Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/8/2004 7:58 PM Central Standard Time
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There's a glaring example of the blind leading the blind!


Steve, K4YZ

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/9/2004 7:51 AM Central Standard Time
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Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Now if we can get YOU to develop a sense of honesty...........

Steve, K4YZ

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

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N2EY wrote:


In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)


Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?



It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.



Here's the original post:


http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001553%40mb-m1
8.aol.com&output=gplain

oh - btw, while on the space exploration thing...

I have no doubt that it's technically feasible to go back to the Moon,
establish a base there, and even to go to Mars. I have high cofidence that all
of the technical problems could be solved. It's just very expensive.

The problem isn't one of engineering - it's one of public policy. And such
problems are *not* to be left up to those "in the business".

Here's one way to go to Mars:

First, you need a lowcost method of getting things into earth orbit. The
"unmanned cargo space shuttle" idea is one way. Mass production of
purpose-designed dockets is another.

Second, a couple of unmanned supply ships are assembled in earth orbit. They're
unmanned because it's simpler to do it that way. There are a couple of them in
case one or two don;t make the journey intact.

Third, as soon as the supply ships are ready, they are launched towards Mars.
It may take them years to get there but it's of no consequence because they are
unmanned.

Fourth, a duo or trio of manned Mars ships are assembled in earth orbit.
There's more than one of them in case trouble develops. These ships carry only
people and the essential supplies for the trip. The landers and Mars surface
equipment are on the supply ships. This is done to reduce the weight of the
manned ships. They're "hot rods" in that they are designed primarily for speed.
They're launched towards Mars at the optimum time for a minimum-time trip. They
go to Mars, rendezvous with the supply ships and then the landers on the supply
ships go down to the Martian surface. When the surface mission is done, the
astronauts get back in the manned ships and come home.

I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be -
astronomical.

Sounds like the good way to do it.



but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art",

Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios.
It's all good!


I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube transmitter...and
what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it...

And that is great. Tubes were pretty much out of the mainstream when I
got involved in electronics, so it isn't a Electro-Luddite thing for me.
They are simply cool.


how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.


It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful.

Its all good.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message
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N2EY wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?

It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001553%40mb-m1
8.aol.com&output=gplain

oh - btw, while on the space exploration thing...

Oh, BTW, this is NOT the "space exploration newsgroup." :-)

Does your amateur extra license cover "space exploration?"

Do you have lots of experience in the space business? [you
don't need any because you have that HAM license, right?]

Are you rated for "200-4?" [you don't need to have that since
you can do 20+ WPM morse...]

Ever been in an MRB? Used JAN TX parts? Wear full bunny
suits? Have to work in a "Class 100" room. Did you ever elmer
a gantry? Of course you did. Just like you counted all the beans
on the financial part of space contract proposals. No problem, you
have your old ham extra to furnish all your "qualifications."

I have no doubt that it's technically feasible to go back to the Moon,
establish a base there, and even to go to Mars. I have high cofidence that all
of the technical problems could be solved. It's just very expensive.

Now don't you worry none about this pesky little details. The League
will solve all of them and publish lots of books about it. Piece of cake.

The problem isn't one of engineering - it's one of public policy. And such
problems are *not* to be left up to those "in the business".

Riiiiiiight. And no one, absolutely NO ONE, can possibly talk about
removing the morse code test from U.S. amateur radio UNLESS they
have ALREADY TAKEN AND PASSED SUCH A TEST!!!!! :-)

Here's one way to go to Mars:

First, you need a lowcost method of getting things into earth orbit. The
"unmanned cargo space shuttle" idea is one way. Mass production of
purpose-designed dockets is another.

"Purpose-designed dockets?"

The "way to space" is by legal papers?!?!?

Second, a couple of unmanned supply ships are assembled in earth orbit.
They're
unmanned because it's simpler to do it that way. There are a couple of them in
case one or two don;t make the journey intact.

Riiiiight...telemeter them through morse code...that "gets through when
nuthin else will..."

Third, as soon as the supply ships are ready, they are launched towards Mars.
It may take them years to get there but it's of no consequence because they
are unmanned.

...and unwomanned. :-)

skip

How many times do we get to view this REHASH of OLD ideas, Jimmie?

You have NO new ideas.

