In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Have you ever seen a family where the kids are given everything they want but
not required to contribute anything? Ever see what sort of adults those kids
become?

Six-year-old Novices and Nine-year-old Extras? :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large
part because it's easy to enforce.

Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a
desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it.

But what does the FCC get out of it?

The whole concept of a license system with multiple levels of knowledge and
privileges.

Hardly. Just a nice little CLUB rule set devised by those wonderful
morsemen of olde tyme hamme raddio (when men were "men" and
kode was king). Yawn.

At three years into the new millennium, a time when all the other U.S.
radio services have dropped morse code for any sort of
communications, the olde tyme hammes insist on Kode is King.

That's the divine religious order dictum from the Church of St. Hiram.

FCC got talked into keeping it by all those morsemen who elevated
themselves (by their bootstrap circuits?) as grande champion
radio ops and using morse to "get through when nothing else
would" (incorrect, but one can't convince a Believer in real truth).

You can gloss up the "federal" rules any way you want as "so very
important" but that whole rule set is going by inertia and FCC isn't
all that interested in bothering with a bunch of amateur hobbyists
to change the rules. Lots more REAL radio for FCC to regulate.

Have fun pretending you are necessary for Homeland Security,
defending the nation by morsemanship. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint" Mama Dee
speaking to her children writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large
part
because it's easy to enforce.

Specially now that enforcement is a rare thing, i.e., the last 30
years or so.

The Great Guru hasn't explained the "how" of that "easy enforcement."

He's getting into the Proclamation Zone, sort of a derivative of the
yell-yell's Twilight Zone. :-)

Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a
desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it.

Utter nonsense, Mama Dee. Spin-like rationalization.

Yep, that's absolute crap.

One license would be even easier to not enforce.

Shhhh...don't spread out the obvious!

Dee is into the Maternal Zone and thinks of all who don't think like
Mama to be "children" with reward/punishment discipline.

AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the
United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety
organization. Just a hobby involving radio.

It can be a service, and many actually do dedicate themselves to that
service. They train and practice, take turns at being NCS, and
affiliate with county emergency offices and the American Red Cross.

Of course. Most of those aren't in here, though. :-)

But there is a large contingent that brags about copying an ARRL
message before field day starts, how they can send code so poorly that
a NCT with an electronic reader cannot copy, etc, etc, etc. Shining
examples of service.

Heh. Service for four. On sale now at $24.95 till Monday.

AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse
operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse
operators, haven't for a long time.

But when the aliens arrive and don't know the code... they'll be in
for a rude awakening. We'll have 'em right where we want 'em!

Only if the aliens land in Hollywood near a major studio. :-)

Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work
requested.

More spin crappola. The influential morsemen at the League
managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for
themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and
"importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in
to their demands.

I think it's just a legacy carry-over from a time when it was
necessary and useful. Those days are long past being necessary.

True enough. Problem is that so many of the olde tyme hammes
think they are still living in those olde tymes.

You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the
car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the
edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities.
The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't
care to do but does it anyway to get the reward.

So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so.

Maybe the FCC? Some here obviously need a little extra parenting.

...and some are well beyond that into delusional psychosis that no
parent could possibly handle.

Like Old Yeller and Old Yeller Teeth Kelly.

Careful or they will gum you to death... :-)

Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so.

I hope not.

If it were, it would be a classic dysfunctional family affair. :-)

Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio.

Kind of irritating, huh?

Like the world's worst Jewish mother-in-law. :-)

Mel Lazarus should read this one. He could use it in his strip.

Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair.

Maybe somehow she got hold of 146.34/94.

Is that the new measurement system? :-)

You aren't
a radioactive au pair and this ain't the Children's Hour (even is some of
the other extras act like children).

Sherry and Lambchop?

Charley Horse. :-)

Or Kukla, Fran, and Ollie. [for you olde tyme hammes]

Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW
playground and should be happy. Professional communicators they
ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro.

They're always welcome to pay some COLEM $90 for random groups of
five.

There ya go! Excellent suggestion! "Officially tested" by an agency
of the federal government!

Well, not an "agency," but a pseudo-representative like thing. :-)

It WOULD be most "official" though!

