Been to several modern military communications locations, seen what they have, talked to individuals there. Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST issues and ARRL handbooks. Try to experience reality, not imaginations of long ago. Otherwise some nicely packaged editorializing by someone who is not active in the program and has no practical experience on the subject he's pontificating about. Now, now. I've been to Huachuca. I am sure you've been lot's of places. An active imagination allows for that. Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer. The Military Intelligence museum wasn't built or open to visitors when I was there and that interesting place (like the CIA museum) can only be visited on the Internet. Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that except that visit concerned things like SID. I've controlled MARS transmissions. Uh huh. I'm glad you concede something factual. :-) 51 years ago I lucked out in my military service...(SNIP) Here we go again...."Back at ADA......" It could have been AGA (San Francisco) or AHA (Hawaii) or Seattle or Manila or Okinawa or even Anchorage. Uh huh. Good. Another concession instead of brainless battering against what happened before you existed. Unless one is flag rank, it is difficult to pick and choose where ordinary military folks get assigned. I was fortunate in being assigned to a big-time communications center. So was Eugene Rosenbaum. Part of the time. Gene (N2JTV) got reassigned to Funabashi, TDY with the small USAF radio communications station there which was not as nice an assignment as the Hardy Barracks billet or ADA duties. Nursie did not exist a half century ago. He isn't in any way, shape, or form able to conceptualize much of anything of that time unless spoon-fed the information from some ARRL publication. Regardless of my birthdate, your rhetoric and spamming of the NG exists TODAY, and it is rife with your tales of what you did five decades ago. No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get something somewhat close to correct...and in context. You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over the last 51+ years. Common tactic in computer-modem comms but easily defeated in fact, made arduous only in the stubborn insistence of the argumentative to ignore everything else and try to beat on specifics. Oddly, it is usually easier to reference military things of the past due to easier access of reference information compared to civilian- only occupations. That includes references of a public nature such as the Pacific Stars & Stripes (see interview with staffer Rick Chernitzer of their 10 November 2002 edition). None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio. Radio is radio, regardless of the differentiation that mere human regulation makers make of its differences. The Pacific Stars & Stripes did not include a nice photo I made of the MARS antenna newly installed at Hardy Barracks in 1955 (Stripes used only 6 of my photos for that Hardy retro- spective interview). One of the two GIs shown on the cover sheet is/was Stan Peschel who was a ham and the son of the founder of Hypotronics of New York. Nursie should stop trying to dictate what others said long ago or experienced long ago...or even what they say they thought long ago...when nursie didn't exist. "Dictating" what you said? Absolutely. You are outraged that anyone dare confront your ideas and fantasies with actual, real-life experiences. The same with several others in here. The dictatorial attitude is fairly common, done with heckling and name-calling and general denigration in an effort to make a poster stop writing. Weak intimidation. Works sometimes, but is not a guarantee of suppressing truth and reality. All I have to do is quote it. I couldn't invent some of the silly stuff you come up with! It's a losing battle to keep dredging up old, lost arguments in a newsgroup. Those can't be "won" by re-runs as if this were summer television. The military directives and regulations about MARS are not "silly stuff." Those are real. The information published by the various military branches on their MARS activities isn't "silly stuff." Those are real. "Silly stuff" is the exaggeration and over-emphasis on civilian amateur radio participation - done by part-time participants in MARS - and trying to make such "silly stuff" be the raison d'etre (French for "reason for being") of the existance of MARS. Nope. Only very specific amateurs. Principally those which hang out in here trying to make noises like they are special representatives from Newington. The ONLY people who have ever presented themselves as "representitives from Newington" were Ed Hare and Jon Bloom, and even then they were quite clear in stating that thier persoanlly held opinions did not represent the ARRL. You forgot Jim Haynie. :-) Not a long series of messages from Haynie but here nonetheless. [hint: Haynie is the elected president of the ARRL. :-) ] The PARROTING the Noble Goals as written/said by ARRL is the very same thing as acting like League representatives. Only YOU make that assertion, and it's still a lie. Jim Haynie wasn't elected president of the ARRL? :-( If anyone keeps harping on obeyance-adherence to the standards and practices of the 1930s in amateuism of the 2000s, then they automatically join the "traditionalist- fundamentalist" club. Then I guess we get to heap you into that pile, Your Scumminess, since YOU are the ONLY one making any such assertion. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More of that "meaningful discourse" again! :-) So, trying to dictate what opinions others may have again? Not nice. No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the service. ...by more and more manual telegraphy use, praising its supposed qualities, and generally getting into silly stuff about how it's so much "better" than any other mode. :-) Note use of the word "service" again. Military surrogate use. Desire to make amateur radio much more than it is by trying to identify a hobby with military service. Tsk, tsk. Lost focus. I encourge you to provide even ONE quote that supports your assertion to the contrary.... Heh heh heh. No, "encourage" is the wrong word. You CHALLENGE. You DEMAND. You all but hop up and down in spiteful hollering to try to divert the discussion. :-) Everyone MUST be Lennie, otherwise they are "traditionalist-fundamentalist, jack-booted Nazi thugs". Tsk, tsk, tsk. Obviously not a Jedi. Wrong connection of metaphors. :-) "Use the Metaphors, Luke, the Metaphors!" :-) Nursie is into Mirror Time again, reflecting on the total one-sided viewpoint all must have, the vista according to Newgington. Tsk, tsk. The regulars in this venue don't want to hear of that. It wasn't about "amateur radio" and it hasn't been publicized in QST. Well golly gee whiz, Your Putziness...Ya think it might be due to the fact that (a) it happened over FIVE decades ago, and (B) has NOTHING to do with AMATEUR RADIO...?!?! Nursie is an amateur. Nursie didn't exist 50 years ago. Ergo, nursie is irrelevant? :-) Poor nursie. Never did any big-time radio communications in his military days...resents anyone who did. This is a forum about AMATEUR RADIO. And yes, I did "big time radio communication" in the military. Yes...on par with those "hostile action" things...all conveniently UNdetailed, no specifics, nothing but a CLAIM. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Fish story. Poor nursie...never did any radio-electronics engineering and resents anyone who did. I don't resent your alleged engineering career, Lennie. I know several electronics engineers, and they are fine fellows who make meaningful contributions. I'm sure you have "Jewish best friends," too. :-) They must have made "meaningful contributions" to your knowledge of Yiddish. :-) You are NOT a fine fellow, and there's more than a few indicators that your "contribution" to radio communications were limited to your few articles sold to Ham Radio magazine. (No doubt a last resort in "getting published" since I am sure the professional journals cut you off at the knees.) Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) You can check out McGraw-Hill's old biweekly Electronics and Designer's Casebook. You can check out Microcomputing, a former monthly for personal computerists. You can check out BYTE magazine as well as BYTE Books on articles concerning circuit simulation. All reviewed and accepted by others. You want to make a Big Thing about Ham Radio Magainze going "defunct" back in 1990...even though HR was considered a leader in U.S. ham periodicals for technical information...which it was. The "defunction" was due to a shrinking ham advertising market already begun by 1990. That shrinking is even affecting QST. It hit 73 Magazine big time. Unlike QST which can get support from the ARRL membership monies, HR and 73 were independent publications whose entire income was derived by advertising. CQ is the same way and is barely hanging on. Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Having nursie as a critic is like having a blind color coordinator for interior decoration. :-) Try to differentiate between "compliment" and "complement." Nursie struggles on understanding Ohm's Law of Resistance and tries to mean-mouth things like explanations of timing diagrams in phase-frequency detectors? :-) Poor nursie...never could take an opposite opinion to his in here and is bitterly resentful to anyone who had spoken out in opposition to him. I am only "bitterly resentful" of pathological liars and persons who proactively seek to cause What am I "seeking to cause?" Sentence unfinished. :-( What are "pathological liars," nursie? Nursie no gots da edumcation in sykology, sointanly ain't gots no certificates (suitable for framing, hanging on da wall) as a licensed shrink. Nursie like to mean-mouth anyone who ain't love his one- sided opinions. Tsk, tsk. ACAN (Army Command-Administration Network) of the late...