All you do on "space exploration" is repeat others' words on it.

NO NEW IDEAS on space. Tsk, tsk.

Oh, and BTW, this is NOT the "space exploration newsgrope."

If you are wondering why the League's Interplanetary Buro hasn't
confirmed your Martian contacts, message them direct via NTS.
[by the time it gets through, someone else will have FTL...:-) ]

"Engage..." Star Trek theme in BG

LHA / WMD

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This is one weird group of licensed amateur extra regulars!

To say the least. Did you pick up on the new thread where someone
asked if a person works in the industry and has a commercial
license,
would he be welcomed at a ham radio club meeting?

Yes. What wasn't mentioned was the demand that non-amateur
radio hobbyists MUST drink from different fountains and use the
"special" restrooms. :-)

Welp, if they were available, I'd use them too. Some kind of
fanatical rabid love of code develops after drinking from the Chalice
of Morse.

An epiphany strikes?

If it strikes the Yell Yell Marine, he's got the right to use lethal
force.

Not quite the epiphany I had in mind.

He would perceive it that way. If he didn't, he'd have to think
something nice about it, and since you made the suggestion...

Yell-Yell cannot stand certain suggestions. :-)

Those suggestions are ALWAYS bad if they come from
certain folks. QED.

According to Yell Yell, nobody, absolutely NO ONE can possibly
know a damn thing about amateur radio without passing a little
test, receiving the nice piece of paper with a fancy border (suitable
for framing), and then coming on like a Dill Instructor with a mouth
full of pickle.

Even guys without any "service time" get to claim "real military
experience" because they passed the amateur test.

I like the case of the guy shooting bears for naval intelligence. :-)

Apparently, one gets a Full Knowledge (or something like that) on
receiving that call sign. Perhaps a subtle divine voice from on high
that imparts all the smarts on hum raddio to the fully licensed?

Just like Edgar Casey.

Like Cayce and dozens of other self-appointed "judges" of all.

[watch...all the PCTAs came out of the woodwork to "correct" you
on that name... :-) ]

Poor guy can't separate the reality from his murine fantasy of the
"amateur corps."

"Seven Hostile Dits"

More like: Seven Hostile Ditz. :-)

"The chalice with the keyer has the brew that is true,
the chalice with the mike has the brew that is peew!"

- from the motion picture "The Morse Jester" starring Danny Kode.

Danny Kode was superb. Alas, they are making color movies today.

Morse is colorless.

And odorless. It requires a detector.

Right! But no electricity..."morse gets through when nothing else do."

I think morse is also tasteless. No emotion conveyed beyond the
usual stock phrase abbreviations. Can't even laugh right. Hi hi.

It fits. Morse is 160 years old. Didn't even
have motion pictures back in 1844.

But, according to Yell Yell and his kin, ALL amateurs MUST know
morse to gain "the true knowledge" on passing the Test. For a hobby
activity.

It's like the base hobby shop. You have to get signed off on -all- of
the equipment or they won't let you in. All except for the phone
equipment, the rtty equipment, the sstv equipment, the psk31
equipment, the satellite equipment, the...

Your base had a hobby shop? [ :-( ]

There's lots of ANGER floating around the newsgripe...yelling and
yelling at those who didn't do EXACTLY like the Kodies did or
embrace "the service" like it was a murine corps.

And all that spittle with all that yelling.

Maybe that was what Mike was thinking about when he wanted to
talk all about desalinization in this thread?


They care more about their "honor" in telling fibs of their
exploits
then get totally pished at others who have had truthful
experience beyond the limitations of Part 97. Fantasyland at
times! :-)

It's all just a matter of ego.

NO!? Say it isn't so... :-)

Yup. Sad but true.

I am disheartened. snif :-)

BPL-PLC will mean an END to low-level signal reception on HF
and
low VHF in urban areas but the licensed amateur extras in here
just want to FIGHT with anyone who challenges their mighty
words.

Not to worry. Morse always gets thru.

Right! That's why all the other radio services rely on morse!
:-)

They may have to. And amateur radio operators will lead the way to
salvation.

The Army? ["it's a Service!!!" :-) ]

W1AW will be on the AM boradcast band, but in CW. Everyone will be
standing in line to have a bfo installed in their
Pioneer/Kenwood/Panasonic car stereos.

