wrote:

wrote:
From: Dave Heil who, blabbering away on an obvious Troll topic,
scribbled on Thurs, Mar 10 2005 12:14 am:

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


You forget his comments to FCC about things like an age
requirement....

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the minimum age
requirement
for radio amateurs.

Tsk. So hard up for Personal Attack subjects that
you pick something from my Comment to the FCC made
SIX YEARS AGO? Wasn't done in here first...

Why is it a "Personal Attack" to disagree with your comments, Len?

It is also a personal attack when you quote something Len has written.

You wanted FCC to deny amateur licenses to anyone under the age of
14, regardless of their ability to pass the required tests.

Yet you have not produced one single bit of evidence that the licensing
of people under the age of 14 has produced *any* problems for the
amateur radio service.

Not one example of an under-14 ham violating any rules, getting an NAL
or enforcement letter, or even complaints from other hams.

Okay, I'll wait until you stop cheering for all the
"mature, responsible" six-year-olds featured on the
ARRL news as "world's youngest hams?" Riiiiight...
mature and responsible ALL BY THEMSELVES! :-)

You would forbid people more than twice as old from getting an amateur
license, Len. Without any evidence.

Len's posts on the subject indicate that he has problems with children
having done something which he himself has not attained.

How about the 9-year-old "extra?" A "mature,
responsible, law-abiding" pre-teener? :-)

Yes.

Riiiiight...ALL of them wouldn't think of operating
without parental supervision, would they? Uh-huh.

Why should they need parental supervision to operate? FCC,
the expert agency on US civil radio regulation, thinks they're
qualified.

My parents didn't supervise me or need to supervise me when I operated
as a fourteen-year-old Novice. Did your parents ever supervise you,
Jim?

Back in 1948, a 9-year-old local girl passed the Class B exam. In front
of the FCC examiner.

This was back when the license test required diagram drawing and had
essay questions. 13 wpm code, sending and receiving, too. No Novice
class back then, either, it was Class B from a standing start.

Now of course her dad was a ham and she had lots of help. But if the
FCC then and now thought young people were qualified to be hams, and
you have no evidence of problems caused by their youth, why should
there be an age limit?

You're writing of the late Jesse Bieberman's daughter?

Tsk. I've never pursued the matter with the FCC
since 1999 but it seems some in here just can't let
it go.

Why should they? You have not admitted that age requirements for a ham
license are a bad idea.

He issued the comments to the Commission. He never followed it up with
a retraction if he changed his mind. All indications (even those in
this recent post) are that Len stills believes that licensing children
is a bad thing.

They MUST bring it up again, time and time
again as if this is the most hideous of gaffes,
practically a felonious act against the noble, law-
fearing amateurs who never, ever do anything wrong.

I don't see it as the most hideous of gaffes, just one in a long string
of gaffes.

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Dave K8MN

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the minimum age
requirement
for radio amateurs.

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the out of band french radio
amateurs on six meters.

Len worked guys on 6m? When did that happen?

Dave K8MN

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

So at what age did you get your first license?

Seventeen. And you?

Well then, Jim, that arbitrary rule wouldn't affect you.

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the minimum age
requirement
for radio amateurs.

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the out of band french
radio
amateurs on six meters.

Len worked guys on 6m? When did that happen?

Dave K8MN

From downtown Dar es Salam.

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:


So at what age did you get your first license?


Seventeen. And you?

I got mine at 46. Who's giving out the prizes?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
From: Dave Heil who, blabbering away on an obvious Troll
topic, scribbled on Thurs, Mar 10 2005 12:14 am:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

You forget his comments to FCC about things like an age
requirement....

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the minimum age
requirement for radio amateurs.

Tsk. So hard up for Personal Attack subjects that
you pick something from my Comment to the FCC made
SIX YEARS AGO? Wasn't done in here first...

Why is it a "Personal Attack" to disagree with your comments,
Len?

It is also a personal attack when you quote something Len has
written.

It seems that anyhting other than complete agreement is
considered a "Personal Attack" by Len.

You wanted FCC to deny amateur licenses to anyone
under the age of
14, regardless of their ability to pass the required tests.

Yet you have not produced one single bit of evidence
that the licensing
of people under the age of 14 has produced *any*
problems for the amateur radio service.

Not one example of an under-14 ham violating any rules,
getting an NAL
or enforcement letter, or even complaints from other hams.

