Hello One and All,

Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a
bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam
Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every
last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong,
here's a thread, JUST for him.

So...Does anyone have anything NEW to discuss about the "Morse
Code Exam" issue? Does anyone care to engage Lennie in yet another
"debate" on the issue? He sure is sore because we've tired of it and
won't play his game any more, but his one track mind is still raring to
go.

Betya I can sum up a lot of his "arguments" right now and save
some bandwidth:

(1) He "keyed up" some Army transmitters (not Amateur Radio) as a
radio repairman in the 50's without the benefit of a Morse Code exam,
ergo no one should have to take any exam.

(2) He spent a lifelong career as a bench technician, ergo he
shouldn't have to take another written exam. Afterall, he spent 14
years in night school to get a 4 year BSEE degree, so that was ALL the
work he should ever have to do again, ever!

(3) He has a GROL that he claims allows him to transmit anywhere.
But he keeps omitting the part where his license also requires a duly
authorized Station License or authorization for the "station" he is
"operating". That station license will dictate what discreet frequency
he MUST use, what specific power limits he must observe, and in many
cases even specifies the antenna system to be used right down to field
strengths and ERP.

(4) He knows a few licensed Amateurs, a couple of them Extras,
ergo he can say anything mean and despicable he cares to say about
Amateurs in general or Extras in particular. Even moreso if the Extra
is a 20WPM era one. Double that if they are actually proficient in
Morse at or above 20WPM.

(5) He'll "argue" that since the physics of radio wave
propagation are the same for "commercial" radio as opposed to "Amateur"
radio, that there is no difference in the two. He continually tries to
compare one to the other. They're not the same. Any referal to the
Basis and Purpose of Part 97 will be dismissed as "administrative
language" that doesn't mean what it says.

(6) He'll "argue" that Amateur Radio is "just a hobby", despite
the fact that the enabling regulations for Amateur Radio say nothing of
the sort. Any suggestion of volunteerism, civic duty, emergency
service or other educational or philanthropic use of Amateur Radio will
be dismissed as "patriotic buffoonery".

(7) He'll "argue" that Amateurs, especially the aforementioned
Amateur Extras, are mired in 1930's era policy and practices despite
the fact that every one of the regular posters of this NG has made
comments to the FCC promoting significant changes to Amateur
regulations, including Morse examinations and relevency. And after
berating Amateurs for thier alleged stonewalling, he'll treat us all to
yet another "...there I was at ADA in Japan in 1953..." war story that
has absolutely no relevence to Amateur Radio policy in 2005, let alone
anything to do with Morse Code at ANY time!

So...my opinion on what's most likely to transpire having been
stated, let's get on with a spirited debate on the Morse Code Exam
issue!

Remember...Morse Code Exam issues ONLY! Lennie Says So!

73

Steve, K4YZ

On 26 Feb 2005 03:06:41 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:

Hello One and All,

Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a
bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam
Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every
last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong,
here's a thread, JUST for him.


Only new to me, perhaps, but here goes....

Drop the code requirement for all US amateur exams. Not for the good
of amateur radio, but to end this 25 year old argument!


Buck
--
For what it's worth.

"Buck" wrote in message
news
On 26 Feb 2005 03:06:41 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:

Hello One and All,

Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a
bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam
Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every
last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong,
here's a thread, JUST for him.


Only new to me, perhaps, but here goes....

Drop the code requirement for all US amateur exams. Not for the good
of amateur radio, but to end this 25 year old argument!


Buck
--
For what it's worth.

Actually your reason is better than most. However I don't believe in
appeasement so I can't agree with it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:07:03 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote:


"Buck" wrote in message
news
On 26 Feb 2005 03:06:41 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:

Hello One and All,

Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a
bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam
Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every
last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong,
here's a thread, JUST for him.


Only new to me, perhaps, but here goes....

Drop the code requirement for all US amateur exams. Not for the good
of amateur radio, but to end this 25 year old argument!


Buck
--
For what it's worth.

