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If that's art, I'm gald to be an engineer.

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How is Canada disgusting because of what those three bums did?

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

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If that's art, I'm gald to be an engineer.

it isn't art, or even close to it. There is a "con man" element in the
art world today that seems to want to push the borders with every new
showing. It is how we get exhibits such as "**** Christ", exhibits of
decomposing cow carcasses, and now this abomination. Certainly the
Christ exhibit didn't harm any helpless creatures, and was mainly
extremely offensive. But anyone that thinks torture is art needs a visit
from Karma. In the meantime, since there is a element of "art is
whatever you can get away with" in the art critic world, people try to
get away with anything.



How is Canada disgusting because of what those three bums did?

73 de Jim, N2EY

They gave light (almost no) sentences to the *******s.

The people who did this should be either incarcerated or permanently in
a mental institution. They are out on the streets. To say that the
torture and mutilation of an animal is "art" of some form is merely
justification of their sociopathic condition.

Did you know that people that do that sort of thing (torture and kill
animals are more likely to turn into serial killers? To the extent that
it is considered a major indicator. Those three should be required to
register every place they go.

Any art exhibit that includes such a sociopathic thing is complicit in
the crime. I consider the promoters of this as guilty as the perps
themselves. If I worked for such an institution I would quit if they
were to show such a thing.

Any country where there wouldn't be a huge outcry and immediate
condemnation of such an event condones it.

and there you have...the rest of the story....

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:01:04 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

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If that's art, I'm gald to be an engineer.

it isn't art, or even close to it. There is a "con man" element in the
art world today that seems to want to push the borders with every new
showing. It is how we get exhibits such as "**** Christ", exhibits of
decomposing cow carcasses, and now this abomination. Certainly the
Christ exhibit didn't harm any helpless creatures, and was mainly
extremely offensive. But anyone that thinks torture is art needs a visit
from Karma. In the meantime, since there is a element of "art is
whatever you can get away with" in the art critic world, people try to
get away with anything.



How is Canada disgusting because of what those three bums did?

73 de Jim, N2EY

They gave light (almost no) sentences to the *******s.

The people who did this should be either incarcerated or permanently in
a mental institution. They are out on the streets. To say that the
torture and mutilation of an animal is "art" of some form is merely
justification of their sociopathic condition.

Did you know that people that do that sort of thing (torture and kill
animals are more likely to turn into serial killers? To the extent that
it is considered a major indicator. Those three should be required to
register every place they go.

Any art exhibit that includes such a sociopathic thing is complicit in
the crime. I consider the promoters of this as guilty as the perps
themselves. If I worked for such an institution I would quit if they
were to show such a thing.

Any country where there wouldn't be a huge outcry and immediate
condemnation of such an event condones it.

This incident is indeed quite unconscionable, and the people who
committed this crime in the name of 'Art' surely deserve to have a
similar fate inflicted upon them. It also serves to highlight the
weak laws covering animal cruelty, not just here in Canada, but in the
US, and elsewhere, as well.

For example, Mike, in your own home state of PA, the penalty for
torturing animals is a whopping 90-day maximum sentence:

source: http://www.aspca.org



PENNSYLVANIA

Penalty: Summary offense; maximum 90 days confinement and/or $50 -
$750 fine; possible forfeiture.



There is an excellent chance that, given the 'artistic' nature of the
offense, a fine and/or minimal jail time would quite probably be
imposed there as well. Note the 'possible forfeiture" above - the
perpetrator of this type of crime may not even have the animal removed
from his or her possession as part of the sentence!

Here, as well as there, exists no penalty whatsoever for killing an
animal outright - pet or otherwise - so long as it is done in a humane
manner. In both Canada and the US, any owner can walk in to the
neighbourhood vet's office and have an animal put down, no questions
asked. Or, one could take the old family dog out behind the barn and
shoot him. Perfectly legal, so long as no 'undue suffering' is
caused.

Is there an outcry? I live in Toronto, and can assure you that this
despicable psychopath and his sick film are the subject of public
protest and considerable hostility. The law, however, is the law.

As long as we, as a society, continue to pass animal rights
legislation which considers them simply as property rather than as
living entities, this sort of vileness will continue to proliferate.

Here in Canada, and in your own backyard too.

and there you have...the rest of the story....

Not quite - but you have a bit more of it now...!


- Mike KB3EIA -

73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:01:04 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message
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If that's art, I'm gald to be an engineer.