Okay, I'll wait until you stop cheering for all the
"mature, responsible" six-year-olds featured on the
ARRL news as "world's youngest hams?" Riiiiight...
mature and responsible ALL BY THEMSELVES! :-)

You would forbid people more than twice as old from
getting an amateur
license, Len. Without any evidence.

Len's posts on the subject indicate that he has problems
with children
having done something which he himself has not attained.

Len has admitted he has a problem including children in
what he considers an "adult" activity.

How about the 9-year-old "extra?" A "mature,
responsible, law-abiding" pre-teener? :-)

Yes.

Riiiiight...ALL of them wouldn't think of operating
without parental supervision, would they? Uh-huh.

Why should they need parental supervision to operate? FCC,
the expert agency on US civil radio regulation, thinks they're
qualified.

My parents didn't supervise me or need to supervise me when I
operated
as a fourteen-year-old Novice. Did your parents ever
supervise you, Jim?

Not in my amateur radio operations. I was licensed at age 13, and was
the first amateur radio operator in my family.

But I was "in radio" a lot earlier, building receivers and such.
In fact, the way I learned Morse Code was to build a simple
receiver and code-practice oscillator from scavenged parts, and
listen to hams use it on the air. Also sending with the oscillator and
key. My Elmers were books.

Back in 1948, a 9-year-old local girl passed the Class B
exam. In front of the FCC examiner.

Still licensed and active, too.

This was back when the license test required diagram
drawing and had
essay questions. 13 wpm code, sending and receiving, too.
No Novice
class back then, either, it was Class B from a standing start.

Now of course her dad was a ham and she had lots of help.
But if the
FCC then and now thought young people were qualified to
be hams, and
you have no evidence of problems caused by their youth,
why should
there be an age limit?

You're writing of the late Jesse Bieberman's daughter?

Yes. W3KT is a legend in these parts. I met him a few times,
and the reputation is deserved.

Tsk. I've never pursued the matter with the FCC
since 1999 but it seems some in here just can't let
it go.

Why should they? You have not admitted that age
requirements for a ham
license are a bad idea.

He issued the comments to the Commission.
He never followed it up with
a retraction if he changed his mind.
All indications (even those in
this recent post) are that Len stills believes
that licensing children
is a bad thing.

Agreed. Perhaps we should quote that post....

They MUST bring it up again, time and time
again as if this is the most hideous of gaffes,
practically a felonious act against the noble, law-
fearing amateurs who never, ever do anything wrong.

I don't see it as the most hideous of gaffes, just one in a
long string of gaffes.

Just a bad idea.

Let us also not forget that Len accused the VEs and ARRL of "very mild
fraud" in connection with some preschoolers being licensed. He appears
to claim that no child that young could possibly pass the tests. Yet he
does not know any of the people involved.

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Here's a couple of plain, non-loaded questions for Len:

What problems has the licensing of people under the age
of 14 caused the amateur radio service?

What enforcement actions has the FCC pursued against
radio amateurs under the age of 14?

What should FCC do about the current licenses of
under-14 amateurs?


I doubt we'll get any straight answers, though.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Mike Coslo wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:


So at what age did you get your first license?


Seventeen. And you?

I got mine at 46. Who's giving out the prizes?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike, you're not affected either. So you need not be concerned.

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Len's posts on the subject indicate that he has problems
with children
having done something which he himself has not attained.

Len has admitted he has a problem including children in
what he considers an "adult" activity.

From:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6?dmode=source

Quoting Len Anderson's statements about himself:

"I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a
primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity. The
dialectical difference negation part is pure nonsense and far-liberal
pipedreaming."

Kinda says it all...

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the minimum age
requirement
for radio amateurs.

He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the out of band french
radio
amateurs on six meters.

Len worked guys on 6m? When did that happen?

From downtown Dar es Salam.

When was Len in Dar es "Salam"?

Dave K8MN

wrote:

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Len's posts on the subject indicate that he has problems
with children
having done something which he himself has not attained.

Len has admitted he has a problem including children in
what he considers an "adult" activity.

From:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6?dmode=source

Quoting Len Anderson's statements about himself:

"I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a
primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity. The
dialectical difference negation part is pure nonsense and far-liberal
pipedreaming."

Kinda says it all...

I see a problem in Len's statement. Why should he have trouble
"integrating" youngsters in an activity in which he is not involved?

Dave K8MN