Riiiiiight. :-)

No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it.

Cayce. [watch the PCTA purists jump in on that surname...they are
all very knowledgeable about Edgar Cayce... :-) ]




They won't DO anything against the already-here problem of HF
pollution but they want to destroy anyone not believeing in
their
fantasies of the religion of St. Hiram and the League-ionaires.

Just notice who's remaining in this sorry group.

Yes. Weiner von Brawn and his sidekick in PA. :-)

Wheiner (can be pronounced either "wee-ner" or "why-ner") keeps trying
to make friends.

Is THAT what the putzmacher is trying to do?!?!?

In a dysfunctional way. His only means.

There's at least two putzmachers in here. May the fnortz be with
them and their attempts at purity and ethnic cleansing.

Actuarial tables...

...but not enough chairs...

Isn't all so much fun to have a private "ham" chat room to talk
all
about the space program, national economics, traveling salesmen,
the educational system, and other assorted "ham interest" items?

And arguing with CBers. They impress people wherever they go. If
they don't immediately get the attention they think they deserve, they
thump their chests a few times to make their "achievements" more
visible. I really do wish the FCC would issue some kind of combat
infantry badge to these guys.

It's called "The Blue Riffle." Comes from riffling through lots of
QST
ads and product reviews, then portraying themselves as "expert"
radio heroes.

Ging once, going twice...

:-)

Even more bizarre is the on-going "discussion" between two
extras
who have NO experience in space travel talking all about Big
Issues
in Space...none of which concerns amateur radio policy! :-)

They've managed to combine "Missiles of October," and "October Sky."

Maybe one day they'll launch an Estes rocket and attain the altitude
of 1,200' AGL.

If either one cancels their Popular Science subscription, we won't
know the answers to all those profound questions of "ham interest"
policy problems.

Don't forget Popular Mechanics, and Popular Psychology. Ooops.
Scratch teh second one.

I think it's old NASA brochures and hand-outs of the 70s and 80s.
Those don't cost anything from a dump.

Like those old Air Force pubs Yell Yell was claiming I got my military
experience from. He probably reads them at every CAP meeting.

Yell Yell was a Murine. That sums it up.

All else are inferior...unless the else are code-tested extras. :-)

Brothers in Ditz and Duhs.

Well, time to celebrate the 4th coming up...and to worship at
the
Church of St. Hiram who invented radio and the vacuum tube,
etc.
:-)

Len

Never knew the man, but he is legend.

...celebrated in song and story forever, the founder of the
Service.
A real firecracker that put sparklers in the eyes of all
worshippers.
[shipping extra cost]

:-)



Kind of like the followers of Rev. Moon.

Oh, NO! Not "mooning" again! :-)

Sigmund Fraud will start making another libelous AOL Home Page
shouting and hollering all about "naked men" and "pornographic
images!!!" And, his favorite pejorative, "Liars!!!" :-)



That goes hand in hand with the code problem, except without the
peanut butter sandwiches.

"Peanut butter sandwiches?!?" :-)

I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like
the Rev. Moon does.

Okay...got the connection. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:


Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?

It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...00001553%40mb-
m18.aol.com&output=gplain

Hey, let's all go to Google and RELIVE the PAST diss-cushions in
here! What fun! :-)

Len doesn't exactly show good manners or professional behavior when
confronted by a differing opinion or information that proves him to be
mistaken.

For more of the same, Google that word with him as author.

Google EVERYTHING. Relive the past over and over and over and
over and over again.

Maybe by the zillionth time the walking wounded might score a hit.

[poor babies]

Of course, Len has no amateur radio experience, but he wants to
pontificate to us about How It Should Be in amateur radio.

But when you ask him how to fight the BPL

menace

he has no new ideas at all.

Lots of criticism of others on this point but no new ideas.

There ya go, Jimmie! Jimmie = ruler on what is "new idea!"

[poor baby...]


Most of all, note that Len tells us to

"Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts"

Shouldn't we do the same with BPL?

nope.

but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art",

Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios.

It's all good!

how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.

OOK CW is a REQUIREMENT of a "real" ham. :-)

The NTS is the "backbone" of modern transcontinental messaging.