Actually your reason is better than most. However I don't believe in
appeasement so I can't agree with it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



LOL, I understand. But generally, this kills the argument someone has
who is trying to lure me into a discussion I am tired of. Around
here, we have two locals each that takes the opposite extreme, One is
not to do away with ANY cw and the other is do away with all. They
are constantly trying to lure someone into the argument either to get
sympathy or to state their point.

Personally, I would vote to at least keep it on Extra. I wouldn't
mind keeping it on General and introduce a new beginner level that
authorizes limited no-code use that is still useful and fun for the
licensee.


Buck
--
For what it's worth.

K4YZ wrote:
Hello One and All,

Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a
bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam
Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every
last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him
wrong,
here's a thread, JUST for him.

So...Does anyone have anything NEW to discuss about the "Morse
Code Exam" issue? Does anyone care to engage Lennie in yet another
"debate" on the issue? He sure is sore because we've tired of it and
won't play his game any more, but his one track mind is still raring
to
go.

Betya I can sum up a lot of his "arguments" right now and save
some bandwidth:

(1) He "keyed up" some Army transmitters (not Amateur Radio) as
a
radio repairman in the 50's without the benefit of a Morse Code exam,
ergo no one should have to take any exam.

(2) He spent a lifelong career as a bench technician, ergo he
shouldn't have to take another written exam. Afterall, he spent 14
years in night school to get a 4 year BSEE degree, so that was ALL
the
work he should ever have to do again, ever!

(3) He has a GROL that he claims allows him to transmit
anywhere.
But he keeps omitting the part where his license also requires a
duly
authorized Station License or authorization for the "station" he is
"operating". That station license will dictate what discreet
frequency
he MUST use, what specific power limits he must observe, and in many
cases even specifies the antenna system to be used right down to
field
strengths and ERP.

(4) He knows a few licensed Amateurs, a couple of them Extras,
ergo he can say anything mean and despicable he cares to say about
Amateurs in general or Extras in particular. Even moreso if the
Extra
is a 20WPM era one. Double that if they are actually proficient in
Morse at or above 20WPM.

(5) He'll "argue" that since the physics of radio wave
propagation are the same for "commercial" radio as opposed to
"Amateur"
radio, that there is no difference in the two. He continually tries
to
compare one to the other. They're not the same. Any referal to the
Basis and Purpose of Part 97 will be dismissed as "administrative
language" that doesn't mean what it says.

(6) He'll "argue" that Amateur Radio is "just a hobby", despite
the fact that the enabling regulations for Amateur Radio say nothing
of
the sort. Any suggestion of volunteerism, civic duty, emergency
service or other educational or philanthropic use of Amateur Radio
will
be dismissed as "patriotic buffoonery".

(7) He'll "argue" that Amateurs, especially the aforementioned
Amateur Extras, are mired in 1930's era policy and practices despite
the fact that every one of the regular posters of this NG has made
comments to the FCC promoting significant changes to Amateur
regulations, including Morse examinations and relevency. And after
berating Amateurs for thier alleged stonewalling, he'll treat us all
to
yet another "...there I was at ADA in Japan in 1953..." war story
that
has absolutely no relevence to Amateur Radio policy in 2005, let
alone
anything to do with Morse Code at ANY time!

So...my opinion on what's most likely to transpire having been
stated, let's get on with a spirited debate on the Morse Code Exam
issue!

Remember...Morse Code Exam issues ONLY! Lennie Says So!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Heck Steve, there's no debate...the Morse code exam doesn't exclude
anybody.

73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

Hey Crackhead,

Can we just get the FCC to drop the code. I for one am sick and tired
of your morse code crap....

Lloyd Davies,
TimeLORD

Lloyd A Davies wrote:
Hey Crackhead,

Can we just get the FCC to drop the code. I for one am sick and
tired
of your morse code crap....

How about we just get rid of you?

25% of USENET waste would cease and we'd probably get an award from
the EPA for cleaning up the enviroment.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Oh get a grip on real life, you extra class know it alls cant have
your utopia for ever now...

