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Operation with Expired License
N2EY asked what the rule authorization was for operation of an
amateur statsion on an expired license if renewal was made in a timely manner. Section 1.62(a) of the FCC Rules (not a Part 97 Rule) says: §1.62 Operation pending action on renewal application. (a)(1) Where there is pending before the Commission at the time of expiration of license any proper and timely application for renewal of license with respect to any activity of a continuing nature, in accordance with the provisions of Section 9(b) of the Administrative Procedure Act, such license shall continue in effect without further action by the Commission until such time as the Commission shall make a final determination with respect to the renewal application. No operation by any licensee under this section shall be construed as a finding by the Commission that the operation will serve the public interest, convenience, or necessity, nor shall such operation in any way affect or limit the action of the Commission with respect to any pending application or proceeding. Lots of words for a simple concept. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
Phil Kane wrote:
N2EY asked what the rule authorization was for operation of an amateur statsion on an expired license if renewal was made in a timely manner. Section 1.62(a) of the FCC Rules (not a Part 97 Rule) says: §1.62 Operation pending action on renewal application. (a)(1) Where there is pending before the Commission at the time of expiration of license any proper and timely application for renewal of license with respect to any activity of a continuing nature, in accordance with the provisions of Section 9(b) of the Administrative Procedure Act, such license shall continue in effect without further action by the Commission until such time as the Commission shall make a final determination with respect to the renewal application. No operation by any licensee under this section shall be construed as a finding by the Commission that the operation will serve the public interest, convenience, or necessity, nor shall such operation in any way affect or limit the action of the Commission with respect to any pending application or proceeding. Lots of words for a simple concept. My translation to English: If you send in the renewal before your license's expiration date, you can continue to use the privs of the license until the FCC says that they ain't gonna renew it. I suppose the postmark (back in the old days of paper snail mail) would determine that you sent it before the license was to expire. One probably should do a return receipt to show to the FCC field guy that you did mail it and that they got it. But that just says that you mailed *something*, not that you sent the right form filled out right. If you're late sending it in, you have to stay off the air until you get the new license in teh mail (or at least when you show in the FCC database as having been renewed). Yes? |
robert casey wrote: Phil Kane wrote: N2EY asked what the rule authorization was for operation of an amateur statsion on an expired license if renewal was made in a timely manner. Section 1.62(a) of the FCC Rules (not a Part 97 Rule) says: =A71.62 Operation pending action on renewal application. (a)(1) Where there is pending before the Commission at the time of expiration of license any proper and timely application for renewal of license with respect to any activity of a continuing nature, in accordance with the provisions of Section 9(b) of the Administrative Procedure Act, such license shall continue in effect without further action by the Commission until such time as the Commission shall make a final determination with respect to the renewal application. No operation by any licensee under this section shall be construed as a finding by the Commission that the operation will serve the public interest, convenience, or necessity, nor shall such operation in any way affect or limit the action of the Commission with respect to any pending application or proceeding. Lots of words for a simple concept. Thanks, Phil! Seems to me that key words a "proper and timely application for renewal of license" "activity of a continuing nature, in accordance with the provisions of Section 9(b) of the Administrative Procedure Act," Lots of room for interpretation there? For example, if I mail in a renewal the day before expiration, is that "timely"? My translation to English: If you send in the renewal before your license's expiration date, you can continue to use the privs of the license until the FCC says that they ain't gonna renew it. I suppose the postmark (back in the old days of paper snail mail) would determine that you sent it before the license was to expire. See above about "timely". One probably should do a return receipt to show to the FCC field guy that you did mail it and that they got it. But that just says that you mailed *something*, not that you sent the right form filled out right. Exactly! And how does anyone know it's "proper" until the Commission rules? I bet the occasional old Form 610 still shows up at FCC Hq. for a renewal. If you're late sending it in, you have to stay off the air until you get the new license in teh mail (or at least when you show in the FCC database as having been renewed). Yes? That's how I see it. But with online renewal and the database, you don't need to wait for the mail. But what is the interpretation of "activity of a continuing nature"? Obviously a broadcaster or safety service transmitter that is on-air 24/7 would be covered. But most amateur operation is of an intermittent, unscheduled, unprogrammed nature - would it be considered "activity of a continuing nature" if the ham is on the air on an irregular schedule? -- So it appears that, in *some* cases (where a renewal application was previously filed), a ham with an expired license may be able to operate legally in the grace period. But definitely not in all cases. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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ups.com... : So it appears that, in *some* cases (where a renewal : application was previously filed), a ham with an expired : license may be able to operate legally in the grace : period. After all the indignant and self-righteous heat you've applied to LenOver on this issue, it appears you were equally ignorant of the content of Part 97. 97.21(a)(3)(ii) puts it this way: "When the application has been received by the FCC on or before the license expiration date, the license operating authority is continued until the final disposition of the application." Been there in the rules for decades, and is commonly known among most people who are even slightly conversant with Part 97. Didn't you catch on to this when KV4FZ stayed on the air for years after expiration while his renewal was being litigated? Of course, Herb being an accomplished Morse operator, you'd probably cut him more slack than you cut for LenOver (not that either deserves any). M.A.N. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
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ups.com... : Lots of room for interpretation there? Interpret this: §97.21(a)(3)(ii) "When the application has been received by the FCC on or before the license expiration date, the license operating authority is continued until the final disposition of the application." M.A.N. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
Mel A. Nomah wrote: wrote in message ups.com... : So it appears that, in *some* cases (where a renewal : application was previously filed), a ham with an expired : license may be able to operate legally in the grace : period. After all the indignant and self-righteous heat you've applied to LenOver on this issue, it appears you were equally ignorant of the content of Part 97. What "indignant and self-righteous heat"? Len claimed that *all* amateurs with expired licenses could *legally* continue to operate in the grace period. Nothing about renewals being filed, etc. I simply pointed out that he was mistaken on that point - but he won't admit it. If a ham with an expired license followed Len's claim and operated with an expired-but-in-the-grace-period license without a pending pre-expiration renewal application, s/he'd be violating Part 97. By comparison, after it was pointed out to me that the rules allow continued operation if a renewal is filed, I amended my original statements. If a ham with an expired license followed my claim and did not operate with an expired-but-in-the-grace-period license, there would be no violation of Part 97. If the ham had applied for renewal before expiration, s/he would miss out on operating when in fact it would be legal, but that's erring on the side of safety. 97.21(a)(3)(ii) puts it this way: "When the application has been received by the FCC on or before the license expiration date, the license operating authority is continued until the final disposition of the application." Yes, it does. And that's why I amended my statement. It could be argued that what 97.21(a) (3) (ii) says is that if you renew before the expiration date, the license never really expires in the first place. Been there in the rules for decades, and is commonly known among most people who are even slightly conversant with Part 97. So is the fact that hams *cannot* legally operate in the grace period with an expired license if no renewal application has been filed. But Len claims *all* hams can legally operate in the grace period. That's simply not so. Yet he won't admit it. Len gets very upset when someone like me points out his errors. Didn't you catch on to this when KV4FZ stayed on the air for years after expiration while his renewal was being litigated? Sure. But he applied for renewal long before the expiration date. Of course, Herb being an accomplished Morse operator, you'd probably cut him more slack than you cut for LenOver (not that either deserves any). Not at all - just the opposite. Herb, being a licensed amateur operator, should get *less* slack, because he should have known better. Len's ignorance isn't the problem; it's his resistance to accepting his mistakes and his attacks on those who point them out. Thanks for clearing up that point about renewals. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Mel A. Nomah wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... : So it appears that, in *some* cases (where a renewal : application was previously filed), a ham with an expired : license may be able to operate legally in the grace : period. After all the indignant and self-righteous heat you've applied to LenOver on this issue, it appears you were equally ignorant of the content of Part 97. 