"CW gets through when nothing else will!" :-)

All "real" hams LOVE the League. They MUST!


how we're not really
involved in emergency work,

hmm, I am. Plus whatever public service work that comes my way.

That's only valid when you have a "real" ham license! :-)

nor technical advancement, etc., etc.,
etc. He's also been consistently critical of ARRL, even to the point
of accusing them of fraud (with absolutely no evidence).

Yeah, I've read that. There are always some people that hate the big
dog in any kennel.

Do you lead a dog's life? [ arf? ] :-)


Also seems to think that I am somehow responsible for the posts of
others....

Now he seems to think we should know how to defeat BPL - even though
he doesn't.

Odd. Very odd.

High expectations for the 1930's standards people, eh?

Poor Jimmie, all stressed out by the slightest negative comment.

Retreats to Google to relive the past, hoping to snarl again and "win."

:-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

snippage

My guess is that it would come from electrolysis at hydropower or more
likely Nuc power plants. Dunno if it would be done at the same sites
where desalinization would (*will*) be happening. (welcome to your
future, California!)

Of course there will be environmental issues, such as what to do with
all the salt. Another biggie is that seawater electrolysis tends to
produce chlorine instead of oxygen:

http://www2.electrochem.org/cgi-bin/...g=204&abs=0710

Hard to argue that chlorine wouldn't be a pollutant. The anti
environmentalists might even agree on that one!

and using seawater is probably pretty important, because....

Who on earth is going to want to give up their fresh water? The left
coast?

Those snarled-at "left coast" people designed the first stage
rockets for Apollo. The "left coast" people designed the SSMEs
that push shuttle.

Who's snarling? People need water, and yer going to run out sometime,
unless the water sources decide to keep up with population growth. Since
it's unlikely that the present sources are going to expand, that leaves
desalinization. And in the content of what I'm talking about with Jim,
it isn't likely that the left coast is not going to want to give up
whatever fresh water they have.

Where's the "left coast" you are talking about?

What has water and desalinization to do with either the space biz
or amteur radio policy? [answer = nothing]

Hardly likely! They are the ones that are going to be surviving
on electrolysis in the future.

"Left coast" people are getting electrolysis treatments to remove
unwanted hair? I think not.

Try removing the internal hair and the left-brain, right-brain
thinking when talking about the coastal regions of the UNITED
States of America.

Washington, Oregon, and northern California have plentiful water.

East coast? We're so variable here, and
population is eventually simply going to limit fresh water supplies.

Washington, Oregon, and California are all on the WEST coast.

Alaska and Hawaii have lots of coasts, are more WEST than the
rest.


What has that got to do with amateur radio policy?

Note: The FCC does NOT regulate water.

BPL = Broadband over Power Lines, NOT over water lines.

No answer? Stymied for a Ham Chat Room comment? :-)

And just as I don't like biofuels, I think that using a substance that
people depend on for their lives like food and water means that some
terrible choices might have to be made in the future.

Put simply, if it isn't seawater, it isn't going to happen.

Are you one of those dihydrogen monoxide extremists?

Water you talking about? 8^)

Water ya have?

Take that to the dihydrogen monoxide conspiracy newsgroup.

Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Taken under advisement. Now I think I'll go back to discussing this
with Jim. Feel free to jump in the conversation any time if you like.

Jimmie don' lak no diss-cushion with non-hams. He walking wounded
from past diss-cushions. Tsk, tsk.

Jimmie don' wanna tawk 'bout BPL. He guru, big noise in grope.
Tawk all 'bout anyting else, millions of words. :-)

Jimmie got "new ideas?" Not so. Jimmie can't even stay on the
general subject of amateur radio. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be
astronomical.

Sounds like the good way to do it.

Of course it's not the only way, and just a layman's view.

Mars is a different proposition than the moon because it's so much farther
away. And unlike earth orbit, there's no escape nor quick resupply.

I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube
transmitter...and
what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it...

And that is great. Tubes were pretty much out of the mainstream when I
got involved in electronics, so it isn't a Electro-Luddite thing for me.

I entered EE school in the fall of 1972, and I think tubes were mentioned
exactly once in the coursework of all 4 years. The philosophy was that they
were similar enough to FETs that if you ever needed to know about them, you'd
be pretty close thinking of them as high-voltage FETs.

