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Hello One and All,
Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong, here's a thread, JUST for him. So...Does anyone have anything NEW to discuss about the "Morse Code Exam" issue? Does anyone care to engage Lennie in yet another "debate" on the issue? He sure is sore because we've tired of it and won't play his game any more, but his one track mind is still raring to go. Betya I can sum up a lot of his "arguments" right now and save some bandwidth: (1) He "keyed up" some Army transmitters (not Amateur Radio) as a radio repairman in the 50's without the benefit of a Morse Code exam, ergo no one should have to take any exam. (2) He spent a lifelong career as a bench technician, ergo he shouldn't have to take another written exam. Afterall, he spent 14 years in night school to get a 4 year BSEE degree, so that was ALL the work he should ever have to do again, ever! (3) He has a GROL that he claims allows him to transmit anywhere. But he keeps omitting the part where his license also requires a duly authorized Station License or authorization for the "station" he is "operating". That station license will dictate what discreet frequency he MUST use, what specific power limits he must observe, and in many cases even specifies the antenna system to be used right down to field strengths and ERP. (4) He knows a few licensed Amateurs, a couple of them Extras, ergo he can say anything mean and despicable he cares to say about Amateurs in general or Extras in particular. Even moreso if the Extra is a 20WPM era one. Double that if they are actually proficient in Morse at or above 20WPM. (5) He'll "argue" that since the physics of radio wave propagation are the same for "commercial" radio as opposed to "Amateur" radio, that there is no difference in the two. He continually tries to compare one to the other. They're not the same. Any referal to the Basis and Purpose of Part 97 will be dismissed as "administrative language" that doesn't mean what it says. (6) He'll "argue" that Amateur Radio is "just a hobby", despite the fact that the enabling regulations for Amateur Radio say nothing of the sort. Any suggestion of volunteerism, civic duty, emergency service or other educational or philanthropic use of Amateur Radio will be dismissed as "patriotic buffoonery". (7) He'll "argue" that Amateurs, especially the aforementioned Amateur Extras, are mired in 1930's era policy and practices despite the fact that every one of the regular posters of this NG has made comments to the FCC promoting significant changes to Amateur regulations, including Morse examinations and relevency. And after berating Amateurs for thier alleged stonewalling, he'll treat us all to yet another "...there I was at ADA in Japan in 1953..." war story that has absolutely no relevence to Amateur Radio policy in 2005, let alone anything to do with Morse Code at ANY time! So...my opinion on what's most likely to transpire having been stated, let's get on with a spirited debate on the Morse Code Exam issue! Remember...Morse Code Exam issues ONLY! Lennie Says So! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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On 26 Feb 2005 03:06:41 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
Hello One and All, Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong, here's a thread, JUST for him. Only new to me, perhaps, but here goes.... Drop the code requirement for all US amateur exams. Not for the good of amateur radio, but to end this 25 year old argument! Buck -- For what it's worth. |
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![]() "Buck" wrote in message news ![]() On 26 Feb 2005 03:06:41 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: Hello One and All, Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong, here's a thread, JUST for him. Only new to me, perhaps, but here goes.... Drop the code requirement for all US amateur exams. Not for the good of amateur radio, but to end this 25 year old argument! Buck -- For what it's worth. Actually your reason is better than most. However I don't believe in appeasement so I can't agree with it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:07:03 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote: "Buck" wrote in message news ![]() On 26 Feb 2005 03:06:41 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: Hello One and All, Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong, here's a thread, JUST for him. Only new to me, perhaps, but here goes.... Drop the code requirement for all US amateur exams. Not for the good of amateur radio, but to end this 25 year old argument! Buck -- For what it's worth. Actually your reason is better than most. However I don't believe in appeasement so I can't agree with it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE LOL, I understand. But generally, this kills the argument someone has who is trying to lure me into a discussion I am tired of. Around here, we have two locals each that takes the opposite extreme, One is not to do away with ANY cw and the other is do away with all. They are constantly trying to lure someone into the argument either to get sympathy or to state their point. Personally, I would vote to at least keep it on Extra. I wouldn't mind keeping it on General and introduce a new beginner level that authorizes limited no-code use that is still useful and fun for the licensee. Buck -- For what it's worth. |
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![]() K4YZ wrote: Hello One and All, Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong, here's a thread, JUST for him. So...Does anyone have anything NEW to discuss about the "Morse Code Exam" issue? Does anyone care to engage Lennie in yet another "debate" on the issue? He sure is sore because we've tired of it and won't play his game any more, but his one track mind is still raring to go. Betya I can sum up a lot of his "arguments" right now and save some bandwidth: (1) He "keyed up" some Army transmitters (not Amateur Radio) as a radio repairman in the 50's without the benefit of a Morse Code exam, ergo no one should have to take any exam. (2) He spent a lifelong career as a bench technician, ergo he shouldn't have to take another written exam. Afterall, he spent 14 years in night school to get a 4 year BSEE degree, so that was ALL the work he should ever have to do again, ever! (3) He has a GROL that he claims allows him to transmit anywhere. But he keeps omitting the part where his license also requires a duly authorized Station License or authorization for the "station" he is "operating". That station license will dictate what discreet frequency he MUST use, what specific power limits he must observe, and in many cases even specifies the antenna system to be used right down to field strengths and ERP. (4) He knows a few licensed Amateurs, a couple of them Extras, ergo he can say anything mean and despicable he cares to say about Amateurs in general or Extras in particular. Even moreso if the Extra is a 20WPM era one. Double that if they are actually proficient in