(SNIP) has NOTHING to do with Amateur Radio, then or now. Just the same, MARS was allowed to use some of ACAN's radio circuits on HF. How about that? By nursie logic, MARS is then NOT amateur radio! Must be hell when a rant is stomped on... :-) Tsk, tsk, tsk...poor nursie wants to concentrate solely on amateur RADIO as if it works by different physical principles than other radio of other radio services. It doesn't. The examples useful to amateur radio are neglected in the amateur press, therefore nursie doesn't want to know anything except what is spoon-fed him through hum radio magazines. Another lie. Nursie definition of "lie:" Anything against nursie's beliefs. :-) I have repeatedly stated it's not the physics. Radio works by magic, not laws of physics? Oh, my! It's the application. "Rub into affected area once daily, as prescribed by physician?" :-) And it's too bad YOU don't avail yourself of the "hum radio magazines". (Your true colors are showing, Scumbag.) A long-time radio amateur used to say "hum radio." :-) He is the same one that put tongue firmly in cheek and stated, "Ham is the butchered meat of swine." :-) Funny in context. Probably a cause for thermonuclear war to nursie. :-) Poor nursie...bitter and resentful to the last. I'll bet nursie loves to heckle entertainers from the audience while they are trying to entertain an audience. If I paid money to see someone who isn't, in my opionion, entertaining, I do one better...I get up, go the manager and get my money back on the way out the door. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie should read the entertainment reviews in QST before going. Saves everyone time and trouble. :-) Nursie can't lighten up. Always has to make fun of others. Not a good mental health sign. Untrue again. I find it QUITE "enlightening" to keep an eye on you. Nursie is OBSESSED. Is COMPELLED to mean-mouth others who go against his opinions. Sicko. And I am still waiting for you to post your credentials to tell us what qualified you to make determinations as to what is or isn't "good mental health". Leafing through wifey's correspondence courses doesn't qulify. Sicko words are sicko words to lay people, nursie. Putz.. Well, back to nursie's name-calling again. "Meaningful discourse" in the only way nursie can get along...dissing and cursing those who won't agree with him. It's not name calling if it's true. And you ARE a putz. Tsk, tsk, nursie should have his Jewish best friends tell him more about the Yiddish dialect-language. Needs more "meaningful discourses" on Yiddish snarlies. :-) Of course I could gobact through tons of YOUR "name calling" and recite it...Or is Lennie the Liar ABOVE lving up to his own rhetoric...?!?! First you need to explain what and how of "gobact." Not in any dictionary I have. That word published in QST? Must be the "new" 'inherent good will of radio amateurs'... You're not an Amatuer and this forum isn't regulated by Part 97 of the FCC Rules and Regulations. Nursie ain't no "amatuer" either. :-) Newsgroup ain't regulated by nursie, either. [ain't that a bitch?] :-) Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
"Len Over 21" wrote Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in any big-time radio communications experience. Sunuvagun! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"Len Over 21" wrote Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in any big-time radio communications experience. Sunuvagun! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
In article et, "KØHB"
writes: "Len Over 21" wrote Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in any big-time radio communications experience. Sunuvagun! 73, de Hans, K0HB ...strange echo in here...must be very sporadic B layer again...:-) LHA / WMD |
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? |
In article et, "KØHB"
writes: "Len Over 21" wrote Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in any big-time radio communications experience. Sunuvagun! One of the Armenian judges, who had a sore throat (couldn't chant) and who broke all the strings on his balalaika told me that... :-) Better a Sunuvagun than a Son Of a Beeper... :-) Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters, and all of them 1 KW or higher? Beep beep. LHA / WMD |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: "KØHB" Date: 6/18/2004 6:36 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: et "Len Over 21" wrote Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in any big-time radio communications experience. Sunuvagun! Not true, but hey, if it makes an old man feel good, let him think it... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all. You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!? Jesus Christ, NO... I am not Jesus Christ, Lennie...It's "Steve". Confused again...?!?! I am not surprised. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the archived mistruths of an ex radio technician parading about as an engineer, Leonard H. Anderson. Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? I didn't say "ever", Your Wimpiness. Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. Great. Then all those Amateurs who ARE interested in military communications DON'T have to depend on QST, et al to discuss them. A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] Sure it does. And "surplus" radio gear has NOT been the preferred method of getting on the air by Amateurs for TWO DECADES....Not when folks can buy brand new, under warranty equipment for under $200. If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Perhaps if you HAD been reading those Amateur magazines you'd understand a bit more about what you are talking about. But you go right on ahead, Lennie... Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." Only you've tried to make it "secret". No, nursie did, way back when I first mentioned the SINCGARS in here plus the public availability of FM 24-24 of December 1994 (a compendium of signal equipment of all kinds, including HF radio sets, then in military inventory). Nursie claimed then - in broad generalities - he had "worked in military communications" but could not name ONE SET by either nomenclature or familiar name ANY of them. Claimed he could not talk about them due to not revealing military secrets or some rationalistic reason. Actually, my words then, as they are now, are that what I did in the Armed Forces have nothing to do with Amateur Communications. Just like YOUR "link" with Amateur Radio, Lennie, those "happenings" only shared the theoretical basics of radio wave generation and propagation. It's the application...not the physics...that separates you from the rest of us, Sir Scummy. Sucks to be you. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". From the archived lies of Leonard H. Anderson. That was 29 years ago, senior. That was 13 years ago, senior. If you're going to parody Spanish, Lennie, you should at least spell it correctly. The DSN (Digital Switched Network) ...(SNIP) Even more completely unrealted, off topic trivia from one who must hide behind it. Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you. Yes, it is. Too bad you can't share in it, eh...?!?! I am well acquainted with life. Nop, you're not. You are well acquainted with your PERCEPTION of it from behind textbooks and CRTs. Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST issues and ARRL handbooks. Yes, it does. I and others have pointed that out to you on numerous occassions and invited you to come out and try it. You've declined. Too much security in LennieLand. Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer. I HAVE been there in mid-summer...and late summer when it's actually worse. On several occassions. Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that except that visit concerned things like SID. Ahhhhhhhhhh.......I see. Someone else suggests some "security" issues and you try to denigrate them for it. You think you're promoting your "insiderness" and you wave it like a flag. No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get something somewhat close to correct...and in context. Yes...rife was correct and in context. You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over the last 51+ years. In other words, I hit the mark so close that you'll be dressing the wounds from the "collateral damage" for days. None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio. Radio is radio, regardless of the differentiation that mere human regulation makers make of its differences. Only in your mind, Lennie. If that assertion was so true, you'd have no basis for your OTHER rants that insist that Amateurs must spend thier time learning about "other" radio services. If "Radio is radio", your other assertions are baseless. The Pacific Stars & Stripes did not include a nice photo I made of the MARS antenna newly installed at Hardy Barracks in 1955. And they didn't use the pictures I had of the Loch Ness monster either, Lennie. "Dictating" what you said? Absolutely. You are outraged that anyone dare confront your ideas and fantasies with actual, real-life experiences. The same with several others in here. Why is it that all those "others" are focused on YOU, Lennie? Perhaps YOU are the one with the perception problems? That's a rhetorical question, of course. With absolutely NO experience in Amateur Radio, we know you have no informed, valid expereicen from which to base your comments. The dictatorial attitude is fairly common, done with heckling and name-calling and general denigration in an effort to make a poster stop writing. Weak intimidation. Works sometimes, but is not a guarantee of suppressing truth and reality. And therein lies the bane of your existence... Still having a hard time wondering why your "superior intellect" can't squash all those "lesser beings" with your infinite wisdom..... Too bad you can't objectively review what you just wrote against your conduct over the last several years. No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the service. ...by more and more manual telegraphy use, praising its supposed qualities, and generally getting into silly stuff about how it's so much "better" than any other mode. Note use of the word "service" again. Hmmmmmm....The FCC uses it to describe Amateur Radio. The Commissioners are not licensed Amateurs...Lord knows none of them hold ANY form of licensure by the FCC. YOU frequently point out the Commissioners