They are simply cool.

Yup.

how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.

It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful.

Its all good.

Exactly. But I think that really bothers some folks.

73 de Jim, N2EY

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:


Just like Edgar Casey.

No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it.

Edgar Cayce.

I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like
the Rev. Moon does.

No peanut butter, only Rev. Moon Pies.

Dave K8MN

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

I've had a sense of humor all along, "William". Glad to have provided
you with some theraputic treatment.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

You've been around here for that long, old timer. You haven't come up
with an amateur radio license of any class in that period.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

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(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it.

Cayce. [watch the PCTA purists jump in on that surname...they are
all very knowledgeable about Edgar Cayce... :-) ]

You're PCTA? You jumped on both of "William's" errors and I'm sure you
know more about Edgar Cayce than anyone one the planet. After all,
you're more knowledgeable about amateur radio, military communications,
space exploration and any number of other topics. You're a legend,
Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

You've been around here for that long, old timer. You haven't come up
with an amateur radio license of any class in that period.

Dave K8MN

Welp, I guess the development of humor was arrested. ;^)

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/10/2004 8:23 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

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(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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You two really are impressed with each other, aren't you...?!?!

Maybe it has something to do with Lennie's hand up underneath Brain's
skirt, or Brain's head firmly inserted into Lennie's rectum.

Sheeeesh!

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:


Just like Edgar Casey.

No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it.

Edgar Cayce.

I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like
the Rev. Moon does.

No peanut butter, only Rev. Moon Pies.

Dave K8MN

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

I've had a sense of humor all along, "William". Glad to have provided
you with some theraputic treatment.

Dave K8MN

Dave, you're hardly therapy. They say that "laughter is the best
medicine." You are merely amusing once every eight years.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

You've been around here for that long, old timer. You haven't come up
with an amateur radio license of any class in that period.

Dave K8MN

Welp, I guess the development of humor was arrested. ;^)

Whelp, it doesn't take a sense of humor to obtain an amateur radio
license. One has only to get off one's duff and overcome intertia.
Leonard talks about it, writes about it and thinks about it. He just
doesn't do anything about it. Until he does, he remains an armchair
quarterback.

Dave K8MN

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:


Just like Edgar Casey.

No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it.

Edgar Cayce.

I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like
the Rev. Moon does.

No peanut butter, only Rev. Moon Pies.

Dave K8MN

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

I've had a sense of humor all along, "William". Glad to have provided
you with some theraputic treatment.

Dave K8MN

Dave, you're hardly therapy. They say that "laughter is the best
medicine." You are merely amusing once every eight years.

That's terrible, "William". I find you constantly amusing.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:


Just like Edgar Casey.

No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it.

Edgar Cayce.

I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like
the Rev. Moon does.

No peanut butter, only Rev. Moon Pies.

Dave K8MN

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

I've had a sense of humor all along, "William". Glad to have provided
you with some theraputic treatment.

Dave K8MN

Dave, you're hardly therapy. They say that "laughter is the best
medicine." You are merely amusing once every eight years.

That's terrible, "William". I find you constantly amusing.

Dave K8MN

Welp, if I were "laugh out loud" funny, Steve would be in much better
mental health. You're only marginally better, but then you have
branch water.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

You've been around here for that long, old timer. You haven't come up
with an amateur radio license of any class in that period.

Dave K8MN

Welp, I guess the development of humor was arrested. ;^)

Whelp, it doesn't take a sense of humor to obtain an amateur radio
license. One has only to get off one's duff and overcome intertia.
Leonard talks about it, writes about it and thinks about it. He just
doesn't do anything about it. Until he does, he remains an armchair
quarterback.

That would be a great anology if this were football. Are we talking about football?

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/11/2004 6:42 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

William wrote:

Dave, you're hardly therapy. They say that "laughter is the best
medicine." You are merely amusing once every eight years.

That's terrible, "William". I find you constantly amusing.

Dave K8MN

Welp, if I were "laugh out loud" funny, Steve would be in much better
mental health. You're only marginally better, but then you have
branch water.

Oh, BRAIN! You underestimate your self ! ! !

Just the thought of someone like you running around thinking he's "OK"
all-the-while everyone's pointing and giggling behind your back is more than
enough to take the rough edges off my day!