97.21(a)(3)(ii) puts it this way: "When the application has been received by the FCC on or before the license expiration date, the license operating authority is continued until the final disposition of the application." Mel, we've been discussing this for a while after Leo brought it up some days ago. Until the F.C.C. can receive and grant renewals immediately from all Hams, there will have to be such a rule. Otherwise they would have to determine some time lag, say a week, and then tell you you have to calculate the number of days in ten years minus 1 week. Remember it will be different for many hams, because it depends on how many leap years there have been since you got your ticket, and whether you got your ticket before the leap day if you got the ticket during a leap year. A lot easier to just say "Send your renewal in by the ten year expiry date, and you're covered". Been there in the rules for decades, and is commonly known among most people who are even slightly conversant with Part 97. Didn't you catch on to this when KV4FZ stayed on the air for years after expiration while his renewal was being litigated? That is an aberration, as the system is designed more for lawful users than scofflaws. Of course, Herb being an accomplished Morse operator, you'd probably cut him more slack than you cut for LenOver (not that either deserves any). - Mike KB3EIA - |
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Until the F.C.C. can receive and grant renewals immediately from all Hams, there will have to be such a rule. Otherwise they would have to determine some time lag, say a week, and then tell you you have to calculate the number of days in ten years minus 1 week. Remember it will be different for many hams, because it depends on how many leap years there have been since you got your ticket, and whether you got your ticket before the leap day if you got the ticket during a leap year. Remember too that there's a 90 day limit in the other direction - if you send in a renewal too early (more than 90 days before expiration) they send it back. I'm not sure why that 90-day rule exists. For many years you could get a simultaneous renewal whenever you modified. I was a ham for a long time before I ever actually "renewed" because every upgrade and address change resulted in a renewed license too. Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote: Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. It's that expensive, state-of-the-art data system they installed! Reminds me of the time clocks where I work...Used to be that you took a card, slid it into the clock, it "puched" your card, and you got got paid for teh time you worked. Now we have the KRONOS system (Reminds me of the science fiction movie of the same name...stops across everything) If you "punch in" one minute before your "block", they have to pay you for the previous 15 minute block. If you punch out one minute AFTER your "block", they ahve to pay you for the next 15 minute increment. Of course what's happening is that we have a cluster around the clock. And people are in such a panic at the end of the shift that stuff "get's done" just to get to the clock "on time". Technology doesn't always solve problems (ie: record keeping for the FCC) It more often than not creates more than it solves. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article .com, "K4YZ"
writes: N2EY wrote: Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. It's that expensive, state-of-the-art data system they installed! How do you know this, Steve? If a ham happens to move right at the time of renewal, the system can handle it. So that's not the problem. My speculation on vanity calls is based on the fact that a new vanity call issuance generates a renewal. That way, the fee doesn't have to be pro-rated. But I don't know why nonvanities couldn't be renewed when a ham moves or upgrades. That would reduce FCC paperwork. -- One effect of the old system was that it tended to make the number of amateurs appear larger than it really was. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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N2EY wrote: Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. It's that expensive, state-of-the-art data system they installed! Reminds me of the time clocks where I work...Used to be that you took a card, slid it into the clock, it "puched" your card, and you got got paid for teh time you worked. Now we have the KRONOS system (Reminds me of the science fiction movie of the same name...stops across everything) If you "punch in" one minute before your "block", they have to pay you for the previous 15 minute block. If you punch out one minute AFTER your "block", they ahve to pay you for the next 15 minute increment. Of course what's happening is that we have a cluster around the clock. And people are in such a panic at the end of the shift that stuff "get's done" just to get to the clock "on time". Yoiks! Have they noticed the loss of productivity? - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: So it appears that, in *some* cases (where a renewal application was previously filed), a ham with an expired license may be able to operate legally in the grace period. But definitely not in all cases. I would disagree somewhat. An application for renewal of a license means that the license is not expired as long as it is sent in on time. Well, that's one way to look at it. Assuming that there is no reason for not granting a renewed license, it will be granted, I hope I'm correct. That's correct in more than 99% of cases in the ARS. If you send your IRS forms in by April 15th, it is considered sending them in on time, even though the IRS has not received them. Send it in on April 16th, and you could have a problem. It is late. But does anyone *really* get gigged by IRS for being a day or two late? Most folks won't take the chance to find out. Seems a pretty simple thing to me. Send in your renewal by the expiry date of your license, and your license continues. Sure - *if* the FCC gets it before then. And if it's correct - if you forgot to fill out certain blocks, they might reject it. Send it in the day after the license expires, and the license remains expired until they re-issue it. Yep. Or do the modern thing and renew online. Takes a few minutes and you *know* they got it, because your renewal shows up in the database. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Of course what's happening is that we have a cluster around the clock. And people are in such a panic at the end of the shift that stuff "get's done" just to get to the clock "on time". When I worked for the now-departed-but-not-missed Douglas Aircraft Company, the hourly employees lined up at the clock some 10 minutes before the end of the shift (union-negotiated "wash-up time"), and no one punched out before the shift-end time. We engineers did not have to punch the clock, but we had to fill out a "daily time sheet" which served the same function. At other employers, the custom developed of filling out the sheets a whole day (or for some of us, week) at a time because we knew what "they" wanted our time to be charged to..... America, America.... Technology doesn't always solve problems (ie: record keeping for the FCC) It more often than not creates more than it solves. Especially when the prigramming for the system which has to run it is contracted out to the "private sector" rather than done in-house by folks who know what the goal is and have to live with the results themselves. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Until the F.C.C. can receive and grant renewals immediately from all Hams, there will have to be such a rule. Otherwise they would have to determine some time lag, say a week, and then tell you you have to calculate the number of days in ten years minus 1 week. Remember it will be different for many hams, because it depends on how many leap years there have been since you got your ticket, and whether you got your ticket before the leap day if you got the ticket during a leap year. Remember too that there's a 90 day limit in the other direction - if you send in a renewal too early (more than 90 days before expiration) they send it back. Do you know of a single instance of this happening? I'm not sure why that 90-day rule exists. For many years you could get a simultaneous renewal whenever you modified. I was a ham for a long time before I ever actually "renewed" because every upgrade and address change resulted in a renewed license too. They're trying to get us to read the directions. We say we're trainable. They're just checking. Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. 73 de Jim, N2EY I think it was the sequential call system that stopped the simultaneous renewals. ;)) |
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In article , Mike Coslo writes: Until the F.C.C. can receive and grant renewals immediately from all Hams, there will have to be such a rule. Otherwise they would have to determine some time lag, say a week, and then tell you you have to calculate the number of days in ten years minus 1 week. Remember it will be different for many hams, because it depends on how many leap years there have been since you got your ticket, and whether you got your ticket before the leap day if you got the ticket during a leap year. Remember too that there's a 90 day limit in the other direction - if you send in a renewal too early (more than 90 days before expiration) they send it back. I'm not sure why that 90-day rule exists. For many years you could get a simultaneous renewal whenever you modified. I was a ham for a long time before I ever actually "renewed" because every upgrade and address change resulted in a renewed license too. Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. Perhaps. What I would *really like* would be the ability to renew my license for say thirty years. That way I wouldn't have to worry about forgetting about it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote: What I would *really like* would be the ability to renew my license for say thirty years. That way I wouldn't have to worry about forgetting about it. Interesting concept - renew for your expected lifetime? IIRC, Japanese amateur radio operator licenses never expire, and Canadian amateur licenses expire when the licensee is 125 years old. Or something like that. In any event, their license terms are so long that they outlive the licensee. One problem with doing that sort of thing here is being able to reissue callsigns. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Phil Kane wrote: On 14 Jan 2005 06:15:16 -0800, wrote: IIRC, Japanese amateur radio operator licenses never expire, and Canadian amateur licenses expire when the licensee is 125 years old. Or something like that. In any event, their license terms are so long that they outlive the licensee. One problem with doing that sort of thing here is being able to reissue callsigns. What many Administrations do is to issue as lifetime operator license and a station license renewable by paying a fee and getting a validation sticker just like an auto license plate. The problem with that scheme is that you still have to remember to renew the thing, and it still takes admin work. In Japan, the station license needs to be renewed annually and costs 120 yen, last time I looked. There's an enormous difference between the number of JA operator and station licenses as a result. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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N2EY said:
In Japan, the station license needs to be renewed annually and costs 120 yen, last time I looked. There's an enormous difference between the number of JA operator and station licenses as a result. 73 de Jim, N2EY I'd recheck the math, Jim. 120 yen isn't even $1.00 I doubt that the Japanese governent is quite that generous! Perhaps Y120K...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Operation with Expired License
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 1/13/2005 6:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article .com, "K4YZ" writes: N2EY wrote: Perhaps the vanity call system stopped the simultaneous renewals. It's that expensive, state-of-the-art data system they installed! How do you know this, Steve? I read, Jim. I read the FCC's press releases about ULS down for hardware installations...I read about ULS down for software changes. If a ham happens to move right at the time of renewal, the system can handle it. So that's not the problem. My speculation on vanity calls is based on the fact that a new vanity call issuance generates a renewal. That way, the fee doesn't have to be pro-rated. But I don't know why nonvanities couldn't be renewed when a ham moves or upgrades. That would reduce FCC paperwork. It's that expensive, state-of-the-art data system they have, Jim. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article .com, "K4YZ"
writes: N2EY said: In Japan, the station license needs to be renewed annually and costs 120 yen, last time I looked. There's an enormous difference between the number of JA operator and station licenses as a result. 73 de Jim, N2EY I'd recheck the math, Jim. 120 yen isn't even $1.00 I doubt that the Japanese governent is quite that generous! Perhaps Y120K...?!?! Could be, Steve, I'm a little rusty on exchange rates. In any event, while JA operator licenses are free and last longer than the licensee, station licenses are a yearly renewal. Only an active amateur with his/her own station bothers with a station license, because one's operator license allows a JA ham to use someone else's station anyway. And a ham with only an operator license can always get a new station license (new callsign, though). Japan is a very interesting case study in the no-code-test argument. Japan has had no-code-test ham licenses *with some HF privileges* for several decades now. This fact is cited as the reason why there were so many hams in Japan relative to the size of the country. Even though Japan has less than half the US population, the number of JA hams (station licenses, not just operator licenses) exceeded the number of US hams more than 30 years ago. Since more than 90% of JA hams have no-code-test licenses, no-code-test proponents used to hold up Japan as an example of what the US should do. (Japan used a rather torturous argument to get around the treaty - their no-code-test ham licenses are QRP on HF, and Japan is an island, so the claim is that there's no interference problem. But since about 1995, JA ham license numbers have been in a downward spiral. Not just total number of station licenses but number of new licenses, operator and station. Some say the decline is due to factors like the poor state of the Japanese economy and/or the popularity of other electronics communications like the internet, cell phones, etc. IIRC, Japan still has code-testing for all but the fourth class license, even though the treaty changed more than 18 months ago. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote: But since about 1995, JA ham license numbers have been in a downward spiral. Not just total number of station licenses but number of new licenses, operator and station. Some say the decline is due to factors like the poor state of the Japanese economy and/or the popularity of other electronics communications like the internet, cell phones, etc. Wow! Until now, you've presented the numbers as purely an American failure. IIRC, Japan still has code-testing for all but the fourth class license, even though the treaty changed more than 18 months ago. Ooooh! Aaaah! not Miccolis |
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Japan is a very interesting case study in the no-code-test argument. Japan has had no-code-test ham licenses *with some HF privileges* for several decades now. This fact is cited as the reason why there were so many hams in Japan relative to the size of the country. Even though Japan has less than half the US population, the number of JA hams (station licenses, not just operator licenses) exceeded the number of US hams more than 30 years ago. Since more than 90% of JA hams have no-code-test licenses, no-code-test proponents used to hold up Japan as an example of what the US should do. (Japan used a rather torturous argument to get around the treaty - their no-code-test ham licenses are QRP on HF, and Japan is an island, so the claim is that there's no interference problem. That's called the 4th class license, limited to 10w output, for operation between 21-30 MHz, and below 8 MHz. Their 1st class license still requires 3 minutes of copy at 12 wpm, their 2nd class license requires 2 minutes at 9 wpm, and their 3rd class requires 2 minutes at 5 wpm. See the JARL web site. 73, Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
