Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
"Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last."

--Len Anderson, 2000


Hey guys, just as a general question, how many sphincters does a human
have anyhow? I thought there was just one....


- Mike KB3EIA -

I think there's one at each end of the stomach, and one at the end of
the large intestine.

But I'm no nurse. Hey, there's another one.

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:


In article ,

(Steve

Robeson K4CAP) writes:



Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len Over 21 wrote:




Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't

care

about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"


Not a good reply, Coslo.


Nor a good explanation.




Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.




Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes

longer to

heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"


What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.




Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)


nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)


You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)


So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)




Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass

him.



Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.


It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.




This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it

was

HIS education that carried the day.


If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?



Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.


As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?


If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the

last

couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.


I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.


A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying

"He

who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come

off

the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's

trying

to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking

that

elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box

and

your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.



Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.


Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering

school

and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends.

Showed

me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?



To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.


His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?


It isn't. But it IS the non-answer expected.

PCTA just don't have much validity in their reasons of keeping
the code test in regulations.

They are all into the fantasy of "brotherhood" in the "fraternity."

And of "service to their country" by engaging in a hobby...




ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.


Then point out the errors without the name calling.


Absolutely. Show ALL NCTA the "Error of their Ways!"

Hi hi.

Everything about removing the morse code test is an "Error"
as well as Heresy and an Abomination to the Ham Gods.


I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.


When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or

whatever,

it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.


Tsk. Not what "I" want.

PCTA are NEVER "wrong." Never.

Anything said against them is an "error." Hi hi.



No. good guess, but that was an exchange he had with Bessie Braddock, a
House of Commons member from Liverpool.


UK regulations came into the thread?

I'll start commenting from here, because this is the first part of the
post you are replying to that is from me, despite what it says at the top.

I didn't know that Winston Churchill had conversations with Bessie
Braddock about Ham regulations. You would think we would get more
publicity on that! 8^)

Tsk. Nice misdirection, but still misdirection.

Just a direction, noting else. If you want to talk about Churchill, I'd
be happy to. Quite a character!

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing

1.2

million messages at ADA in 1953".

Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...


Jimmie wasn't there. Jimmie wasn't ever in ANY military.

I was never "in" any either. Is that a problem?

But Jimmie Knows The Truth about Everything and won't hesitate
to call any NCTA "in Error."

I've disagreed with him and he's admitted when he was wrong, or if not
wrong, when I've had a good point. He's also pointed out when he thinks
I'm wrong too.

Kellie was never in any military.

hmmm

Kellies also "knows truth."

Might be a conspiracy going here Lenover21!


That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other

than

what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!


"In harmony with the world?"

In harmony with the world.

Is the ARRL now expounding some kind of New Age thing for all hams?

You could check out their website

Tsk, tsk. The "world" is that of the morsemen's fantasizing of yesterday.

If you want some real fantasy with buck attached, check into Paul
Crouch's TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network). Paul Crouch started
out as a licensed radio amateur...parlayed radio into nearly a billion-
dollar asset "religious" organization with laying on of green hands
to all his "ministry."

Good, a new story! I'm really getting bored with that Morse code stuff...

Crouch's rationality for greed and avarice is "God's Word."

TBN's "ministry" gives the flock God's Word and the flock give their
money to TBN and Crouch.

If there is a God, I bet s/he has a special reward for televangelists!

There's a religious parallel there. Like all hams of today MUST follow
the Old Teachings...as if they were the Word of God (which they
aren't). If you worship hobbies that way, you can call all non-believers
(in the old teachings of hamme) as "out of harmony" (crazy in a
supposedly civilized way).

Respectfully, I disagree. REspectfully I think you had to do a major
stretch for that analogy.


Continue to support the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. It's your
"harmony."

I like my Harmony with onions, and maybe a bit of hot pepper, sautéed
with butter. Yuuummmmy! ;^)

But seriously, if you are happy this way, then its all good! 8^)

- mike KB3EIA -

William wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...

So when someone compares what we hams do to what "professionals" do,
or says we are "stuck in the past" or "using 1930s standards" - they
really don't get the point at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY


But, but, but...

amateur radio is supposed to have a reputation for innovation.

It's all good, Brian! New and old can be appreciated and done at the
same time.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
(William) writes:

Hey guys, just as a general question, how many sphincters does a human
have anyhow? I thought there was just one....

- Mike KB3EIA -

I think there's one at each end of the stomach, and one at the end of
the large intestine.

But I'm no nurse. Hey, there's another one.

Too subtle for this group, Brian. :-) :-) :-)

In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...

So when someone compares what we hams do to what "professionals" do,
or says we are "stuck in the past" or "using 1930s standards" - they
really don't get the point at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

But, but, but...

amateur radio is supposed to have a reputation for innovation.

Perhaps they are "innovating" 1930s standards and practices using
semiconductors! :-)

...the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society rides again... hi hi.

beep, beep

In article ,
(anonymous poster) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...

Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his antenna.

Note how Mr. Burke misremembers what was written, and distorts the
meaning.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Mr. Burke" remembers the gist of the alleged
"conversation" very well...as did I...as did most readers. :-)

Notice how "Mr. Miccolis" misremembers and distorts all the
invective and general tuff-guy tawk used by "Mr. Kelly."