status. Are you NOW telling us that the language used by those very same Commissioners is WRONG...?!?! Military surrogate use. Desire to make amateur radio much more than it is by trying to identify a hobby with military service. That's YOUR schtick, Lennie. Tsk, tsk. Lost focus. Nope. Never have. I encourge you to provide even ONE quote that supports your assertion to the contrary.... Heh heh heh. No, "encourage" is the wrong word. You CHALLENGE. You DEMAND. It would be a "challenge" to you, Lennie...In as much as the quotes you need do not exist. You all but hop up and down in spiteful hollering to try to divert the discussion. Nope...It's right on. You make all sorts of assinine assertions about Amateur Radio in general and some Amateurs in particular, then can NEVER back up your assertions. You make assertions of fact. I want you to validate them. You never do. You CLAIM to be a "radio professional". You are not now nor ever were anything of the kind. I don't resent your alleged engineering career, Lennie. I know several electronics engineers, and they are fine fellows who make meaningful contributions. I'm sure you have "Jewish best friends," too. I don't have to make such claims, Lennie. You seem to make a lot of them, though. You are NOT a fine fellow, and there's more than a few indicators that your "contribution" to radio communications were limited to your few articles sold to Ham Radio magazine. (No doubt a last resort in "getting published" since I am sure the professional journals cut you off at the knees.) You can check out McGraw-Hill's old biweekly Electronics and Designer's Casebook. You can check out Microcomputing, a former monthly for personal computerists. You can check out BYTE magazine as well as BYTE Books on articles concerning circuit simulation. All reviewed and accepted by others. But not accepted as "PROFESSIONAL" publishing. If you tried to pass off "credentials" like some hobbyist periodicals as "profesional publishing", you'd be laughed out of the IEEE. You want to make a Big Thing about Ham Radio Magainze going "defunct" back in 1990...even though HR was considered a leader in U.S. ham periodicals for technical information...which it was. The "defunction" was due to a shrinking ham advertising market already begun by 1990. That shrinking is even affecting QST. It hit 73 Magazine big time. Unlike QST which can get support from the ARRL membership monies, HR and 73 were independent publications whose entire income was derived by advertising. CQ is the same way and is barely hanging on. The "shrinking ham advertising" was due to a lack of support of consumers. No consumers = no advertising monies = defunct. Corporate advertisers do not spend thier advertising monies where it is not netting a reasonable return. If "Ham Radio" had been the marvel of publishing accomplishment you'd care to have us beleive, it would still be actively published instead of being polished and repackaged as a CD novelty. "73" lost it's readership because Wayne Green is a senile idiot who ran it into the ground...not once, but twice. And how many "QRP" and "antenna specials" can one magazine run in a year...?!?! And those "editiorials"...?!?! Sheeeesh! Talk about being the poster boy for "Paranoia Today".... Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Having nursie as a critic is like having a blind color coordinator for interior decoration. :-) Try to differentiate between "compliment" and "complement." In either use of either word, there is no professional historical documentation that would indicate that Leonard H. Anderson did anything other than sweep floors in ANY "aerospace" installation or facility. And as far as your "contributions" to Amateur Radio via your HR pieces, I find no occassion where your work was footnooted, included or otherwise madse part-and-parcel of any other paper or work. And I did look. Closely. Poor nursie...never could take an opposite opinion to his in here and is bitterly resentful to anyone who had spoken out in opposition to him. I am only "bitterly resentful" of pathological liars and persons who proactively seek to cause What am I "seeking to cause?" Sentence unfinished. Yep...I changed a sentence prior to "sending" and clipped it. Here's the full sentence: "I am only 'bitterly resentful' of pathological liars who proactively seek to cause harm to Amateur Radio for no other purpsoe than to sate his own ego". What are "pathological liars," nursie? You are a pathological liar, Lennie. You can't tell or acknowledge the truth. Your lying is habitual. Even when you DO quote or recite factual information, who can trust you? Nursie no gots da edumcation in sykology, sointanly ain't gots no certificates (suitable for framing, hanging on da wall) as a licensed shrink. No licensure as a mental health worker, Lennie. True. However I DO have certifications in Emergency Nursing, in and among which is included managing psychiatric emergencies. Which is one more than YOU have. And it's too bad YOU don't avail yourself of the "hum radio magazines". (Your true colors are showing, Scumbag.) A long-time radio amateur used to say "hum radio." And you are not a "long time radio amateur". Never were, and God willing, never will be. I find it QUITE "enlightening" to keep an eye on you. Nursie is OBSESSED. Is COMPELLED to mean-mouth others who go against his opinions. Nope...not "mean-mouth". Expose. As if it took any effort to do... And if you didn't post such foolishness, I wouldn't have anything to work with. HARDLY "obsessed". And I am still waiting for you to post your credentials to tell us what qualified you to make determinations as to what is or isn't "good mental health". Leafing through wifey's correspondence courses doesn't qulify. Sicko words are sicko words to lay people, nursie. Well, Lennie, I am neither "lay people", nor am I the "sicko" that you insinuate. And still waiting on your psychiatry credentials. Steve, K4YZ |
"Len Over 21" wrote Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters, and all of them 1 KW or higher? All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF, 30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30 transmitters, 1KW or larger. At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW (AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72). At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW (AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40). At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW (AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100). At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships, including 8 aircraft carriers. How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA operate? With all kind wishes, Hans Brakob Master Chief Radioman, US Navy |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Len Over 21" wrote Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters, and all of them 1 KW or higher? All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF, 30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30 transmitters, 1KW or larger. At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW (AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72). At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW (AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40). At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW (AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100). At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships, including 8 aircraft carriers. How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA operate? With all kind wishes, Hans Brakob Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Hello, Hans Most interesting, indeed. Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? Just curious. When you start talking 6 zeros in the power level, three zeroes *does* start to look pretty small time ;) Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 6/18/04 |
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In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? Among those that have been logged over the last week or so a 14396.4 kHz (they were .1 low) 14/1800 Jun UTC: SHARES exercise in support of GRECIAN FIREBOLT 2004. Check-in window #1 of 4 scheduled, each day at 1800-1900 UTC. Ctrl shared by: KGD34 ( NCC/Shares liason, VA), AFA4BR (Shares Coordination Station, Gulf Coast, Houston), DLA303 (SCS, Northwest, Defense Logistics Agency, WA.); Working: KOQ434 (US Customs, NC, possible SCS), KOQ636 (US Customs, ?), KDM52 (FAA, Memphis, TN), KHA925 (NASA, Johnson Space Flight Ctr, Houston), WGY908 (SCS, FEMA Region 8 Control, Denver, CO), KCR873 (USDA, Boise, ID, with traffic), Puerto Rico CAP 20, WNIC426 (Phone company/ NTA, IL), among others which were missed due to QSB. KGD 34 went to 14995.0 at 1830 with KCR 873, to receive the traffic. They were weak - message was copied by KGD 34 and passed successfully, but no copy here. ALE and PACTOR BBS check-ins are 24 hours daily for the duration. 5403.3 - Group HF with T, A and lots of others 8668.5 - This is a WHISKEY Air Defense battlegroup net with HOTEL WHISKEY as NCS. Simulated air attacks, with carrier strike package targeting track 3515, track 3515 being declared hostile, eventually with "splash two". Later, VICTOR wkg HW re strike package is feet dry. 8252.0 - BRAVO FOXTROT Net (USB) USN FOXTROT battlegroup net with BRAVO FOXTROT as NCS. The U.S. Navy's current exercise is named SUMMER PULSE 04 and will conclude in August, this involves having simultaneous deployment of seven aircraft carrier strike groups. The carriers involved are the Norfolk-based USS George Washington (CVN 73), the San Diego-based USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), the Yokosuka, Japan-based USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), the Mayport, Fla.-based USS John F Kennedy (CV 67), the Norfolk-based USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), the Norfolk-based USS Enterprise (CVN 65), and finally, the USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), which will conduct operations in the U.S. Northern Command and U.S. Southern Command theaters during the ship's interfleet transfer from Norfolk, Va., to its Pacific Fleet homeport of San Diego. When you consider that no carrier goes anywhere alone but instead has various mixtures of destroyers, cruisers, attack subs, and at least one ammo/oiler/supply ship in its CSG (Carrier Strike Groups are formed and disestablished on an as-needed basis; but while one may be different from another, all are comprised of similar types of ships), that's a heck of a lot of radio traffic, so I'm sure the freqs listed above only skim the surface. Conspicuous by their absence from the above freqs are freqs for LINK-11 (TADIL-A) voice coordination nets, for example. Needless to say, these guys can also change frequency at any time, and will according to mission requirements, propagation, QRM, and other considerations - including COMSEC. 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