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N2EY wrote: In article .com, "K4YZ" writes: N2EY said: In Japan, the station license needs to be renewed annually and costs 120 yen, last time I looked. There's an enormous difference between the number of JA operator and station licenses as a result. 73 de Jim, N2EY I'd recheck the math, Jim. 120 yen isn't even $1.00 I doubt that the Japanese governent is quite that generous! Perhaps Y120K...?!?! Could be, Steve, I'm a little rusty on exchange rates. One of my biggest regrets from my FIRST tour to Japan (1980) was not buying up a bunch of Yen and burying it in a box somewhere!...It was over Y400 to the USD then! Next time I was back (only 6 months later) it was down to Y220 to Y250 to the USD. When I was last there (1990) it was Y105 to Y120 to the USD. It peaked briefly at Y144 then dropped again. I think it'be been pretty much stable in the low to mid 100's since then. The reciprocal (JA) license was around Y48,000 in 1981. Pretty steep! I was just tickled with my KA6 call for free! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article . com, "K4YZ"
writes: N2EY wrote: In article .com, "K4YZ" writes: N2EY said: In Japan, the station license needs to be renewed annually and costs 120 yen, last time I looked. There's an enormous difference between the number of JA operator and station licenses as a result. 73 de Jim, N2EY I'd recheck the math, Jim. 120 yen isn't even $1.00 I doubt that the Japanese governent is quite that generous! Perhaps Y120K...?!?! Could be, Steve, I'm a little rusty on exchange rates. One of my biggest regrets from my FIRST tour to Japan (1980) was not buying up a bunch of Yen and burying it in a box somewhere!...It was over Y400 to the USD then! Next time I was back (only 6 months later) it was down to Y220 to Y250 to the USD. When I was last there (1990) it was Y105 to Y120 to the USD. So if you'd bought $100 worth of yen in 1980 (40,000 yen) and then converted it back to dollars in 1990 when the rate was 110, those 40,000 yen would be worth $363. I did better than that in the stock market back about then....;-) It peaked briefly at Y144 then dropped again. I think it'be been pretty much stable in the low to mid 100's since then. :-( The reciprocal (JA) license was around Y48,000 in 1981. Over $100! Pretty steep! I was just tickled with my KA6 call for free! This may be one reason for the popularity of nonresident aliens getting US callsigns... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote: In article . com, "K4YZ" writes: N2EY wrote: In article .com, "K4YZ" writes: N2EY said: In Japan, the station license needs to be renewed annually and costs 120 yen, last time I looked. There's an enormous difference between the number of JA operator and station licenses as a result. 73 de Jim, N2EY I'd recheck the math, Jim. 120 yen isn't even $1.00 I doubt that the Japanese governent is quite that generous! Perhaps Y120K...?!?! Could be, Steve, I'm a little rusty on exchange rates. One of my biggest regrets from my FIRST tour to Japan (1980) was not buying up a bunch of Yen and burying it in a box somewhere!...It was over Y400 to the USD then! Next time I was back (only 6 months later) it was down to Y220 to Y250 to the USD. When I was last there (1990) it was Y105 to Y120 to the USD. So if you'd bought $100 worth of yen in 1980 (40,000 yen) and then converted it back to dollars in 1990 when the rate was 110, those 40,000 yen would be worth $363. I did better than that in the stock market back about then....;-) And I know a lot of folks who were doing real well until 1989. It peaked briefly at Y144 then dropped again. I think it'be been pretty much stable in the low to mid 100's since then. :-( The reciprocal (JA) license was around Y48,000 in 1981. Over $100! Yeppers. Pretty steep! I was just tickled with my KA6 call for free! This may be one reason for the popularity of nonresident aliens getting US callsigns... Why? Wouldn't do them any good. Those "KA" calls in Japan are only good for persons covered under SOFA...(S)tatus (O)f (F)orces) (A)greement. Joe or Jane American visiting in Japan did not qualify for an AMRS (not to be confused with MARS) assignment. Joe Nonresident Licensee certainly wouldn't qualify either! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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D. Stussy wrote: Not quite but very close. Hey Dieter...Nothing about how Bill is cheating Amateur Radio and how you're gonna save us from him...?!?! I'm impressed! Steve, K4YZ |
Correct, but an Aussie can apply for an "Apparatus Licence" (you must
already hold a Certificate of Proficiency) from 1 day to 5 years. VK3HAG "Barry OGrady" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:38:43 -0800 (PST), "Phil Kane" wrote: On 14 Jan 2005 06:15:16 -0800, wrote: IIRC, Japanese amateur radio operator licenses never expire, and Canadian amateur licenses expire when the licensee is 125 years old. Or something like that. In any event, their license terms are so long that they outlive the licensee. One problem with doing that sort of thing here is being able to reissue callsigns. What many Administrations do is to issue as lifetime operator license and a station license renewable by paying a fee and getting a validation sticker just like an auto license plate. Its a bit like that in Australia. An amateur certificate of proficiency, which entitles the holder to hold an amateur license, is for life, but the license must be renewed each year. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane -Barry ======== Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information. |
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