bb wrote:
wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am


Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.

Presumably the

only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT

button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)


Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash" said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


People around my area say "mash" as in referring to "pressing"
something I say it too at times. In general it is said in contesxt such
as "Hey Bob, mash that light switch will ya?

I'll quite saying mash if it offends all of you that much.


- Mike KB3EIA -

(who does mash his PTT when he works SSB)

"Kim" wrote in message
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"bb" wrote in message
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wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am

Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.
Presumably the
only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT
button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)

Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash" said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


I think I just found Larry Roll.

Kim W5TIT



Listen W5TWIT, I done told ya....stick with what you know.....NOTHING.

Dan/W4NTI

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:
wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am


Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.

Presumably the

only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT

button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)


Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash" said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


People around my area say "mash" as in referring to "pressing" something I
say it too at times. In general it is said in contesxt such as "Hey Bob,
mash that light switch will ya?

I'll quite saying mash if it offends all of you that much.


- Mike KB3EIA -

(who does mash his PTT when he works SSB)


A real "communicator" will say 'key the mike', or 'key the circuit'.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote in news:1109271864.160442.290220
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Alun L. Palmer wrote:
"bb" wrote in news:1109208496.863217.225020
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wrote:
Jim, , wrote on Tues, Feb 22 2005 1:47 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
wrote in news:1109009984.323422.143080
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

5wpm isn't very fast, but why is it required to operate phone?

A couple of reasons:

For the same reason hams have to pass written *theory* tests to
use *manufactured* rigs with no critical tuneup adjustments.

1. The FCC decided it needed to test radio amateurs as part of
their task of regulating all U.S. civil radio.

And that testing includes both written and code testing. FCC has
decided
that both are necessary for HF/MF license privileges. Of course that
could have been changed any time after mid-July of 2003, but so far FCC
has decided not to.

2. The VEC Question Pool Committee decides WHAT
the questions are; FCC only specifies a total number and
the percentage correct for passing.

INCORRECT!

*ALL* questions in the written exam pools have to be approved by FCC,
both for inclusion and removal. While the questions, answers and
distractors are
created by the QPC, they must be approved by FCC.

3. Any other reason is meaningless... ;-)

The plain, simple fact of the matter is that the same arguments used
against the code test can be used - and are being used - against
almost all of what is in the written test.

The USA VEC decided to return the Morse Code exam to 13-15WPM rate
despite FCC regulations to the contrary.

INCORRECT!

The use of Farnsowrth-spaced Morse is simply a recommended practice,
not a requirement. If someone wants non-Farnsworth Morse for Element 1,
the VEs will accomodate them.

Not exactly. It's Farnsworth method with an overall speed of 5wpm.
That gives the brain longer to decode each character, and the hgiher
speed of the individual characters still doesn't force you to read the
character as a whole. It's still possible to read the individual dots
and dashes.

It may be possible for *some* individuals to count dits and dahs at
13-16 wpm character speed, but for most people who have been evaluated
it is easier to hear the letter or number as a unit of sound. The
exaggerated spacing between the letters/numbers allows more recognition
time, and particularly more time to write or type the letter/number.
Hence Farnsworth spacing usually makes it *easier* to pass the test.

Bearing all that in mind, I have no problem with it.

Nor I.

What did annoy me was that the NCVEC did eliminate the multi-choice
option in direct response to the abolition of the 13 and 20wpm tests,
so the 5wpm test is now harder than it was before, for no other reason
than to make it harder.

IIRC, FCC outlawed multiple choice code tests. While NCVEC may have
commented against them, FCC makes the rules.

Multiple-choice was eliminated because FCC decided it didn't really
test the skill as required. There was a *lot* of comment against the
multiple choice code test.

Perhaps a compromise could be used. Suppose the code test were replaced
with a test of - say - skill in solving transmission-line problems with
the Smith Chart...

73 de Jim, N2EY



There already are Smith Chart questions in the pool

wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am

I don't advocate changing the rules because I had trouble with
one of them.

Right..."no gain, no pain." Not to mention NO GUTS
to try eliminating it by lawful means like "democratic
principles guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution."