LHA / WMD

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Stevie
Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio) writes:

A nickle says Lennie the Lame found yet another anonymous server to
hide
behind.

If not, it's someone he's slept with.

Poor Stalker making LIES again. Tsk, tsk.

Not a lie, Lennie...A bet.

Poor boy just doesn't know when to quit with that terrible hate
psychosis. Can't realize that his fantastic thoughts just aren't
liked by others. That's how it is with the mentally disturbed...

There's no "hate psychosis" here.

(A bit of impatience wating on your credentials in mental health
disciplines, however...you continue to make "diagnosis" without a license to
practice medicine OR psychiatry...)

No problem here on walking or leg useage, working fine. No
"lameness." However, poor Stalker must have stepped in
something long ago...probably his first set of LIES in here.

You have the ultimate lameness, Lennie.

You have a hole the size of Lake Erie in your character. That's
documented. If you put as much time into fixing it as you did night school,
you might actaully be a man someday.

No need to hide identities here. I'm still at the same address
as given in those Ham Radio magazine articles. You can also
send e-mail to the following very valid e-address:

I have no doubt you're at the same address.

I am sure your IEEE address is valid.

I am also sure that a number of "anonymous" posts that pop in here from
time to time are your doing, and that it is merely your "force multiplier".
You cannot garner any real "support" from people willing to put thier real
names to thier posts, so you make them up.

(Of course there's Vipul Shah, whose identity had to be drawn out, and
there's Brian Burke, whose own "honesty" and current use of a nomme-de-guerre
induces it's own confusion...these guys are who you want "rooting" for
you...?!?!)

I'd expect nothing less from you. You've set your own standard, as low as
it is. Please don't whine and snivvel when it's fed back to you, Lennie.
You're a victim of your own misconduct.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large
part
because it's easy to enforce.

Nonsense for the new millennium.

That's what you're giving us, Len!

Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the
Antenna Mount again!

Who is this "Rev. Jim" person you keep mentioing, Len?

You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement
ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk.

Yes, I did, Len.

Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice
signals. Try a few details of how that is done.

Why?

The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were
put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League
lobbying.

Len, what are "morsemen"?

An elite band of beepers stuck in a time warp of yesteryear.

Amateurs, of course.

So all radio amateurs are morsemen?

The rest of the radio world has given up morse code modes for any
primary communications. Most other radio services never even
considered it!

So you think radio amateurs should stop using Morse code?

And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only,
Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an
ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere.

What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense?

It's not nonsense at all, Len.

So...answer how it is "easy."

I'll explain it again.

If a ham tries to exceed license privileges by operating on frequencies not
licensed to that ham, all that has to be done is measure the operating
frequency and identify the source.

The FCC reads morse
easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on
OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so]

The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a
signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things
like power level.

Oh, yeah, the Magick of Morse!

Applies to all modes.

All morsemen are superbly honest and without fault...would not
dream of falsifying anything, would they?

How could they?

When was the last time FCC had to do some enforcement on a ham using Morse
code?

Hello? Ever hear of audio recorders? Those have been around
since WW2. Really. More modern stuff than wire recorders
nowadays, old timer. Combine that with modern DF techniques
(no rotating loop antennas required) and modern data recorders
and ANY signal can be found out.

An audio recorder doesn't tell what radio frequency is being used.

All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little
morse playground. No more, no less.

What are you talking about, Len?

YOUR spin on morse code. And the Belief System of the Church
of St. Hiram.

What *are* you talking about, Len?

The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz
of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices.

WE weren't talking about "morse code only" stuff, Rev. Jim.

Who is "we", Len?

[got some bad peyote again? tsk]

Never touched the stuff. You sound like ol' Carlos, though.

You will be angry and disturbed at such direct language, but, like
Ernestine's creator put it..."plbthththt...and that's the absolute
truth." :-)

And it's as true as what Ernestine says. IOW, what you wrote is absolute
nonsense, Len, and the historical records prove it.

Yah, yu be all hot and bothered! :-)

Not me.

SPIN doctoring you do, Rev. Jim, and you don't have the license
to practice doctoring. Tsk, tsk.

