Dee Flint wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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wrote in
oups.com:

[snip]

It's the classic case of a red herring diversion. Blame the code
test
for everyhting bad while the real problems are not addressed.

73 de Jim, N2EY

It depends what you mean. Will repealing the code test
provide a vast
increase in numbers? No. Will it provide some increase? Yes.

I'd say that's more like a maybe rather than a yes.

Good point!

Are there
thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory
trapped above
30 MHz? Yes.

There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz.

Agreed.

Consider how many Novices and Techs who have passed Element 1 have not
upgraded, even after almost 5 years. Are they "trapped"
because of the General written test?

Will there be a large increase in HF use? Yes.

That is also a maybe. If the code is dropped this year,
many will buy the
rigs and try it but may be sadly disappointed in the results
since we are in
the trough of the sunspot cycle and results are so often poor
right now.

Depends on what people expect.

If someone expects to put up a ground-mounted "all band" vertical,
connect a 100 W transceiver and make SSB DXCC in
a few weeks without much effort, they'll probably be
sadly disappointed.

OTOH, 80 meter CW has been great the past couple of weeks. Good QSOs of
a couple hundred miles with modest stations at both ends.

All depends what you expect.

They may not stick with it until conditions improve since
they won't have
the skills to participate in the second most used mode
of shortwave communications.

Second most used by hams, anyway.

But I wonder if it would even get that far. The license
is only the first step - getting a station together and
working is a much bigger task than passing Element 1.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dave Heil babbled on Sun, Mar 6 2005 1:26 pm:


wrote:
"Dee Flint" on Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:24:14

Fortunately I only see Len's idiotic comments when someone replies
to them.

Tsk. PCTA Double Standard invoked. :-)

Speaking against morse code is "idiotic!" :-)

Hell, she didn't write that, Len. She said your idiotic comments.
:-)

Ostrich syndrome. Hiding one's head in the sand does NOT
make them disappear. :-)

It makes you disappear for her, Len. She's built a fence behind her
house so as not to have to view the unsightly landfill next door.
You're the unsightly landfill.

Oh, poor babies! Truth is "ugly" and old standards are "beautiful?"

By all means, everyone that CANNOT argue all sides of an
issue do their ostrich thing! Delude yourselves! Practice
denial.


Would you like to be disciplined by Dee, Leonard?

I'm not into sado-masochism. Sounds like YOUR thing. :-)

Perhaps you can get her to don some of those invisible robes
you like to write about.

Tsk. There's an old fable called "The Emperor's New Clothes,"
all about vanity and self-righteousness, self-delusion. That's
so YOU, big badass Dave.

Dee appears to be only slightly deluded, locking out opposing
views. Those are too "uncomfortable" for brainwashed folk.

Maybe you'd prefer your other favorite, the Waffen SS outfit.

Not my bag at all. Waffen SS is SO YOU! :-)


The rest of the radio world thinks of morse code as a
"Once Was," and such isn't in any "2nd," nor "3rd," nor
any category. :-)

As soon as the "rest of the radio world" gets to dictate what happens
in
amateur radio, I'll begin to worry.

Actually, they DO sometimes dictate. Administrations do what
is called Spectrum Management based on the needs of ALL in
the electromagnetic spectrum and frequency assignments.
YOU can't get what you want, no matter if you've been in
ham radio for four decades. :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk. ONLY in amateur radio is that old 1844
morse code considered an ultimate skill achievement
worthy of amateur radio license "qualification!" Wow!

Maybe you've noticed the name of the newsgroup.

Maybe you've noticed your head isn't on straight...


You offend quite a number of folks, Len. Yes, it's awful.

The number is at least 3. TS.

Perhaps Coslo might make it 4. Coslonaut wants so much
to be an olde-tymer he'll even refer to himself as an "extra
lite" to show his sycophantsies (e.g. synchronous fantasies).

All are NOT required to march to the same beat of the
same drummer. You want to drum the cadence but you
would be better off to beat it.

wrote:
Dave Heil babbled on Sun, Mar 6 2005 1:26
pm:


wrote:
"Dee Flint" on Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:24:14

Fortunately I only see Len's idiotic comments when someone
replies
to them.

Tsk. PCTA Double Standard invoked. :-)

Speaking against morse code is "idiotic!" :-)

Hell, she didn't write that, Len. She said your idiotic comments.
:-)

Ostrich syndrome. Hiding one's head in the sand does NOT
make them disappear. :-)

It makes you disappear for her, Len. She's built a fence behind her
house so as not to have to view the unsightly landfill next door.
You're the unsightly landfill.

Oh, poor babies! Truth is "ugly" and old standards are
"beautiful?"

By all means, everyone that CANNOT argue all sides of an
issue do their ostrich thing! Delude yourselves! Practice
denial.