Why would have to have the guts to try eliminating a regulation when
they support retention of the regulation?

You've petitioned your government for change. Nobody stopped you. I'm
sure you've been disappointed a number of times in your life when you
petitioned government and the changes you desired just weren't
implemented. Other folks have desires and the ability to petition.

You wanted to buy into the old beliefs.

You didn't and are still on the sidelines.

You did it.

....and you didn't. There's been no "Extra right out of the box" despite
your boast.

Now you can have fun sneering at all who don't care
to buy that.

Yes, he can. I can. Everyone who expended the effort to obtain an
amateur radio license can. Your task, Mr. Anderson, is to learn to deal
with it.

You're a "somebody" in a radio hobby
activity! [applause, applause...] :-)

....and you are a nobody in amateur radio! [wilder applause] :-)

The ARRL is proud of you.

How would you know? You are no more involved in the ARRL than you are
in amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

From: "bb" on 23 Feb 2005 17:38:53 -0800

wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am
Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.
Presumably the
only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT
button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)

Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They are

of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash" said

button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the
microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

[sounds like Dan of a few years ago, reminiscing of how hams
used to do early FM by YELLING into their VFOs...:-) ]

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to properly

close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

Agreed. Amateur morsemen are the very EPITOME of
"radio operators." None are their equal.

They are Superhams, faster than a speeding TTY, able to
jump tall pile-ups at a single bound. They wear hair shirts
emblazoned with a Big S and carry shiny Raddio Kopp
shields to ward off evildoers speaking of Change.

All who do not love, honor, worship, and obey them are
Full of Hate For All Radio Amateurs!

For it is written.

...in here. :-)

Kim wrote:
"bb" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am

Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.
Presumably the
only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT
button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)

Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They
are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash"
said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the
microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to
properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


I think I just found Larry Roll.

Kim W5TIT

Oh, dear God! I forgot the smiley!!!

Sorry Kim, that must have been a real blast from the past.

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Kim" wrote in message
. com...
"bb" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am

Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.
Presumably the
only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT
button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)

Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They
are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash"
said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the
microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to
properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so
with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


I think I just found Larry Roll.

Kim W5TIT



Listen W5TWIT, I done told ya....stick with what you
know.....NOTHING.

Dan/W4NTI


Hey Dan, how 'bout scrapin that dirt from under yer fingernails.

Michael Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am


Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.

Presumably the

only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT

button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)


Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They
are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash"
said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the
microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to
properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


People around my area say "mash" as in referring to "pressing"
something I say it too at times. In general it is said in contesxt
such
as "Hey Bob, mash that light switch will ya?

I'll quite saying mash if it offends all of you that much.


- Mike KB3EIA -

(who does mash his PTT when he works SSB)

Mike, it's just that unconscious bias against all things not Morse
showing through. It is the mark of the true Morseman.

bb

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:
wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote on Feb 22 2005 9:58 am


Buy a rig, an antenna, and pay some people to put it up.

Presumably the

only requirement is to know how to read, talk and mash the PTT

button.

"Mash" the push-to-talk button? That means those
owners have to know where to get the PTT control
fixed! :-)


Yep, he said "mash," but must have been mistaken when he said they
would know how to read.

You see, people that use a microphone are clods. They would never
"depress" the ptt button, nor would they "press down" on it. They
are
of low intelligence and barely human, and only know how to "mash"
said
button. If no one is looking, they may actually step on the
microphone
with bare, dirty feet and yell into it.

People who use a telegraph key are genteel. They know how to
properly
close the contacts, form a character, and move on. They do so
with
their pinkie finger extended, and have no dirt under their nails.

For it is written.


People around my area say "mash" as in referring to "pressing"
something I
say it too at times. In general it is said in contesxt such as "Hey
Bob,
mash that light switch will ya?

I'll quite saying mash if it offends all of you that much.


- Mike KB3EIA -

(who does mash his PTT when he works SSB)


A real "communicator" will say 'key the mike', or 'key the
circuit'.

Dan/W4NTI

Sorry, but real "communicators" refer to "key" when they load an
encryption code.

BOL, bb