What spin, Len?

Besides, why do you want to live in the past so much?

Moi? HAH!

Yes, you.

Who was talking up "T.O.M." olde tymer? YOU were.

EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Still accurate.

Since 1990 it has been
possible to get any class of US ham license with just a 5 wpm code test and
a
medical waiver. Since 2000, the only Morse code test left has been the 5 wpm
test.

So?

The morse code test is STILL THERE, isn't it?

Sure. Even though the treaty changed over a year ago, and there have been a
half-dozen or more petitions asking to drop the code test, FCC hasn't changed
anything about it.

Why don't you confront Chairman Powell on his blog and ask him why not? Maybe
you could call him "Mikey" and tell him how unqualified he is. You could use
the same sort of style there as you use here, Len.

All U.S. amateur radio licenses with below-30-MHz privileges
require passing that morse code test. NOW. Not 14 years ago,
not 80 years ago. NOW.

We all know that, Len. Why do you repeat the obvious?

WHY?

Because the FCC says so.

Here's a challenge for ya, Len:

Lissen up, peyote breath.

I guess you can't rise to the challenge, then. You're just here to spout
nonsense and abuse.

Here's YOUR challenge:

Try to go a whole 48 hours of NOT accessing the newsgroup and
telling everyone a sermon or preaching that Code Is Good, the Best.

Why?

Bet you can't do it. :-)

Sure I can. In fact I was gone for a lot longer than 48 hours back in April.

You can't.

Sure I can. But why should I? Just to make you happy?

What you want is for opposing opinions to simply shut up. You can't tolerate
anyone who disagrees with your cherished beliefs. Even worse for you is when
someone proves you are simply wrong about something.

You are fixated on Being Here, the Voice of "Truth"
about olde-tyme hamme raddio, telling all heretics to your
Belief System that they are "wrong," "incorrect," and other
indelicate nasties when they don't like Mighty Macho Morse.


"Same old, same old crap on the newsgroups
when some schmuck can't reply on a subject - just heap
abuse on the person doing the replying."

"The only variety is the KIND of abuse they use."

- From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 13 Jul 2004 23:35:34 GMT

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Stevie
Stalker, Mighty Macho Morseman Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme
Hamme Raddio using a Fleet Kit) writes:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"

The lies of Lennie Anderson continue.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Stevie
Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes:

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Len Over 21
wrote:

AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse
operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse
operators, haven't for a long time.

That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for
experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure.
Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding
a phonetic alphabet, etc is.

Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although
he
does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any
opportunity.

Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who
disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio"

You did take editorial liberty with the post to add your anti-Amateur
spin, Lennie.

No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY
emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary
radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group
needs any morse qualifications to do their work.

This is NOT any other radio group, Lennie.

It's not the Armed Forces.

It's not PLMRS.

It is not SINCGARS or 1950's Army message centers.

Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago
ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need."

No "error." REALITY.

Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk.

He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental
help.

And conce again we have a non-licensed...in this case mental healtcare
provider...rendering yet another unqualified opinion.

No fantasy.

Amateur Radio remains the most significant "pool" of "trained operators" in
the United States, save for the Armed Forces. That includes Morse Code trained
persons.

Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators
remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not
withstanding.

VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca
trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school
learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same
trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those
intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training.

Morse Code will continue for some time to be a necessary skill.

Thankfully some in the Armed Forces have been able to recognize that while
we've buried ourselves under burdonsome technology, some of our adversaries
have quietly gone about keeping things in the KISS mode...And THEY have done
thier best to make sure we can have at least some reserve pool of AD personnel
who can be called upon to intercept it.

On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually
even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the
recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants
to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about
anyone.

Open to attack by just about anyone?

It's not the manual OOK that is important, Lennie...It's the message being
sent. The Germans used OOK from thier subs, and until we came into possession
of an Enigma machine and the requisite code books, their transmissions were
just as "secret" as they woul;d have been using any other mode today.

AJKKL CDPMQ GCMMN ADAZP DDSZX WTUPA ZPZQY

Now...if I transmit those code groups via manual Morse, PSK, encrypted
vocie satellite, etc, of what use are they without the code book?