Morse at or above 20WPM. (5) He'll "argue" that since the physics of radio wave propagation are the same for "commercial" radio as opposed to "Amateur" radio, that there is no difference in the two. He continually tries to compare one to the other. They're not the same. Any referal to the Basis and Purpose of Part 97 will be dismissed as "administrative language" that doesn't mean what it says. (6) He'll "argue" that Amateur Radio is "just a hobby", despite the fact that the enabling regulations for Amateur Radio say nothing of the sort. Any suggestion of volunteerism, civic duty, emergency service or other educational or philanthropic use of Amateur Radio will be dismissed as "patriotic buffoonery". (7) He'll "argue" that Amateurs, especially the aforementioned Amateur Extras, are mired in 1930's era policy and practices despite the fact that every one of the regular posters of this NG has made comments to the FCC promoting significant changes to Amateur regulations, including Morse examinations and relevency. And after berating Amateurs for thier alleged stonewalling, he'll treat us all to yet another "...there I was at ADA in Japan in 1953..." war story that has absolutely no relevence to Amateur Radio policy in 2005, let alone anything to do with Morse Code at ANY time! So...my opinion on what's most likely to transpire having been stated, let's get on with a spirited debate on the Morse Code Exam issue! Remember...Morse Code Exam issues ONLY! Lennie Says So! 73 Steve, K4YZ Heck Steve, there's no debate...the Morse code exam doesn't exclude anybody. 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384 QRP ARCI #11782 |
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Hey Crackhead,
Can we just get the FCC to drop the code. I for one am sick and tired of your morse code crap.... Lloyd Davies, TimeLORD |
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![]() Lloyd A Davies wrote: Hey Crackhead, Can we just get the FCC to drop the code. I for one am sick and tired of your morse code crap.... How about we just get rid of you? 25% of USENET waste would cease and we'd probably get an award from the EPA for cleaning up the enviroment. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
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Oh get a grip on real life, you extra class know it alls cant have
your utopia for ever now... |
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Hello, Steve
To be entirely fair, I think we should put both newcomers and old timers on an equal footing. Even the no Morse folks. So, here is my proposal: For the next year, everything stays the same. After that, it will be a 13 word per minute exam in *American* land-line Morse. This is not international Morse, so everyone has to learn it from scratch (well, almost everyone LOL). An option would be to take it at 5 words per minute, but with variable length dashes and spacing .... it might prove interesting. This would not only make everyone equal, it would be more difficult to write a computer program that could copy it reliably ... especially hand sent. For the extra, the person would have to demonstrate proficiency by QLF (sending with the left foot). Len, your thoughts? Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Hello One and All, Our Resident Antagonist (Lennie "I Am Not A Liar" Anderson) is a bit miffed becasue there's no thread to discuss the "Morse Code Exam Issue". Personally, I think the subject has been beaten until every last bit of life has been beaten from it, but just to prove him wrong, here's a thread, JUST for him. So...Does anyone have anything NEW to discuss about the "Morse Code Exam" issue? Does anyone care to engage Lennie in yet another "debate" on the issue? He sure is sore because we've tired of it and won't play his game any more, but his one track mind is still raring to go. Betya I can sum up a lot of his "arguments" right now and save some bandwidth: (1) He "keyed up" some Army transmitters (not Amateur Radio) as a radio repairman in the 50's without the benefit of a Morse Code exam, ergo no one should have to take any exam. (2) He spent a lifelong career as a bench technician, ergo he shouldn't have to take another written exam. Afterall, he spent 14 years in night school to get a 4 year BSEE degree, so that was ALL the work he should ever have to do again, ever! (3) He has a GROL that he claims allows him to transmit anywhere. But he keeps omitting the part where his license also requires a duly authorized Station License or authorization for the "station" he is "operating". That station license will dictate what discreet frequency he MUST use, what specific power limits he must observe, and in many cases even specifies the antenna system to be used right down to field strengths and ERP. (4) He knows a few licensed Amateurs, a couple of them Extras, ergo he can say anything mean and despicable he cares to say about Amateurs in general or Extras in particular. Even moreso if the Extra is a 20WPM era one. Double that if they are actually proficient in Morse at or above 20WPM. (5) He'll "argue" that since the physics of radio wave propagation are the same for "commercial" radio as opposed to "Amateur" radio, that there is no difference in the two. He continually tries to compare one to the other. They're not the same. Any referal to the Basis and Purpose of Part 97 will be dismissed as "administrative language" that doesn't mean what it says. (6) He'll "argue" that Amateur Radio is "just a hobby", despite the fact that the enabling regulations for Amateur Radio say nothing of the sort. Any suggestion of volunteerism, civic duty, emergency service or other educational or philanthropic use of Amateur Radio will be dismissed as "patriotic buffoonery". (7) He'll "argue" that Amateurs, especially the aforementioned Amateur Extras, are mired in 1930's era policy and practices despite the fact that every one of the regular posters of this NG has made comments to the FCC promoting significant changes to Amateur regulations, including Morse examinations and relevency. And after berating Amateurs for thier alleged stonewalling, he'll treat us all to yet another "...there I was at ADA in Japan in 1953..." war story that has absolutely no relevence to Amateur Radio policy in 2005, let alone anything to do with Morse Code at ANY time! So...my opinion on what's most likely to transpire having been stated, let's get on with a spirited debate on the Morse Code Exam issue! Remember...Morse Code Exam issues ONLY! Lennie Says So! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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From: "JAMES HAMPTON" - Sun, 27 Feb
2005 23:23:59 -0500 To be entirely fair, I think we should put both newcomers and old timers on an equal footing. Even the no Morse folks. Len, your thoughts? Sorry, I can't post any...a big badass PCTA extra will only harrass me with attempted inimidation. :-) This is a CLOSED newsgroup. Only PCTA extras will be allowed in here. I've been told that. All others have "no business" in here. Best regards, |
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