Jim Hampton wrote: "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Len Over 21" wrote Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters, and all of them 1 KW or higher? All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF, 30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30 transmitters, 1KW or larger. At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW (AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72). At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW (AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40). At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW (AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100). At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships, including 8 aircraft carriers. How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA operate? With all kind wishes, Hans Brakob Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Hello, Hans Most interesting, indeed. Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? Just curious. When you start talking 6 zeros in the power level, three zeroes *does* start to look pretty small time ;) Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 6/18/04 QST had a story many years ago when the VLF station in Maine was first opened. I remember a picture of a man standing up inside the coax. Power was in the 2 Megawatt range. John |
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writes: "Len Over 21" wrote Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters, and all of them 1 KW or higher? All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF, 30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30 transmitters, 1KW or larger. At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW (AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72). At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW (AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40). At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW (AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100). At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships, including 8 aircraft carriers. How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA operate? None. ADA was/is an ARMY callsign. :-) ADA is presently the Headquarters call of the USARPAC (United States Army, Pacific) located at Fort Shafter, Hawaii. I have no idea what USARPAC is running on HF now. Left ADA in 1956...that's 48 years ago. The facilities of ADA were transferred to the USAF in 1963 (callsign changed, equipment the same) but the USAF closed that entire facility down in 1978. There's an "HF Department" of the 78th Signal Service Battalion stationed at Camp Zama, Japan, under the 516th Signal Brigade at Fort Shafter. I don't have any details on what the 78th has nor of any extensive "inventory." :-) Back in late 1954 the 40 KW Collins transmitter hadn't yet been given the military designation of AN/FRT-22. :-) For that matter, the 24-voice-channel GE microwave terminals (commercial) weren't given the "official" designation of AN/FRC-25...the "credential" for such importance consisting of sticking on a label on each of the six terminal racks' doors, thereby making it "military." :-) Those just kept on working into the USAF responsibility shift. ADA was never the biggest Army station, those facilities probably never the biggest USAF station after 1963. The ADA receiver site at Camp Owada was shared with the USAF in the 1950s and was described as the largest receiver site in the world at the time with pairs of rhombics for each circuit (space diversity with multicouplers and diversity adapters) and the whole works running 24/7. TTY Relay at Chuo Kogyo (later at Building 898, North Camp Drake) handled 220 thousand messages a month in 1955. Not the biggest since WAR (Washington Army Radio) TTY Relay handled 1.2 million a month in that same year. Except for some trials of mods, all the rest of the TTYs ran at 60 WPM rates. That was a half century ago. Times have changed. Some ideas of what the U.S. military does now, or even did back a half century ago are purely imaginary in the minds of those that weren't involved in military communications then or later. Yes, I was a corporal back a half century ago, a PFC before that, and the equivalent of today's SSGT afterwards, that as an operating team leader and later as a supervisor of microwave relay operations and maintenance. All in three years of that assignment. Thank you for mentioning it. :-) I could not dare to achieve any heights of greatness nor the nobility of purpose or excellence of the United States Navy in a short volunteer military active duty time of 4 years...not even in the reserves for 4 more...just army stuff, what an ex- murine called "radio clerk" things. :-) Thank you for the rendition of "Rancors Away..." :-) |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". From the archived lies of Leonard H. Anderson. Nursie isn't touching the "morse code test issue" is she? :-) Nursie wanna fight, curse, send nastygrams. :-) Must be more of that "meaningful dialogue" nursie thinks she is engaging in. :-) That was 29 years ago, senior. That was 13 years ago, senior. If you're going to parody Spanish, Lennie, you should at least spell it correctly. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie lost focus again, desperately trying to invent another nastygram. :-) I know it is difficult, but TRY to stay within a few light-years of the topics in context. The DSN (Digital Switched Network) ...(SNIP) Even more completely unrealted, off topic trivia from one who must hide behind it. The U.S. government doesn't have the DSN? tsk, tsk, tsk. DSN works very well. The "government's own internet" as one in government put it. I've communicated on it. [no license required] Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you. Yes, it is. Try to get out of the ham tunnel you inhabit. Too bad you can't share in it, eh...?!?! ? "Share" in your small tunnel? Your little imagination? I am well acquainted with life. More like death and destruction from appearances. You wish ill on all who oppose your opinions, even to the point of wishing them dead. Nursie wanna destroy anything anyone say about opposite opinions as if they are heretical or perverse. Not a healthy mind indicator to any lay person. Nop, you're not. You are well acquainted with your PERCEPTION of it from behind textbooks and CRTs. ...and behind radios. Actual radio communications. Sunnuvagun, how about that? Someone other than olde-tyme hammes using non-amateur radios for communications! [who would have thought of it? :-) ] Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST issues and ARRL handbooks. Yes, it does. I and others have pointed that out to you on numerous occassions and invited you to come out and try it. You've declined. Too much security in LennieLand. "Security?" Well, yes, I am secure but not in the sense of document security. :-) Ah yes, nursie's reality is rated "top sacred" in classification. :-) Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer. I HAVE been there in mid-summer...and late summer when it's actually worse. On several occassions. Of course you have. You've been everywhere that I've been. :-) It's all documented in this newsgroup. :-) Nursie has been to an HRO store "with buddies" even when it did not exist in a location. :-) Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that except that visit concerned things like SID. Ahhhhhhhhhh.......I see. Someone else suggests some "security" issues and you try to denigrate them for it. SID is an acronym for Seismic Intrusion Devices. RCA Corporation made a bunch of them for the "McNamara Wall" in Vietnam, circa 1973-1975. Neat little automatic devices reporting back (unattended) by radio to a "Portatale" (familiar name) receiver. Could sense footfalls and had internal sound processing to differentiate between four-footed and two-footed creatures. Did the two antennas for them, accurate pattern measurements on the first model, redesign to a "whip" type for the second model. That design is rather outdated now but SIDs are still used by the government. I really don't know how much information is still classified. What I've reported is from the public-release information from Defense Electronics magazine. Would make a cool variant on a super-tough-to-find "fox hunt" transmitter. :-) Transmitter stays silent until the stalker comes close. Sort of "role reversal" of the traditional game. It would make for very accurate "fox hunt" scoring, though. :-) You think you're promoting your "insiderness" and you wave it like a flag. Poor baby. Came all unglued for using an old acronym? :-( tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get something somewhat close to correct...and in context. Yes...rife was correct and in context. "Rife: (adj) 1. Widespread 2. Abounding (as with error)" Only in nursieworld where anything not according to nursie is "rife." :-) You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over the last 51+ years. In other words, I hit the mark so close that you'll be dressing the wounds from the "collateral damage" for days. tsk, tsk, tsk...only in nursie's unhealthy imagination, still living in the "hostile action" battlezone. :-) Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder resulting from no longer being issued a rifle to deal