Hello, Steve

To be entirely fair, I think we should put both newcomers and old timers on
an equal footing. Even the no Morse folks.

So, here is my proposal:

For the next year, everything stays the same. After that, it will be a 13
word per minute exam in *American* land-line Morse. This is not
international Morse, so everyone has to learn it from scratch (well, almost
everyone LOL). An option would be to take it at 5 words per minute, but
with variable length dashes and spacing .... it might prove interesting.

This would not only make everyone equal, it would be more difficult to write
a computer program that could copy it reliably ... especially hand sent.

For the extra, the person would have to demonstrate proficiency by QLF
(sending with the left foot).

Len, your thoughts?


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello One and All,

Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a
bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam
Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every
last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong,
here's a thread, JUST for him.

So...Does anyone have anything NEW to discuss about the "Morse
Code Exam" issue? Does anyone care to engage Lennie in yet another
"debate" on the issue? He sure is sore because we've tired of it and
won't play his game any more, but his one track mind is still raring to
go.

Betya I can sum up a lot of his "arguments" right now and save
some bandwidth:

(1) He "keyed up" some Army transmitters (not Amateur Radio) as a
radio repairman in the 50's without the benefit of a Morse Code exam,
ergo no one should have to take any exam.

(2) He spent a lifelong career as a bench technician, ergo he
shouldn't have to take another written exam. Afterall, he spent 14
years in night school to get a 4 year BSEE degree, so that was ALL the
work he should ever have to do again, ever!

(3) He has a GROL that he claims allows him to transmit anywhere.
But he keeps omitting the part where his license also requires a duly
authorized Station License or authorization for the "station" he is
"operating". That station license will dictate what discreet frequency
he MUST use, what specific power limits he must observe, and in many
cases even specifies the antenna system to be used right down to field
strengths and ERP.

(4) He knows a few licensed Amateurs, a couple of them Extras,
ergo he can say anything mean and despicable he cares to say about
Amateurs in general or Extras in particular. Even moreso if the Extra
is a 20WPM era one. Double that if they are actually proficient in
Morse at or above 20WPM.

(5) He'll "argue" that since the physics of radio wave
propagation are the same for "commercial" radio as opposed to "Amateur"
radio, that there is no difference in the two. He continually tries to
compare one to the other. They're not the same. Any referal to the
Basis and Purpose of Part 97 will be dismissed as "administrative
language" that doesn't mean what it says.

(6) He'll "argue" that Amateur Radio is "just a hobby", despite
the fact that the enabling regulations for Amateur Radio say nothing of
the sort. Any suggestion of volunteerism, civic duty, emergency
service or other educational or philanthropic use of Amateur Radio will
be dismissed as "patriotic buffoonery".

(7) He'll "argue" that Amateurs, especially the aforementioned
Amateur Extras, are mired in 1930's era policy and practices despite
the fact that every one of the regular posters of this NG has made
comments to the FCC promoting significant changes to Amateur
regulations, including Morse examinations and relevency. And after
berating Amateurs for thier alleged stonewalling, he'll treat us all to
yet another "...there I was at ADA in Japan in 1953..." war story that
has absolutely no relevence to Amateur Radio policy in 2005, let alone
anything to do with Morse Code at ANY time!

So...my opinion on what's most likely to transpire having been
stated, let's get on with a spirited debate on the Morse Code Exam
issue!

Remember...Morse Code Exam issues ONLY! Lennie Says So!

73

Steve, K4YZ

From: "JAMES HAMPTON" - Sun, 27 Feb
2005 23:23:59 -0500

To be entirely fair, I think we should put both newcomers and old
timers on
an equal footing. Even the no Morse folks.


Len, your thoughts?

Sorry, I can't post any...a big badass PCTA extra will only harrass
me with attempted inimidation. :-)

This is a CLOSED newsgroup. Only PCTA extras will be allowed
in here. I've been told that. All others have "no business"
in here.

Best regards,