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/11/2004 6:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

Whelp, it doesn't take a sense of humor to obtain an amateur radio
license. One has only to get off one's duff and overcome intertia.
Leonard talks about it, writes about it and thinks about it. He just
doesn't do anything about it. Until he does, he remains an armchair
quarterback.

That would be a great anology if this were football. Are we talking about
football?

Now you are going to become the arbiter of what analogies can be used in
what scenarios, Brain?

Is anything in Dave's post inaccurate, Brain?

Lennie's own posts herein verify he "writes" about Amateur Radio.

By his own words, he talks about it to others.

And he has quite obviously done absolutely nothing about it.

"Armchair quaterback" seems to be a farily benign analogy to me........

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/11/2004 6:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len, I feel like I'm being stalked by a cross between a peanut butter
sandwich and a Moon Pie.

That "moon pie" is Lennie's hand playing with your "peanut butter."

Do try to get it right.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

You've been around here for that long, old timer. You haven't come up
with an amateur radio license of any class in that period.

Dave K8MN

Welp, I guess the development of humor was arrested. ;^)

Whelp, it doesn't take a sense of humor to obtain an amateur radio
license. One has only to get off one's duff and overcome intertia.
Leonard talks about it, writes about it and thinks about it. He just
doesn't do anything about it. Until he does, he remains an armchair
quarterback.

That would be a great anology if this were football. Are we talking about football?

See, "William", you've amused me again.

Dave K8MN

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: Dave Heil
Date: 7/11/2004 11:30 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:

That would be a great anology if this were football. Are we talking about
football?

See, "William", you've amused me again.

It's getting to be more sad than funny anymore though, wouldn't you say,
Dave? I can't imagine WANTING to be humiliated in public as much as Brian
Burke seems to want it.

Sucks to be him, I guess...

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor!

Way to go, Dave

...took him long enough. :-)

You've been around here for that long, old timer. You haven't come up
with an amateur radio license of any class in that period.

Dave K8MN

Welp, I guess the development of humor was arrested. ;^)

Whelp, it doesn't take a sense of humor to obtain an amateur radio
license. One has only to get off one's duff and overcome intertia.
Leonard talks about it, writes about it and thinks about it. He just
doesn't do anything about it. Until he does, he remains an armchair
quarterback.

That would be a great anology if this were football. Are we talking about football?

See, "William", you've amused me again.

Dave K8MN

So sorry. It was unintentional. I find Steve's buzzing on the
sidelines highly amusing.

So anyway, were we talking about football?

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/12/2004 5:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So sorry. It was unintentional. I find Steve's buzzing on the
sidelines highly amusing.

What's highly amusing is seeing you pretend to ignore it, and for you to
continue to not be truthful in your posts.

So anyway, were we talking about football?

Three times, Dave...???

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/10/2004 8:23 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

You two really are impressed with each other, aren't you...?!?!

Maybe it has something to do with Lennie's hand up underneath Brain's
skirt, or Brain's head firmly inserted into Lennie's rectum.

Sheeeesh!

Steve, K4YZ

Len, I feel like I'm being stalked by a cross between a peanut butter
sandwich and a Moon Pie.

I think you are very close in description... :-)

Either way, Steve the Stalker is indigestible. Ptui.

The Stalker's output is what I've come to expect in "reasonable
discourse" around here from the elite, privileged amateur extras,
the role-models of nobility and comportment in the New Ham
Radio. All are apparently expected to emulate them.

They changed "discourse" to just diss and cuss, plus all that
"manly" sexist-oriented commentary.

This isn't at all about the subject (BPL) or even close to amateur
radio...or even any radio. It is all about Steve the Stalker having
his sociopathic "fun" in being able to tell off others. Not good.

Heil wants to do the same thing but less scatologically. Rev.
Jim has to preach Old Tyme Radio Religion. Kellie, King of the
Katapults tries to sound off like a grizzled old sea salt but the only
salt he's ever been is from oral sex on a Margarita glass......

We'll just have to wait around for the Stalker's posting of the "health"
of the Olsen twins over hum raddio. [his latest fantasy] :-)

LHA / WMD

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/12/2004 5:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/12/2004 5:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So sorry. It was unintentional. I find Steve's buzzing on the
sidelines highly amusing.