"Gald?" Hi hi.

it isn't art, or even close to it. There is a "con man" element in the
art world today that seems to want to push the borders with every new
showing. It is how we get exhibits such as "**** Christ", exhibits of
decomposing cow carcasses, and now this abomination. Certainly the
Christ exhibit didn't harm any helpless creatures, and was mainly
extremely offensive. But anyone that thinks torture is art needs a visit
from Karma. In the meantime, since there is a element of "art is
whatever you can get away with" in the art critic world, people try to
get away with anything.

The people who did this should be either incarcerated or permanently in
a mental institution. They are out on the streets. To say that the
torture and mutilation of an animal is "art" of some form is merely
justification of their sociopathic condition.

Tsk. All that psychobabble by NON-credentialed shrinks! Hi hi.

This incident is indeed quite unconscionable, and the people who
committed this crime in the name of 'Art' surely deserve to have a
similar fate inflicted upon them. It also serves to highlight the
weak laws covering animal cruelty, not just here in Canada, but in the
US, and elsewhere, as well.

For example, Mike, in your own home state of PA, the penalty for
torturing animals is a whopping 90-day maximum sentence:

source: http://www.aspca.org



PENNSYLVANIA

Penalty: Summary offense; maximum 90 days confinement and/or $50 -
$750 fine; possible forfeiture.



Tsk. Not only is the subject OUTSIDE of amateur radio, the disgusting
(er I mean disgusted) individual doesn't even know what goes on in his
own state! :-)

There is an excellent chance that, given the 'artistic' nature of the
offense, a fine and/or minimal jail time would quite probably be
imposed there as well. Note the 'possible forfeiture" above - the
perpetrator of this type of crime may not even have the animal removed
from his or her possession as part of the sentence!

Here, as well as there, exists no penalty whatsoever for killing an
animal outright - pet or otherwise - so long as it is done in a humane
manner. In both Canada and the US, any owner can walk in to the
neighbourhood vet's office and have an animal put down, no questions
asked. Or, one could take the old family dog out behind the barn and
shoot him. Perfectly legal, so long as no 'undue suffering' is
caused.

Is there an outcry? I live in Toronto, and can assure you that this
despicable psychopath and his sick film are the subject of public
protest and considerable hostility. The law, however, is the law.

There is indeed law.

However, there is law and then there are the anguished "chop
busted" souls who wish all to be as disgusting...er, disgusted as
they about whatever they think.

All must follow their path or be subject to all manner of condemnation
for ever and ever.

Hi hi.

As long as we, as a society, continue to pass animal rights
legislation which considers them simply as property rather than as
living entities, this sort of vileness will continue to proliferate.

Here in Canada, and in your own backyard too.

Not in HIS backyard, Leo... :-)

and there you have...the rest of the story....

Not quite - but you have a bit more of it now...!

Tsk. All this bandwidth on subjects which aren't even about
RADIO, much less about radio policy. Hi hi.

Better the subject should be Presidential Politics...something
which the PCTA extras think is "radio policy." Hi hi.

Ho ho.

Leo wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:01:04 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


N2EY wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...sure_cat_col_1


If that's art, I'm gald to be an engineer.

it isn't art, or even close to it. There is a "con man" element in the
art world today that seems to want to push the borders with every new
showing. It is how we get exhibits such as "**** Christ", exhibits of
decomposing cow carcasses, and now this abomination. Certainly the
Christ exhibit didn't harm any helpless creatures, and was mainly
extremely offensive. But anyone that thinks torture is art needs a visit

from Karma. In the meantime, since there is a element of "art is

whatever you can get away with" in the art critic world, people try to
get away with anything.



How is Canada disgusting because of what those three bums did?

73 de Jim, N2EY

They gave light (almost no) sentences to the *******s.

The people who did this should be either incarcerated or permanently in
a mental institution. They are out on the streets. To say that the
torture and mutilation of an animal is "art" of some form is merely
justification of their sociopathic condition.

Did you know that people that do that sort of thing (torture and kill
animals are more likely to turn into serial killers? To the extent that
it is considered a major indicator. Those three should be required to
register every place they go.

Any art exhibit that includes such a sociopathic thing is complicit in
the crime. I consider the promoters of this as guilty as the perps
themselves. If I worked for such an institution I would quit if they
were to show such a thing.

Any country where there wouldn't be a huge outcry and immediate
condemnation of such an event condones it.


This incident is indeed quite unconscionable, and the people who
committed this crime in the name of 'Art' surely deserve to have a
similar fate inflicted upon them. It also serves to highlight the
weak laws covering animal cruelty, not just here in Canada, but in the
US, and elsewhere, as well.

For example, Mike, in your own home state of PA, the penalty for
torturing animals is a whopping 90-day maximum sentence:

source: http://www.aspca.org

It isn't the punishment Leo, at least beyond the fact that there should
be a more severe punishment.