So far, Lennie, the ONLY person trying to practice "old standards"
is you...You're still that pimply faced kid at ADA in 1953, and nothing
else is "real" radio.

Would you like to be disciplined by Dee, Leonard?

I'm not into sado-masochism. Sounds like YOUR thing.

Ahhhhh...but you ARE into SM, Lennie!

You keep posting stuff that's going to get you embarrassed or made
a fool of, do anyway, then go back for more time after time.

Perhaps you can get her to don some of those invisible robes
you like to write about.

Tsk. There's an old fable called "The Emperor's New Clothes,"
all about vanity and self-righteousness, self-delusion. That's
so YOU, big badass Dave.

Dee appears to be only slightly deluded, locking out opposing
views. Those are too "uncomfortable" for brainwashed folk.

Maybe you'd prefer your other favorite, the Waffen SS outfit.

Not my bag at all. Waffen SS is SO YOU!

More Godwin. Lennie DOES love his Nazi analogies!

The rest of the radio world thinks of morse code as a
"Once Was," and such isn't in any "2nd," nor "3rd," nor
any category. :-)

As soon as the "rest of the radio world" gets to dictate what
happens
in
amateur radio, I'll begin to worry.

Actually, they DO sometimes dictate. Administrations do what
is called Spectrum Management based on the needs of ALL in
the electromagnetic spectrum and frequency assignments.
YOU can't get what you want, no matter if you've been in
ham radio for four decades.

And YOU can't get what YOU want, even after four decades of whining
about it.

Ya still got to take the test, written or otherwise, to get an
Amateur Radio license.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. ONLY in amateur radio is that old 1844
morse code considered an ultimate skill achievement
worthy of amateur radio license "qualification!" Wow!

Maybe you've noticed the name of the newsgroup.

Maybe you've noticed your head isn't on straight...

BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! !
BOY! IF THAT ISN'T THE KETTLE CALLING THE FRYING PLAN BLACK!

You offend quite a number of folks, Len. Yes, it's awful.

The number is at least 3. TS.

Actually, with the exception of Brain, Vipul, and a handful of your
anonymous rooting section, just about everyone.

Perhaps Coslo might make it 4. Coslonaut wants so much
to be an olde-tymer he'll even refer to himself as an "extra
lite" to show his sycophantsies (e.g. synchronous fantasies).

All are NOT required to march to the same beat of the
same drummer. You want to drum the cadence but you
would be better off to beat it.

It's not about "marching to a different drummer".

It's about trying to walk over others.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:


Perhaps Coslo might make it 4. Coslonaut wants so much
to be an olde-tymer he'll even refer to himself as an "extra
lite" to show his sycophantsies (e.g. synchronous fantasies).

I didn't notice that in the original post.

What a very, very odd thing to type..........

One of the first times I have been accused of trying to impress others.
Go figure. Mostly I just irritate others.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

Perhaps Coslo might make it 4. Coslonaut wants so much
to be an olde-tymer he'll even refer to himself as an "extra
lite" to show his sycophantsies (e.g. synchronous fantasies).

I didn't notice that in the original post.

What a very, very odd thing to type..........

It is the latest in a very long string of very odd things which Leonard
has typed.

One of the first times I have been accused of trying to impress others.
Go figure. Mostly I just irritate others.

Mike, Mike, Mike. You have a callsign. You're guilty of trying to
impress Len.

Dave K8MN

Dee Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

[snip]


As the future would pan out, we have lost numbers, and a lot of them the
Non-coded types.

As a ship that is almost stopped proves, turning the rudder does almost
nothing, or when the interest rate goes very low, adjusting it does almost
nothing, eliminating the 5WPM Morse code will have no positive effect on
the numbers of new hams, and the most likely effect will be that with the
lesser effort, more and more will get into the hobby with only slight
interest, and then drop out. That is not what we need.

Hey, do I get a prize for that freakin' long sentence?

- Mike KB3EIA -



How does it stack up against some of Edgar Allan Poe's sentences? I know he
wrote some doozies when it came to length.

Yeah. Now that guy could write! He was a pretty fair amateur physicist too.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave Heil wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

wrote:

Perhaps Coslo might make it 4. Coslonaut wants so much
to be an olde-tymer he'll even refer to himself as an "extra
lite" to show his sycophantsies (e.g. synchronous fantasies).

I didn't notice that in the original post.

What a very, very odd thing to type..........


It is the latest in a very long string of very odd things which Leonard
has typed.


One of the first times I have been accused of trying to impress others.
Go figure. Mostly I just irritate others.


Mike, Mike, Mike. You have a callsign. You're guilty of trying to
impress Len.

Heck, I've had it all wrong, Dave. I thouhgt having a callsign
*offended* him!

Maybe he's right and I am a little dull...


- mike KB3EIA -