What's highly amusing is seeing you pretend to ignore it, and for you
to
continue to not be truthful in your posts.

So anyway, were we talking about football?

Three times, Dave...???

So, Dave, you were talking football..

Four.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/12/2004 5:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/11/2004 6:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len, I feel like I'm being stalked by a cross between a peanut butter
sandwich and a Moon Pie.

That "moon pie" is Lennie's hand playing with your "peanut butter."

Do try to get it right.

Steve, K4YZ

Len, are you getting all of this homosexual inuendo stuff?

No inuendo, Brain. He's (a male) got his hand up your backside (another
"he").

It's pretty straightforward. I say you two are bunkbuddies.

Wonder when the child molestation inuendo starts?

Probably the next time you are on an "overnighter" with your Scouts, I
imagine.

Wonder why this guy has a screw loose?

I don't.

Maybe we ought to be talking to his VA service center.

You may if you want to. ( What are you going to tell them? That I accuse
you of being frisky with another male based upon YOUR interaction with another
male...?!?! Hmmmm...sounds like homosexuality to me, Brain...(BTW...I am not
actively using VA benefits...haven't since I graduated school...but
Murfreesboro TN would be the closest center...BMG)

So...You go RIGHT AHEAD and give the VA a call.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/12/2004 6:03 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: Dave Heil
Date: 7/11/2004 11:30 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:

That would be a great anology if this were football. Are we talking
about
football?

See, "William", you've amused me again.

It's getting to be more sad than funny anymore though, wouldn't you
say,
Dave? I can't imagine WANTING to be humiliated in public as much as Brian
Burke seems to want it.

Sucks to be him, I guess...

Steve, K4YZ

Dave, are you talking about football?

Five.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/12/2004 5:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Got caught with your britches down (again) and now you change the
parameters.

Too late.

Len, this guy is always alert to catch a glimpse of male genitalia.

Unfortunately it's easy to see abnormal behaviour, and you and Lennie are
the very manifestation of it. Ray Charles could see it.

Nursie fruitcake. This not close to Christmas. Fruitcake not gift.

Still waiting for your credentials in mental health.

Len, you speak of fruitcake, he asks for credential in mental health
rather than bakery science.

What an idiot. I think he's nuts or at least candied cherries.

There IS an idiot here, Brain, however I am not it...

Also now awaiting your credentials in law for making the assertion
that
any referal I make would put me on a "legal roller coaster". Yet another
venue
you venture into without any experience, Lennie.

Len, legal guidance is not that expensive, especially when the libeler
brags of excellent income from nursing and disabilitie(s).

It's not bragging if it's true, Brain. And It's not libel if it's true,
either.

Luckily for you, lying is protected speech.

Len, do you think lying is protected speech? I don't think it is.

It must be...You and Lennie do it so often.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve da Stalker) wrote in message
...
Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/29/2004 5:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve da Stalker) writes:

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/28/2004 5:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Sigmund Fraud) writes:

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/27/2004 8:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Hostile Action Hero) writes:

It was the early 70's when Detroit and the others really started
slipping.
That was the era of the Gremlins, the Mavericks, Pintos and Vegas.

Yep. The main reason was simple: Detroit hadn't made the necessary
investment
in basic R&D. They knew how to make big heavy inefficient cars but not
small
efficient ones.

My point exactly, Jim.

We need to move the technology of our space program out of the
70/80's.

Why?

Is science and exploration market-driven? I think not.

[Docktor Weiner von Brawn personality of nursie acting up...]

Lots of baby-babble deleted.

Brits at Mars first, fail in landing. Unknown reason.

No, the Brits were not first on Mars.

Yanks next with bouncy balloon lander idea. Works. Both times.

Yes, it did.

But we had already soft-landed on Mars quite a while ago, Sir Putzy.
And not with the "bouncy bloon lander idea".

Tsk. Nursie make mean diss and cuss again. Not nice.

"Bouncy balloon," nursie, not "bouncy bloon." Quit tawking
baby tawk. :-)

Brits first on Mars in 2003-2004 time frame.

Uh huh.

Got caught with your britches down (again) and now you change the
parameters.

Too late.