with "rife-ness." None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio. Radio is radio, regardless of the differentiation that mere human regulation makers make of its differences. Only in your mind, Lennie. Hardly. :-) The FCC knows this, other nations' radio regulating agencies know this, the rest of the radio world outside of olde- tyme hum radio knows this, academic institutions teaching physics knows this, etc., etc., etc. Nursieworld is all by itself, "a dimension of sight and sound... at the signpost up ahead...the Twilight Zone!" :-) If that assertion was so true, you'd have no basis for your OTHER rants that insist that Amateurs must spend thier time learning about "other" radio services. First, amateurs ought to know "thier" own radios...something beyond the front panel controls. Amateur radios work by the same physics as other radios! Sunnuvagun! A revelation to nursieworld! If "Radio is radio", your other assertions are baseless. Nurise is "right" and everyone else is "wrong." :-) Nursieworld still stuck in the Twilight Zone again. tsk, tsk. The Pacific Stars & Stripes did not include a nice photo I made of the MARS antenna newly installed at Hardy Barracks in 1955. And they didn't use the pictures I had of the Loch Ness monster either, Lennie. Nursie did an interview with Stars & Stripes? Where, when, for the Sunday comics section? [Stars & Stripes does have comic strips in case anyone wanted to venture into nursieworld imagination] "Dictating" what you said? Absolutely. You are outraged that anyone dare confront your ideas and fantasies with actual, real-life experiences. The same with several others in here. Why is it that all those "others" are focused on YOU, Lennie? "All?" :-) A few of the regulars in here who are of the same ilk as nursie, wanting to fight to the bitter end to preserve and protect olde-tyme hamme radio and manual telegraphy? Wait for the next Sermon on the Antenna Mount...soon to be preached by the good Rev. Perhaps YOU are the one with the perception problems? I haven't gotten the rose-colored glasses yet. Don't use any nursieworld kaleidoscopes...only oscilloscopes. :-) That's a rhetorical question, of course. With absolutely NO experience in Amateur Radio, we know you have no informed, valid expereicen from which to base your comments. "Expereicen?" New word? From Newington? Of course. Amateur radio is so vastly different from all other radio that one must be licensed and experienced (and be tested in manual telegraphy) to understand it. [according to nursie] Nurise hasn't done jack in any other radio service, only amateur, so that's her only basis. Oh wow, profound, that tunnel vision... The dictatorial attitude is fairly common, done with heckling and name-calling and general denigration in an effort to make a poster stop writing. Weak intimidation. Works sometimes, but is not a guarantee of suppressing truth and reality. And therein lies the bane of your existence... "Bane (n) 1. ruin, death, harm, or their cause 2. poison" So far, nursie is back on using quaint expressions involving all that death and destruction. Must be all that post-traumatic stress disorder from military life again...? Still having a hard time wondering why your "superior intellect" can't squash all those "lesser beings" with your infinite wisdom..... "Squash?" I'm not fond of squash. It's okay as food, but tasteless. A more proper word would be 'quash.' Two meanings - "Quash (vt) from the Latin 'cassus' To set aside (in law use) "Quash (vt) from the Latin 'quatere' To quell as in an uprising." [dictionary quoting a part of public service offered pro bono...] Too bad you can't objectively review what you just wrote against your conduct over the last several years. tsk, tsk, tsk...confused on the differences between "objective" and "subjective?" The dictionary is your friend. Get acquainted. Remember only nursie's alternate personalities live in nursieworld. It's all subjective in there... No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the service. ...by more and more manual telegraphy use, praising its supposed qualities, and generally getting into silly stuff about how it's so much "better" than any other mode. Note use of the word "service" again. Hmmmmmm....The FCC uses it to describe Amateur Radio. All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the term "service" is a regulatory word pertaining to a type and kind of radio activity being regulated. "Service" has many meanings (the dictionary IS your friend and you really need one). Amateur radio is no more of a military or national purpose "service" than Citizens Band Radio Service (Part 95, Title 47 C.F.R.). No one "enlists" in the amateur radio service although some actually do feel compelled to treat it like some military service! The Commissioners are not licensed Amateurs...Lord knows none of them hold ANY form of licensure by the FCC. YOU frequently point out the Commissioners status. tsk, tsk, tsk...why are you stoutly maintaining that anyone "involved" in amateur radio "must be licensed?" :-) Are you NOW telling us that the language used by those very same Commissioners is WRONG...?!?! All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the term "service" is a regulatory word pertaining to a type and kind of radio activity being regulated. Military surrogate use. Desire to make amateur radio much more than it is by trying to identify a hobby with military service. That's YOUR schtick, Lennie. ? I've been a civilian for 44 years after receiving my honorable discharge from the U.S. Army in 1960. [only one, honorable, not typed in on any DD-214 which I received in 1956] Tsk, tsk. Lost focus. Nope. Never have. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie keeps forgetting to take off the lens cap. ...and never loads any film. :-) Nope...It's right on. You make all sorts of assinine assertions about Amateur Radio in general and some Amateurs in particular, then can NEVER back up your assertions. You make assertions of fact. I want you to validate them. You never do. You CLAIM to be a "radio professional". You are not now nor ever were anything of the kind. Do you need those documents verified by a notary public and hand-delivered by bonded courier? :-) tsk, tsk, tsk...I've given my short-form resume in here along with living radio amateur references...and nursie never did check them out, only issuing spiteful, hated nastygrams. :-) "Professional (adj) Engaged in some sport or specific occupation for pay." [the dictionary can be your friend but nursie seems to want to fight with everyone...] If you tried to pass off "credentials" like some hobbyist periodicals as "profesional publishing", you'd be laughed out of the IEEE. Haven't been since first joining IEEE in 1973. One of my sponsors was Jim Hall, KD6JG. :-) ["sunnavagun" as the super chief is fond of saying...:-) ] The "shrinking ham advertising" was due to a lack of support of consumers. No consumers = no advertising monies = defunct. Corporate advertisers do not spend thier advertising monies where it is not netting a reasonable return. You are close, but you've failed Business Economics 101. The "shrinking ham advertising" is due to a lack of SPENDING for advertising by manufacturers and services in periodicals. Advertising is basically the same regardless of the product or service. It is a means to induce potential buyers of a particular product or service. Most periodicals in the USA exist solely on the basis of advertising space sales income. When advertisers do not purchase advertising space in periodicals, that periodical has less revenue. [I hope you've understood that basic rule so far...] Note this carefully: The purchase of advertising space has little directly to do with "consumers." Some products and services can continue with an absolute minimal amount of advertising. If "Ham Radio" had been the marvel of publishing accomplishment you'd care to have us beleive, it would still be actively published instead of being polished and repackaged as a CD novelty. HR existed for 22 years as an independent periodical, even spun off "Ham Radio Horizons." It started up as an independent, continued as an independent. No support was needed by any membership organization budget such as QST. HR was considered the prime technical periodical for amateur radio by radio amateurs when it was in its 22 year span. That was stated by many, many radio amateurs. Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Having nursie as a critic is like having a blind color coordinator for interior decoration. :-) Try to differentiate between "compliment" and "complement." In either use of either word, there is no professional historical documentation that would indicate that Leonard H. Anderson did anything other than sweep floors in ANY "aerospace" installation or facility. tsk, tsk, tsk...personnel records of employees are not normally found in "professional historical documentation." :-) Those can be verified by personnel departments (now called "human resources"). And as far as your "contributions" to Amateur Radio via your HR pieces, I find no occassion where your work was footnooted, included or otherwise madse part-and-parcel of any other paper or work. "Footnoot?" "Madse?" :-) And I did look. Closely. Total bull**** by nursie. :-) :-) :-) On the other hand, maybe a sign of an impending vision problem. Having to look closely at written text may be an indication that an eye examination is required, perhaps for corrective lenses. See an opthalmologist or optometrist in addition to a mental therapist. Here's the full sentence: "I am only 'bitterly resentful' of pathological liars who proactively seek to cause harm to Amateur Radio for no other purpsoe than to sate his own ego". You'll hate yourself in the morning. :-) [every morning] You are a pathological liar, Lennie. You can't tell or acknowledge the truth. Your lying is habitual. Even when you DO quote or recite factual information, who can trust you? Then how do you know anything I write is "factual" if everything is a "lie?" :-) Just another "meaningful discourse" nastygram from nursie. And you are not a "long time radio amateur". Never were, and God willing, never will be. tsk, tsk, tsk...that's not the way to get a PR job with ARRL...:-) Expose. As if it took any effort to do... tsk, tsk, tsk...remember the lens cap is still on and you didn't load any film... :-) And if you didn't post such foolishness, I wouldn't have anything to work with. HARDLY "obsessed". Your obsession was just admitted. Seek help with that disorder. Well, Lennie, I am neither "lay people", nor am I the "sicko" that you insinuate. I didn't "insinuate." I stated it directly. You are obsessed with trying to fight with newsgroup communicators who don't agree with you. You defy social convention in acting the sociopath to all who don't share your viewpoints. That's a sick attitude to anyone, with or without "credentials." Get help. LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the archived mistruths of an ex radio technician parading about as an engineer, Leonard H. Anderson. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Nursie be here to just FIGHT anyone not thinking like nursie. :-) Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? I didn't say "ever", Your Wimpiness. tsk, tsk, tsk. [lower-case comment as befits lower-case nursie] Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. Great. Then all those Amateurs who ARE interested in military communications DON'T have to depend on QST, et al to discuss them. ...and nursie thinks amateur radio is exclusive, different from all other radio. :-) Did nursie ever bother to check out other radio services (other than the CBs he saw shrink-wrapped at Wal-Mart)? A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] Sure it does. And "surplus" radio gear has NOT been the preferred method of getting on the air by Amateurs for TWO DECADES....Not when folks can buy brand new, under warranty equipment for under $200. Tsk, tsk, tsk. For a nearly-fifty "olde-tyme" hamme nursie sure doesn't know much about surplus. :-) If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Perhaps if you HAD been reading those Amateur magazines you'd understand a bit more about what you are talking about. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie imagines others' worlds and doings instead of finding out. But you go right on ahead, Lennie... tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie getting on high horse again, forgetting which end is head and which is tail. :-) Nursie hasn't been able to stop many, despite his shouting, hollering, cursing, and threatening. :-) Actually, my words then, as they are now, are that what I did in the Armed Forces have nothing to do with Amateur Communications. Just like YOUR "link" with Amateur Radio, Lennie, those "happenings" only shared the theoretical basics of radio wave generation and propagation. tsk, tsk, tsk...translated, nursie never did any military communications at all (except maybe to use the day room telephone). :-) Nursie was involved too much in those "hostile actions" in the military. Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder thing showing in his postings... It's the application...not the physics...that separates you from the rest of us, Sir Scummy. tsk, tsk, tsk...more "meaningful discourse" from nursie? :-) Sucks to be you. Only when I use either of the two Hoover appliances here. :-) Or the solder-sucker on the bench. :-) The melting point of solder is well below the temper temperature of nursie...easier to suck up melted solder than to put out the fires of outraged, angry egos such as nursie's... :-) I guess this must be all of what modern U.S. amateur radio is about...a bunch of mad-as-hell extras berating all the "lower classes." Nice hobby. For Huns and other barbarians...? LHA / WMD |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all. You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!? Jesus Christ, NO... I am not Jesus Christ, Lennie...It's "Steve". How about a close cousin to the Antichrist? :-) Confused again...?!?! I am not surprised. Poor baby. Still angry, outraged, and mean-spirited? A simple rejoinder about "walking on water" and nursie comes unglued. [there may not be an epoxy that will hold poor nursie together] :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: When you consider that no carrier goes anywhere alone but instead has various mixtures of destroyers, cruisers, attack subs, and at least one ammo/oiler/supply ship in its CSG (Carrier Strike Groups are formed and disestablished on an as-needed basis; but while one may be different from another, all are comprised of similar types of ships), that's a heck of a lot of radio traffic, so I'm sure the freqs listed above only skim the surface. Conspicuous by their absence from the above freqs are freqs for LINK-11 (TADIL-A) voice coordination nets, for example. Needless to say, these guys can also change frequency at any time, and will according to mission requirements, propagation, QRM, and other considerations - including COMSEC. Roger that, John, thanks. |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Len Over 21" wrote Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in any big-time radio communications experience. Sunuvagun! 73, de Hans, K0HB Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio! Hi, hi. |
"Jim Hampton" wrote Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? I don't know current QRO, but in the 70's the COMSUBLANT transmitter at Cutler was 1,700,000W on 15.9KHz and the COMSUBPAC transmitter at Jim Creek was 2,200,000W on 17.1KHz. The ELF site at Clam Lake is reportedly engineered for just under 1,000,000,000W at somewhere just above powerline QRG, 75Hz if I remember correctly. The antenna is just under 29 miles long. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". From the archived lies of Leonard H. Anderson. Nursie isn't touching the "morse code test issue" is she? :-) Len, please don't ask what he's touching. Nursie wanna fight, curse, send nastygrams. :-) Count cadence, count! Must be more of that "meaningful dialogue" nursie thinks she is engaging in. :-) "My boots are heavy, my chin strap's too tight..." That was 29 years ago, senior. That was 13 years ago, senior. If you're going to parody Spanish, Lennie, you should at least spell it correctly. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie lost focus again, desperately trying to invent another nastygram. :-) I know it is difficult, but TRY to stay within a few light-years of the topics in context. Give him latinobonics, "senyor." The DSN (Digital Switched Network) ...(SNIP) Even more completely unrealted, off topic trivia from one who must hide behind it. The U.S. government doesn't have the DSN? tsk, tsk, tsk. DSN works very well. The "government's own internet" as one in government put it. I've communicated on it. [no license required] ....Battle Hiram of the Republic playing on the PA. Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you. Yes, it is. Try to get out of the ham tunnel you inhabit. Too bad you can't share in it, eh...?!?! ? "Share" in your small tunnel? Your little imagination? I am well acquainted with life. More like death and destruction from appearances. You wish ill on all who oppose your opinions, even to the point of wishing them dead. Nursie wanna destroy anything anyone say about opposite opinions as if they are heretical or perverse. Not a healthy mind indicator to any lay person. Not healthy at all. Nop, you're not. You are well acquainted with your PERCEPTION of it from behind textbooks and CRTs. ...and behind radios. Actual radio communications. Sunnuvagun, how about that? Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio! Hi, hi. Someone other than olde-tyme hammes using non-amateur radios for communications! [who would have thought of it? :-) ] Just be sure that most of them are not LE. :)) Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST issues and ARRL handbooks. Yes, it does. I and others have pointed that out to you on numerous occassions and invited you to come out and try it. You've declined. Too much security in LennieLand. "Security?" Well, yes, I am secure but not in the sense of document security. :-) Never heard of "DocSec." Ah yes, nursie's reality is rated "top sacred" in classification. :-) Hiram has spoken. Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer. I HAVE been there in mid-summer...and late summer when it's actually worse. On several occassions. Of course you have. You've been everywhere that I've been. :-) I've never been there. What are their licensing requirements? It's all documented in this newsgroup. :-) Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." Nursie has been to an HRO store "with buddies" even when it did not exist in a location. :-) Magical. Maybe he got mushroom. Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that except that visit concerned things like SID. Ahhhhhhhhhh.......I see. Someone else suggests some "security" issues and you try to denigrate them for it. SID is an acronym for Seismic Intrusion Devices. RCA Corporation made a bunch of them for the "McNamara Wall" in Vietnam, circa 1973-1975. Neat little automatic devices reporting back (unattended) by radio to a "Portatale" (familiar name) receiver. Could sense footfalls and had internal sound processing to differentiate between four-footed and two-footed creatures. Did the two antennas for them, accurate pattern measurements on the first model, redesign to a "whip" type for the second model. That design is rather outdated now but SIDs are still used by the government. I really don't know how much information is still classified. What I've reported is from the public-release information from Defense Electronics magazine. Would make a cool variant on a super-tough-to-find "fox hunt" transmitter. :-) Transmitter stays silent until the stalker comes close. Sort of "role reversal" of the traditional game. It would make for very accurate "fox hunt" scoring, though. :-) "The Hunt for Tight Chin Strap!" You think you're promoting your "insiderness" and you wave it like a flag. Poor baby. Came all unglued for using an old acronym? :-( tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get something somewhat close to correct...and in context. Yes...rife was correct and in context. "Rife: (adj) 1. Widespread 2. Abounding (as with error)" Only in nursieworld where anything not according to nursie is "rife." :-) 1/2: Widespread Error. You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over the last 51+ years. In other words, I hit the mark so close that you'll be dressing the wounds from the "collateral damage" for days. tsk, tsk, tsk...only in nursie's unhealthy imagination, still living in the "hostile action" battlezone. :-) "Fire for Effect!" Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder resulting from no longer being issued a rifle to deal with "rife-ness." "My boots are heavy, My mind is rife..." Welp, he still got a handle on reality. None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio. Radio is radio, regardless of the differentiation that mere human regulation makers make of its differences. Only in your mind, Lennie. Hardly. :-) The FCC knows this, other nations' radio regulating agencies know this, the rest of the radio world outside of olde- tyme hum radio knows this, academic institutions teaching physics knows this, etc., etc., etc. Nursieworld is all by itself, "a dimension of sight and sound... at the signpost up ahead...the Twilight Zone!" :-) If that assertion was so true, you'd have no basis for your OTHER rants that insist that Amateurs must spend thier time learning about "other" radio services. First, amateurs ought to know "thier" own radios...something beyond the front panel controls. Amateur radios work by the same physics as other radios! Sunnuvagun! A revelation to nursieworld! If "Radio is radio", your other assertions are baseless. Nurise is "right" and everyone else is "wrong." :-) Nursieworld still stuck in the Twilight Zone again. tsk, tsk. The Pacific Stars & Stripes did not include a nice photo I made of the MARS antenna newly installed at Hardy Barracks in 1955. And they didn't use the pictures I had of the Loch Ness monster either, Lennie. Nursie did an interview with Stars & Stripes? Where, when, for the Sunday comics section? [Stars & Stripes does have comic strips in case anyone wanted to venture into nursieworld imagination] "Dictating" what you said? Absolutely. You are outraged that anyone dare confront your ideas and fantasies with actual, real-life experiences. The same with several others in here. Why is it that all those "others" are focused on YOU, Lennie? "All?" :-) A few of the regulars in here who are of the same ilk as nursie, wanting to fight to the bitter end to preserve and protect olde-tyme hamme radio and manual telegraphy? Wait for the next Sermon on the Antenna Mount...soon to be preached by the good Rev. Perhaps YOU are the one with the perception problems? I haven't gotten the rose-colored glasses yet. Don't use any nursieworld kaleidoscopes...only oscilloscopes. :-) That's a rhetorical question, of course. With absolutely NO experience in Amateur Radio, we know you have no informed, valid expereicen from which to base your comments. "Expereicen?" New word? From Newington? Of course. Amateur radio is so vastly different from all other radio that one must be licensed and experienced (and be tested in manual telegraphy) to understand it. [according to nursie] Nurise hasn't done jack in any other radio service, only amateur, so that's her only basis. Oh wow, profound, that tunnel vision... The dictatorial attitude is fairly common, done with heckling and name-calling and general denigration in an effort to make a poster stop writing. Weak intimidation. Works sometimes, but is not a guarantee of suppressing truth and reality. And therein lies the bane of your existence... "Bane (n) 1. ruin, death, harm, or their cause 2. poison" So far, nursie is back on using quaint expressions involving all that death and destruction. Must be all that post-traumatic stress disorder from military life again...? Still having a hard time wondering why your "superior intellect" can't squash all those "lesser beings" with your infinite wisdom..... "Squash?" I'm not fond of squash. It's okay as food, but tasteless. A more proper word would be 'quash.' Two meanings - "Quash (vt) from the Latin 'cassus' To set aside (in law use) "Quash (vt) from the Latin 'quatere' To quell as in an uprising." [dictionary quoting a part of public service offered pro bono...] Too bad you can't objectively review what you just wrote against your conduct over the last several years. tsk, tsk, tsk...confused on the differences between "objective" and "subjective?" The dictionary is your friend. Get acquainted. Remember only nursie's alternate personalities live in nursieworld. It's all subjective in there... No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the service. ...by more and more manual telegraphy use, praising its supposed qualities, and generally getting into silly stuff about how it's so much "better" than any other mode. Note use of the word "service" again. Hmmmmmm....The FCC uses it to describe Amateur Radio. All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the term "service" is a regulatory word pertaining to a type and kind of radio activity being regulated. "Service" has many meanings (the dictionary IS your friend and you really need one). Amateur radio is no more of a military or national purpose "service" than Citizens Band Radio Service (Part 95, Title 47 C.F.R.). No one "enlists" in the amateur radio service although some actually do feel compelled to treat it like some military service! The Commissioners are not licensed Amateurs...Lord knows none of them hold ANY form of licensure by the FCC. YOU frequently point out the Commissioners status. tsk, tsk, tsk...why are you stoutly maintaining that anyone "involved" in amateur radio "must be licensed?" :-) Are you NOW telling us that the language used by those very same Commissioners is WRONG...?!?! All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the term "service" is a regulatory word pertaining to a type and kind of radio activity being regulated. Military surrogate use. Desire to make amateur radio much more than it is by trying to identify a hobby with military service. That's YOUR schtick, Lennie. ? I've been a civilian for 44 years after receiving my honorable discharge from the U.S. Army in 1960. [only one, honorable, not typed in on any DD-214 which I received in 1956] Tsk, tsk. Lost focus. Nope. Never have. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie keeps forgetting to take off the lens cap. ...and never loads any film. :-) Nope...It's right on. You make all sorts of assinine assertions about Amateur Radio in general and some Amateurs in particular, then can NEVER back up your assertions. You make assertions of fact. I want you to validate them. You never do. You CLAIM to be a "radio professional". You are not now nor ever were anything of the kind. Do you need those documents verified by a notary public and hand-delivered by bonded courier? :-) tsk, tsk, tsk...I've given my short-form resume in here along with living radio amateur references...and nursie never did check them out, only issuing spiteful, hated nastygrams. :-) "Professional (adj) Engaged in some sport or specific occupation for pay." [the dictionary can be your friend but nursie seems to want to fight with everyone...] If you tried to pass off "credentials" like some hobbyist periodicals as "profesional publishing", you'd be laughed out of the IEEE. Haven't been since first joining IEEE in 1973. One of my sponsors was Jim Hall, KD6JG. :-) ["sunnavagun" as the super chief is fond of saying...:-) ] The "shrinking ham advertising" was due to a lack of support of consumers. No consumers = no advertising monies = defunct. Corporate advertisers do not spend thier advertising monies where it is not netting a reasonable return. You are close, but you've failed Business Economics 101. The "shrinking ham advertising" is due to a lack of SPENDING for advertising by manufacturers and services in periodicals. Advertising is basically the same regardless of the product or service. It is a means to induce potential buyers of a particular product or service. Most periodicals in the USA exist solely on the basis of advertising space sales income. When advertisers do not purchase advertising space in periodicals, that periodical has less revenue. [I hope you've understood that basic rule so far...] Note this carefully: The purchase of advertising space has little directly to do with "consumers." Some products and services can continue with an absolute minimal amount of advertising. If "Ham Radio" had been the marvel of publishing accomplishment you'd care to have us beleive, it would still be actively published instead of being polished and repackaged as a CD novelty. HR existed for 22 years as an independent periodical, even spun off "Ham Radio Horizons." It started up as an independent, continued as an independent. No support was needed by any membership organization budget such as QST. HR was considered the prime technical periodical for amateur radio by radio amateurs when it was in its 22 year span. That was stated by many, many radio amateurs. Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Having nursie as a critic is like having a blind color coordinator for interior decoration. :-) Try to differentiate between "compliment" and "complement." In either use of either word, there is no professional historical documentation that would indicate that Leonard H. Anderson did anything other than sweep floors in ANY "aerospace" installation or facility. tsk, tsk, tsk...personnel records of employees are not normally found in "professional historical documentation." :-) Those can be verified by personnel departments (now called "human resources"). And as far as your "contributions" to Amateur Radio via your HR pieces, I find no occassion where your work was footnooted, included or otherwise madse part-and-parcel of any other paper or work. "Footnoot?" "Madse?" :-) And I did look. Closely. Total bull**** by nursie. :-) :-) :-) On the other hand, maybe a sign of an impending vision problem. Having to look closely at written text may be an indication that an eye examination is required, perhaps for corrective lenses. See an opthalmologist or optometrist in addition to a mental therapist. Here's the full sentence: "I am only 'bitterly resentful' of pathological liars who proactively seek to cause harm to Amateur Radio for no other purpsoe than to sate his own ego". You'll hate yourself in the morning. :-) [every morning] You are a pathological liar, Lennie. You can't tell or acknowledge the truth. Your lying is habitual. Even when you DO quote or recite factual information, who can trust you? Then how do you know anything I write is "factual" if everything is a "lie?" :-) Just another "meaningful discourse" nastygram from nursie. And you are not a "long time radio amateur". Never were, and God willing, never will be. tsk, tsk, tsk...that's not the way to get a PR job with ARRL...:-) Expose. As if it took any effort to do... tsk, tsk, tsk...remember the lens cap is still on and you didn't load any film... :-) And if you didn't post such foolishness, I wouldn't have anything to work with. HARDLY "obsessed". Your obsession was just admitted. Seek help with that disorder. Well, Lennie, I am neither "lay people", nor am I the "sicko" that you insinuate. I didn't "insinuate." I stated it directly. You are obsessed with trying to fight with newsgroup communicators who don't agree with you. You defy social convention in acting the sociopath to all who don't share your viewpoints. That's a sick attitude to anyone, with or without "credentials." Get help. LHA / WMD |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". From the archived lies of Leonard H. Anderson. Nursie isn't touching the "morse code test issue" is she? :-) Len, please don't ask what he's touching. I think we all know 'what' when he be posting here... :-) Nursie wanna fight, curse, send nastygrams. :-) Count cadence, count! A little close-order Dill on the quadrangle by the Dill Instructor. We are all "maggots" but him. :-) Must be more of that "meaningful dialogue" nursie thinks she is engaging in. :-) "My boots are heavy, my chin strap's too tight..." Not to mention getting a MILITARY handset for that SG-2020 in a paramilitary configuration! :-) That was 29 years ago, senior. That was 13 years ago, senior. If you're going to parody Spanish, Lennie, you should at least spell it correctly. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie lost focus again, desperately trying to invent another nastygram. :-) I know it is difficult, but TRY to stay within a few light-years of the topics in context. Give him latinobonics, "senyor." Nah. His jump boots are laced too tight and the campaign hat fits too snug. Insufficient blood flow to the brain to allow foreign concepts. [I used that term in here before, in reference to those "old farts" that want to go on and on about glorious morse, the first love of their lives...] The DSN (Digital Switched Network) ...(SNIP) Even more completely unrealted, off topic trivia from one who must hide behind it. The U.S. government doesn't have the DSN? tsk, tsk, tsk. DSN works very well. The "government's own internet" as one in government put it. I've communicated on it. [no license required] ...Battle Hiram of the Republic playing on the PA. Har! :-) Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you. Yes, it is. Try to get out of the ham tunnel you inhabit. Too bad you can't share in it, eh...?!?! ? "Share" in your small tunnel? Your little imagination? I am well acquainted with life. More like death and destruction from appearances. You wish ill on all who oppose your opinions, even to the point of wishing them dead. Nursie wanna destroy anything anyone say about opposite opinions as if they are heretical or perverse. Not a healthy mind indicator to any lay person. Not healthy at all. But nursie be a documented, certificated "extra" (with a license suitable for framing), therefore "knows" all about hum radio. Nop, you're not. You are well acquainted with your PERCEPTION of it from behind textbooks and CRTs. ...and behind radios. Actual radio communications. Sunnuvagun, how about that? Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio! Hi, hi. Must be a homeland defense radio exercise going on...Tennessee Thudbolt 2004. Maybe John has heard some of that? [sorry, John, no offense...] Someone other than olde-tyme hammes using non-amateur radios for communications! [who would have thought of it? :-) ] Just be sure that most of them are not LE. :)) :-) Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST issues and ARRL handbooks. Yes, it does. I and others have pointed that out to you on numerous occassions and invited you to come out and try it. You've declined. Too much security in LennieLand. "Security?" Well, yes, I am secure but not in the sense of document security. :-) Never heard of "DocSec." The stuff with the pretty borders on the heavy cover sheet, always kept in a secure filing cabinet with double locks on it. You know... "Newington Confidential, Secret (because no one knows about it), and Top Sacred (all about morse code being epitome, etc.)." I didn't mention "Q Clearance" because that is NOT about Q Codes. Ah yes, nursie's reality is rated "top sacred" in classification. :-) Hiram has spoken. See? He got cleared for "top." Problem is, to get a "top" requires a background check. Guvmint ain't letting out info from the background investigation... Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer. I HAVE been there in mid-summer...and late summer when it's actually worse. On several occassions. Of course you have. You've been everywhere that I've been. :-) I've never been there. What are their licensing requirements? Intelligence needed. :-) It's all documented in this newsgroup. :-) Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] Nursie has been to an HRO store "with buddies" even when it did not exist in a location. :-) Magical. Maybe he got mushroom. Peyote. Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that except that visit concerned things like SID. Ahhhhhhhhhh.......I see. Someone else suggests some "security" issues and you try to denigrate them for it. SID is an acronym for Seismic Intrusion Devices. RCA Corporation made a bunch of them for the "McNamara Wall" in Vietnam, circa 1973-1975. Neat little automatic devices reporting back (unattended) by radio to a "Portatale" (familiar name) receiver. Could sense footfalls and had internal sound processing to differentiate between four-footed and two-footed creatures. Did the two antennas for them, accurate pattern measurements on the first model, redesign to a "whip" type for the second model. That design is rather outdated now but SIDs are still used by the government. I really don't know how much information is still classified. What I've reported is from the public-release information from Defense Electronics magazine. Would make a cool variant on a super-tough-to-find "fox hunt" transmitter. :-) Transmitter stays silent until the stalker comes close. Sort of "role reversal" of the traditional game. It would make for very accurate "fox hunt" scoring, though. :-) "The Hunt for Tight Chin Strap!" You think you're promoting your "insiderness" and you wave it like a flag. Poor baby. Came all unglued for using an old acronym? :-( tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get something somewhat close to correct...and in context. Yes...rife was correct and in context. "Rife: (adj) 1. Widespread 2. Abounding (as with error)" Only in nursieworld where anything not according to nursie is "rife." :-) 1/2: Widespread Error. He have riferong mistakes. You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over the last 51+ years. In other words, I hit the mark so close that you'll be dressing the wounds from the "collateral damage" for days. tsk, tsk, tsk...only in nursie's unhealthy imagination, still living in the "hostile action" battlezone. :-) "Fire for Effect!" BASS...breath, aim, sight, squeeeeeeze... He a big shot. "A few ounces of pressure," etc. Not much needed for him to shoot off his mouth...or keyboard. Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder resulting from no longer being issued a rifle to deal with "rife-ness." "My boots are heavy, My mind is rife..." Welp, he still got a handle on reality. I think the handle came loose a long time ago. LHA / WMD |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/19/2004 2:16 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 19 Jun 2004 05:57:47 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? Among those that have been logged over the last week or so a...(SNIPPED) Very interesting. I note only one MARS callsign there, and it's NOT a facility callsign. Rather it's one assigned to an individual (read that "licensed Amateur"). Guess all those "professional" MARS operators were taking a break. I am curious about the German callsign that John attributes to being in Washington state? A typo...?!?! I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/19/2004 4:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all. You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!? Jesus Christ, NO... I am not Jesus Christ, Lennie...It's "Steve". How about a close cousin to the Antichrist? I am sure you wish it were true. Confused again...?!?! I am not surprised. Poor baby. Still angry, outraged, and mean-spirited? I am not being mean spirited by pointing out your errors, Lennie. Why do you disdain them? They're yours, afterall! Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/19/2004 4:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The melting point of solder is well below the temper temperature of nursie...easier to suck up melted solder than to put out the fires of outraged, angry egos such as nursie's. "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard H. Anderson, alleged engineer and proven pathological liar. I guess this must be all of what modern U.S. amateur radio is about...a bunch of mad-as-hell extras berating all the "lower classes." Nice hobby. For Huns and other barbarians...? All the nicer without a lying, disgraceful ex-technician who thinks he knows better NOT in it, Lennie... That would be you, byt the way... Sucks to be you...again. Steve, K4YZ |
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