What it is about, at least to me, is that these people would be able to
continue to get publicity about this act.

If I lived in Toronto, I would be in contact with the organization
displaying this activity, my political representatives, and whoever else
may bring legal pressure on them.



PENNSYLVANIA

Penalty: Summary offense; maximum 90 days confinement and/or $50 -
$750 fine; possible forfeiture.



There is an excellent chance that, given the 'artistic' nature of the
offense, a fine and/or minimal jail time would quite probably be
imposed there as well. Note the 'possible forfeiture" above - the
perpetrator of this type of crime may not even have the animal removed
from his or her possession as part of the sentence!

Here, as well as there, exists no penalty whatsoever for killing an
animal outright - pet or otherwise - so long as it is done in a humane
manner.

Of course. We need to eat, and I have no objections to humanely killed
animals used for food or life's needs.

In both Canada and the US, any owner can walk in to the
neighbourhood vet's office and have an animal put down, no questions
asked. Or, one could take the old family dog out behind the barn and
shoot him. Perfectly legal, so long as no 'undue suffering' is
caused.

Is there an outcry? I live in Toronto, and can assure you that this
despicable psychopath and his sick film are the subject of public
protest and considerable hostility. The law, however, is the law.

As long as we, as a society, continue to pass animal rights
legislation which considers them simply as property rather than as
living entities, this sort of vileness will continue to proliferate.

Here in Canada, and in your own backyard too.

and there you have...the rest of the story....


Not quite - but you have a bit more of it now...!


Maybe they could do a documentary of the "cat man" in Ottawa. There's
something that could stand some coverage. I don't know if you've seen
that, but I was impressed by the cathouse on Government grounds. That
poor guy is probably reeling about this sordid story.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Leo wrote:

Not quite - but you have a bit more of it now...!

Thinking a bit on the subject, I should probably apologize for the
over the top reaction. Reading that story got the old rages going at a
weak moment.

Still I hope you good folk do something to stop the sicko's that made
the film, and the sicko's that are displaying the documentary of it.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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I've seen much more amusing stuff in
alt.tasteless.pictures or on www.ogrish.com

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:33:05 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Leo wrote:

Not quite - but you have a bit more of it now...!

Thinking a bit on the subject, I should probably apologize for the
over the top reaction. Reading that story got the old rages going at a
weak moment.

No apology required - I understand completely. This issue had a
similar effect on me!


Still I hope you good folk do something to stop the sicko's that made
the film, and the sicko's that are displaying the documentary of it.

Me too.


- Mike KB3EIA -

73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

This incident is indeed quite unconscionable, and the people who
committed this crime in the name of 'Art' surely deserve to have a
similar fate inflicted upon them. It also serves to highlight the
weak laws covering animal cruelty, not just here in Canada, but in the
US, and elsewhere, as well.

For example, Mike, in your own home state of PA, the penalty for
torturing animals is a whopping 90-day maximum sentence:

source: http://www.aspca.org



PENNSYLVANIA

Penalty: Summary offense; maximum 90 days confinement and/or $50 -
$750 fine; possible forfeiture.



Thanks, Leo. I'm sure other states have similarly weak laws.

There is an excellent chance that, given the 'artistic' nature of the
offense, a fine and/or minimal jail time would quite probably be
imposed there as well.

First offense, too....

Note the 'possible forfeiture" above - the
perpetrator of this type of crime may not even have the animal removed
from his or her possession as part of the sentence!

It was in the beer fridge.

Here, as well as there, exists no penalty whatsoever for killing an
animal outright - pet or otherwise - so long as it is done in a humane
manner. In both Canada and the US, any owner can walk in to the
neighbourhood vet's office and have an animal put down, no questions
asked. Or, one could take the old family dog out behind the barn and
shoot him. Perfectly legal, so long as no 'undue suffering' is
caused.

Key word is humane. I don't think you would have the dog suffer.

Is there an outcry? I live in Toronto, and can assure you that this
despicable psychopath and his sick film are the subject of public
protest and considerable hostility. The law, however, is the law.

And it can't be changed ex post facto.

As long as we, as a society, continue to pass animal rights
legislation which considers them simply as property rather than as
living entities, this sort of vileness will continue to proliferate.

Here in Canada, and in your own backyard too.

and there you have...the rest of the story....

Not quite - but you have a bit more of it now...!

I think almost everyone views the concept of intentionally torturing an
innocent animal as unacceptable. Doing so and recording it is even worse.

The big question for me is - what's up with those three that they would even
think of doing such a thing?

73 de Jim, N2EY