Len, this guy is always alert to catch a glimpse of male genitalia.

Everyone knows that. :-)

But...he guilt feelings about it.



I do REAL work on some space programs. Nursie do NONE.
Nursie never at JPL, Santa Su, Michoud, Cape, Clear Lake.
Nursie read "space comics" and be space guru? Must be.
Nursie spaced out.

From the personal background I gleaned on you from NADC, and
"contributions" you made to "aerospace" were made on the days you didn't
show up.
That's why the name of Leonard H. Anderson does not bear any
credibility...In this forum or any other.

Nursie fruitcake. This not close to Christmas. Fruitcake not gift.

Still waiting for your credentials in mental health.

Len, you speak of fruitcake, he asks for credential in mental health
rather than bakery science.

What an idiot. I think he's nuts or at least candied cherries.

Maraschino Mania!

He IS on something fer sure.

The Stalker can't confirm his claim of "knowing" anything at Naval Air
Development Center of 1970-1975 other than there was a small NAS
across the side road from the old NADC buildings. He doesn't know
the projects under work then, nor the lab managers, nor much of anything
else. He - and Kellie the Katapult King - still think I was an employee
there! [I was working for RCA EASD at the time]

Also now awaiting your credentials in law for making the assertion that
any referal I make would put me on a "legal roller coaster". Yet another
venue
you venture into without any experience, Lennie.

Len, legal guidance is not that expensive, especially when the libeler
brags of excellent income from nursing and disabilitie(s).

It's amazing that a single morsemanship credential can be the catalyst
for such an amazing fantasyland of Fruitcake Fred, the Stalker Man!


In the meantime, we are still subjugated to your mistruths, antagonisms
and overall misrepresentations of Amateur Radio...all in the name of
"freedom
of speech".

Len, ditto trying to "out" people who are neither homosexual nor child
molesters.

It must be The Stalker's poor muddled mind - still suffering post-traumatic
stress syndrome from all those 'hostile actions."

Anyone not thinking like The Stalker is a pervert, pedophile, or a
philatelist.
[his fantasyland gives green stamps with each idea purchase]

Luckily for you, lying is protected speech.

Len, do you think lying is protected speech? I don't think it is.

The Supremes will probably rule it is.

Doesn't matter. Poor sumbish is so far gone he doesn't know right
from wrong. Sociopathy is like that.

I guess we'll just have to wait for that "pickup" by mental health folks
in our respective states when The Stalker "makes his call" to have
us picked up. :-) :-) :-)

Meanwhile, Rev. Jim thinks all I do is "spam the FCC" with Comments,
all of which are "wrong" and the Katapult King is in high society of
the military. Geez, all these OFs have nearly the same level of
fantasyland that Fruitcake Fred, King of the Stalkers has!

Only Ryan is trying to stay on the thread subject of BPL. I'd like to
also, but this newsgrope is filled with Hostile Action FIGHTERS! :-)

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for
truth
From: (William)
Date: 7/11/2004 6:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len, I feel like I'm being stalked by a cross between a peanut butter
sandwich and a Moon Pie.

That "moon pie" is Lennie's hand playing with your "peanut butter."

Do try to get it right.

Steve, K4YZ

Len, are you getting all of this homosexual inuendo stuff?

Yeah. yawn Same old, same old crap on the newsgroups
when some schmuck can't reply on a subject - just heap
abuse on the person doing the replying.

The only variety is the KIND of abuse they use.

Wonder when the child molestation inuendo starts?

It started right after the Stalker (busy stalking away) saw your
post, saluted smartly and went to work on a "reply." :-)

He thinks he is cleansing the newsgroup of non-ethnic minorities.

Slobodan Milosovic is one of his heroes...

Wonder why this guy has a screw loose?

All his trimmers are snugged down to military-approved torque
levels in a CW direction. Nothing loose. Nothing works right,
either! :-)

Maybe we ought to be talking to his VA service center.

A Chebby shop and Mr. Goodwrench will have more correct info.

The Stalker is not interested in talking on BPL or any REAL ham
policy subjects. He just wants to scrub, scrub, scrub, in the
ethnic cleansing First General Order so that he can claim one
more "hostile action" event! In other words, all he do is FIGHT.

LHA / WMD