That, according to "Mr. Miccolis" must be "civil discourse." :-)

Like it or no, "Mr. Miccolis," there is bound to be some sarcastic
return to "Mr. Kelly's" more-so sarcastic commentary. Try to
understand that.

There's no reason to stay off of 160.

W3RV has helped me with many antenna projects. He has expertise ranging
from
large Yagis to simple wire antennas.

The implementation of practical HF antennas for amateur radio is about
95%
mechanical engineering and 5% electrical engineering.

I don't think it's that big an imbalance but I agree in principle, the
physical design and execution aspects of antenna apparatus within ham
radio do tend to fall more into M.E. country than they do into E.E.
country.

Point is, the main problems are mechanical. As in where does it go,
how do I attach it to the house, where do I get the components without
paying big bucks. All of which can be answered with some thought,
knolwedge and experience.

Acknowledged. However, that does not forgive "Mr. Kelly's"
blatant disregard of "civil discourse" by using denigrating and
insulting words used in a poor imitation of the Soprano's TV
show dialogue.

But of course to get anyone's help, it pays to ask in a nice way and
actually listen to/read the information provided.

Time/date/freq pse?

You forgot "mode?"

When I launched the challenge somewhere around here a couple days ago
I stated that it would be most convenient for me to latch up with
Weenie Willy on 20 or 40 ssb. I knew there was no point to even
thinking about a CW contact. "Do not feed the animals" . . . 'druther
let him make an ass of himself again with his only mode.

Always offer a choice.

Use of "Weenie Willy" and "do not feed the animals" is "civil
discourse?

Sorry, that's just the kind of dialogue demanded by the PCTA extras
who think they are the hots of radio. Not to mention all others being
just "drudges" in the words of the elitist aristocrats of hum radio.

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

Believe me I haven't.

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good. He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode". So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there. No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.
Stand-up guy.

So, it didn't matter that others (3 years ago) might have had free-time
off scheduling problems?

Only the "stand-up guys" showed up? All others are "drudges" who
aren't worth anything and didn't show up?

My, my, aren't you condescending to earth people?

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request, and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.

"Request?!?"

That was no "request." It was a simple school-yard challenge.
Kid stuff. Unseemly for anyone long into adulthood.

Apparently that's what the PCTA think is "right" for modern ham
radio - playing kiddie games of fighting challenges in the school
yard to "demonstrate their strength/superiority?"

Actually, "Mr. Miccolis" comments look more like some modern-
day "'Hood" puffery about "stand-up guys" who "make 'requests'".

As usual, all NCTA are depicted by the PCTA extras as lesser
human beings unfit to associate with Their Highnesses. yawn

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...

Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his
antenna.

Note how Mr. Burke misremembers what was written, and distorts the
meaning.

Of course, that's the name of his game. Which is the only game Weenie
Willy can play.

We could go to google and repost the old exchanges, which would clearly back up
what I'm saying. But why bother? He will just do it again.

There's no reason to stay off of 160.

W3RV has helped me with many antenna projects. He has expertise ranging
from
large Yagis to simple wire antennas.

The implementation of practical HF antennas for amateur radio is about
95%
mechanical engineering and 5% electrical engineering.

I don't think it's that big an imbalance but I agree in principle, the
physical design and execution aspects of antenna apparatus within ham
radio do tend to fall more into M.E. country than they do into E.E.
country.

Point is, the main problems are mechanical. As in where does it go,
how do I attach it to the house, where do I get the components without
paying big bucks. All of which can be answered with some thought,
knolwedge and experience.

Wait a minnit here James, it does not take a BSME to do some
respectable "eyebolt engineering" at Home Depot in order to get a
lousy but reliable wire up.

Of course! Nor does it take an EE to get an end-fed wire working. I was doing
it in grade school.

But of course to get anyone's help, it pays to ask in a nice way and
actually listen to/read the information provided.

Time/date/freq pse?

You forgot "mode?"

When I launched the challenge somewhere around here a couple days ago
I stated that it would be most convenient for me to latch up with
Weenie Willy on 20 or 40 ssb. I knew there was no point to even
thinking about a CW contact. "Do not feed the animals" . . . 'druther
let him make an ass of himself again with his only mode.

Always offer a choice.

(a) What available choices did I miss?

AM, FM, PSK-31...

(b) I offered him the choice of showing up or not. He didn't.

Actually, you offered him choice of time, date, frequency. He simply refused
the challenge. Which says it all. He's got plenty of time to post here but no
time for a 5 minute QSO at *his* choice of time and frequency.

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

Believe me I haven't.

The point here is that, when directly asked, ol' Cecil made good. He
said he was an antenna guru and "CW expert" (yes, he said he was a "CW
expert") and that Morse was his "favorite fun mode". So when somebody
asked for a sked, he was there. No excuses or shaggy-dog stories, he
showed up with a good signal and worked everybody who could hear him.
Stand-up guy.

Amen.

As predicted, Mr. Burke refuses your request, and tries to make it
look like you are the bad guy.

As if.

He actually blew it twice over. Fact is that that I don't have any 40
or 20 antennas up at the moment so if he'd agreed to work me on 40 or
20 ssb I would have had one helluva scramble on my hands in order to
get on freq on time.

Just put up an end fed wire.

Or operate from here.

Lordy lordy be, I'd just love to do a few rounds of Five Card Stud
with him .. !

HAW!

73 de Jim, N2EY