And if I can send those code groups to my "agents" with a transmitter
hacked together with $50 worth of parts rather than a $3000 manpack that
requires an orbiting asset to realy it,

And as much as being able to pull "the weak ones" out is a plus,
ACCURACY
is more important...That's why contests ding you if you miscopy an exchange.

Those skills are collateral benefits to emergency communications...Lennie's
uninformed opinion and ranting to the contrary.

Poor delusional Stalker, still mixing up his hate-filled dystemper of a
fantasyland continuum with reality. Tsk. He needs mental help.

No, I don't.

What I need is to get YOU some help, Lennie.

If what Lennie is is being "pro", then I dare say we should take some
EXTRA pride in NOT being "pro" ! ! ! !

More delusional Stalker fantasyland hate.

Not hate, Lennie.

Pity.

There are NO Public Safety Radio Services now using morse code
in any form for public safety communications. None.

And this is NOT a Public Safety Radio Service, now is it?

THIS is YOUR "fantasyland", Lennie. You keep trying to make Amateur Radio
your puching bag for your own inadequacies and we won't go with the program.

So sorry for you.

Len Anderson has absolutely ZERO experience in emergency
communications,
save for what he cuts-and-pastes about CA's ACS system and MARS.

Untrue, but trying to convince a delusional psychotic with a gigantic
hate complex living in his fantasyland is a non-starter.

Poor Stalker needs mental therapy.

Not untrue.

By your own admission (unless you were lying about that too) you are not
involved in any emergency communications program except as an observer.

From your posts here it is pretty clear you that you are indeed NOT
involved in any program at any level.

No experience
as an Amateur operator, none in any capacity with any civil or federal
program.

Untrue. But Stalker will insist that I have none until the last psychotic
delusion is ripped from his hate-filled little mind...

Oh?

WHAT Amateur license HAVE you held, Lennie...?!?!

He is not a licensed Amateur, nor is he in any other program affilitated
with
emergency communications, MARS included.

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" Hi hi ho ho.

Department of Defense Directive 4650.2, effective November 2003
says otherwise.

Amateur licensee Stalker says MARS is amateur radio.

Just who is the LIE spreader there?

You, Leonard...You are.

Hint. It isn't DoD. :-)

I never thought I'd say that about myself, but unfortuntely it is true.
I've tried to get my speed back up to something reasonable and expect
that it would take an hour a day for at least a month.

In regards to emergency uses, Geoffrey, it's irrelevent. It's nice to
have, especially for health and welfare trafficing, but otherwise not
necessary.

RED ALERT! ALL HANDS TO BATTLE STATIONS!

REALITY BROKE OUT!

It's been here all along, Lennie.

But while you've been so anxious to take each and every opportunity to
naysay anything anyone has said that even remotely favors Amateur Radio, you
haven't been paying attention to what's being said.

There's a psychotic in this forum, Lennie...But it's not me.

People who work 9-5 5 days a week may actually be able to do it. I don't
(more like noon (or eariler) to 3am).

Sure you can! Just one or two QSO's a day will get your speed up in no
time, regadless of when you work! I work 7P to 7A three to five days a
week,
and I am able to KEEP my speed above 20WPM with little effort.

There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining
yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast.

So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy!

If what you are is "reality", Lennie, then I would do well to stay in what
YOU call "fantasy"

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

Nonsense for the new millennium.

That's what you're giving us, Len!

Of course it is.

Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render
an
INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...???

Riiiiiiight, Stalker. How can ANYONE possibly know anything
about anything without being federally licensed in it?

I didn't say "licensed", Lennie...I said "experienced".

Gosh, in your psychotic fantasyland, amateur radio must be a
classified, sensitive, deep dark secret, revealed only to those "eyes
only" folks who have been background-checked, right?

NOBODY unlicense can possibly know anything at all!

Sure they can...if they ahve some sort of practical experience in it...

You are neither licensed OR experienced. Not in AMATEUR RADIO.

Len, what are "morsemen"?

Anything and everything he's not.

I'm a retired electronics engineer with a good retirement income.

You are an ALLEGED electronics engineer.

Some in a position to know your "professional" services directly quantify
your skills as "mediocre, at best..."

That means a professional. Sunnuvagun!

Sure...In the strictest dictionary definition of it.

I measure "professionalism" by the opinions of one's peers.

You collected a wage. Invested it wisely. Good for you.

But you did NOTHING to contibute to "radio".

Stalker Stevie a pro? Stalker have a pro kit?

Stalker do good yell-yell-murine imitation. Did "seven hostile
actions." Never explained that. Might have been done in hum
raddio "actions?"

Stalker did "combat trianing" in Barstow, CA, murine warehouse
and supply depot? Tough duty. Very hostile. Action?

Sorry, Lennie.

Where did you get "Barstow" from? Barstow and 29Palms are NOT the same
facility.

The propaganda is coming from the Loser on Lanark.

Poor delusional, hate-filled psychotic now wants to go geographic.

Tsk.

10048 Lanark Street, Sun Valley, CA. Nice neighborhood.
Upscale. Mortgage got paid off fully years ago. Adjoining
walled community of 44 homes, one going for $860,000.

Adjoining...But not IN...

I am sure it is yet one more example of you being on the outside looking
in as I am sure you have spent your whole life being "just this side" of where
you THINK you belong.

I am sure you belong IN a "walled community", but I am sure not the one
you think you belong in.

And as for that $860K, it gets you a subdivision-sized lot in an HOA
controlled enviroment. It gets you a chance to pay taxes in one of the highest
taxed states of the Union, along with the highest crime per-capita and

Look it up on MapQuest.

Know how? [no license required to use MapQuest...]

Do some looking of your own...But use Coldwell Banker or Century21...See
what that same money will get you outside of Kalifornication.

My bet's on the nonsense. That's all he's produced here.

Sorry, can't venture into your psychotic fantasyland. Too weird
in there. It isn't reality. It is the Twilight Zone pesonified.

You've already BEEN in a "psychotic fantasyland".

It's called your mind, Lennie.

You can't/won't tell the truth and don't live up to your own rhetoric.
For YEARS now.

Try a different mix of pilfered drugs from the "ER" medicine room
next time.

And now accusations of theft in order to make yor position even more
untenable than it was.

Ahhhh, Lennie...What would your $860K gated community neighbors think of
you if they could see all of your online misdeeds and misrepresentations...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large
part because it's easy to enforce.


Another thought is that at HF frequencies, a inexperienced or poor
operator can propagate their signal over the whole world.

Under the right conditions, yes.

If I were to
be making a training ground for amateurs, it would be using line of
sight type signals

I disagree!

The greatest sustained period of growth in US amateur history was from the end
of WW2 until the mid-to-late 1980s. From 60,000 hams on VJ day to about 600,000
40 or so years later. And this included a period of almost no growth in the mid
1960s. Through most of that time, the training ground for new US amateurs was
predominantly HF.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , "Dee D. Flint" Mama Dee
speaking to her children writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large
part
because it's easy to enforce.

Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a
desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it.

Utter nonsense, Mama Dee. Spin-like rationalization.

That's a good description of what you post here, Len ;-) ;-) ;-)

AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the
United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety
organization. Just a hobby involving radio.

It's not "just a hobby".

But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby",
does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules?

AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse
operators" for any national need.

When did it cease, Len?

And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced
morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes.

The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time.

How long?

Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work
requested.

More spin crappola.

Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)


The influential morsemen at the League
managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for
themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and
"importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in
to their demands.

When was this? And in what alternate universe?

The "pool of trained operators" thing came from FCC, not ARRL.

You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the
car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the
edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities.
The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't
care to do but does it anyway to get the reward.

So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so.

How many kids have you raised, Len?

Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so.

You aren't.

Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio.

Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy?

Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair.

Pair of what, Len?

You aren't
a radioactive au pair and this ain't the Children's Hour (even is some of
the other extras act like children).

The most childish performance I see here is yours, Len.

Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW
playground and should be happy.

What *are* you talking about, Len?

Professional communicators they
ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro.

If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an
amateur.