Ashley VK3HAG wrote:

(With Some Snippage to Pertinent Replies

N9OGL,

Copyright doesn't apply to "educational, discussions, ng posts etc"
(It
applies only to websites, magazines, music, broadcasts etc) so
therefore
IMHO any court in any democratic society would rule anything on a
newsgroup,
to be public domain.

Toiddie doesn't care what courts or governmental agencies do.
They're all "against him without any reason" anyway...! ! !

Whilst I sought permission from ARNewsline to re-transmit ARNewsLine
on UHF
CB in Melbourne out of courtesy, Mr Pasternack said he appreciated
the
courtesy, yet I could have started re-transmitting it without his
permission...(SNIP)

Bill's a fine fellow.

He read an item I wrote on line and asked to re-print it in
"Worldradio". I told him yes, of course. About 2 months later I got a
check from him for the use! I sent it back. It was free in the first
place...Nothing had changed, but I sure appreciated the offer.

Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur
to
amateur.

You miss the point, Ashley...This is ONLY about Toiddie being able
to express his own opinions as forcibly and frequently as he can. It's
got NOTHING to do with the business of operating a station or promoting
the arts.

And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel
control
community television?

What we call "community television" or "public access" is so local
promoters, presenters, etc can "get on the air" without having to spend
all the cash to build thier own station.

The local cable company has the studios, the cameras, processing
gear, etc, and it can be rented to the "user" ready-to-go.

You should also note, that NOT swearing is more effective THAN
swearing.
Example: you start your show tonight and include lot's of 'hells'
'dams'
'****' etc, and people watch. Ten years down the track same thing.
But, if
you didn't swear for ten years at all, then one day came on air and
said
"This is bull****" it would be 200% more effective.

Toiddie doesn't have anything to say unless he connects it with
profanity.

I, too will be starting an on-air news bulletin, two in fact. One on
the
local community station, about amateur radio and a brief amateur
bulletin
for amateurs only who can call in to the studio (when I'm there) via
amateur
radio and go 'on air' with thier thoughts to help promote AR (instead
of
using the phone). This won't happen until I have co-ordinated a
frequency to
use with the local amateur club. Perhaps, N9OGL I could send/show you
the
correct way to format/run a newscast of any description.

P L E A S E send him the help anyway, Ashley! L O T S of it,
too!

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any) audience
with
these traits.

We've tried to tell him...

The sad part is he's about to "graduate" from a "local" community
"college", yet his grammar and vocabulary, well..suck! I used to
(blindly) think that American education was above and beyond just about
anything else out there...To my chagrin Toiddie proved me wrong.

73

Steve, K4YZ

If N9OGL is only expressing his opinions, without actually offering a true
'bulletin service' (ie amateur news for all hams about ham activities, then
I'm sure the FCC would rule -as would & have our ACA-then they would deem
his broadcasts not be 'bulletins' but interference to others)

Whilst an amateur bulletin can contain opinions about articles, it must also
include amateur news information, though most good amateur news bulletins
steer clear of 'opinions' and leave the 'opinions' section to those on
frequency after the broadcast, and any decent broadcaster would simply
listen in, not comment at all, in order to glean info about his audiences
opinion and what they have come or would expect from said bulletin.

Ever heard Bill Pasternack state what his opinion was on something on his
bulletin, I haven't. He simply reports amateur radio facts he has found, but
I'm bet If i met him person to person (unlikely given I'm an Aussie) he
would, but not on his bulletin...he let's hams form their own opinions about
what he has provided, the hallmark of good journalism...and I must say, the
amateur bulletins of even the ARRL's bulletins, to some extent, contain a
much higher standard of true journalism (reporting facts as recorded, not
individual opinions..leaving opinions to be formed and debated by us the
amateur on the air.. on here etc)

Same with AR Newsline, W?ITF reports info he has found and tells you about
it. He doesn't come on and say "The IRLP Contest..which I think sucks gets
under way this week" but rather "The IRLP Contest gets under way this week"
and leaves you to decide whether the IRLP contest is a good or bad idea etc.

And here, down under, our WIA's news always closes with "This is VK4BB
saying, until next week...Walk softly...we report it..you decide"

What is N9OGL trying to do...create his own FOX News (ie give only the
'party'-his-line, rather than both sides of story..of which there always is)

Hence the reason, I quit working for Rupert...he sucks. (and I could go to
another paper, but he owns them all here..apart from some rural ones..but
he's swallowing them up too...so what Australia gets, via radio, tv and
print is mostly Rupert's opinion

I've spent this arvo putting together a 'cut & paste' (as well as my own
work) of a 1/2 hour bulletin just for you N9OGL.

PS. Transmitting for 5 hours for amateur is ridiculous, what you want N9OGL
is a nice, tight and structured approx. 1/2 hour bulletin every week based
on a format of some sort.

Eg.

11am: Open with "I'm Skippy, W9OGL and your tuned to [frequency] on your
[mode] dial and this is "Amateur News Today"
1101: Quickly list all items on today's bulletin. "Coming up today we look
at the IRLP Contest, Changes to VK amateur regulations,"
1102: Re-introduce (the 'enforcement') repeat 11am, and add at the end "With
USA Amateur News"
1105: USA Amateur News
1115: International Amateur News
1130: Contests and other items of interest to hams
1135: Close

And lastly, ever notice N9OGL, how even when, say FOX journalists are
offering thier opinions it is very cleverly purported as 'news', not
opinion, otherwise, if people thought it was simply an opinion of one, they
wouldn't listen, whereas, if it comes across as news, more people tend to
believe that opinion as factual news.

Or perhaps, N9OGL, you are just the 'journalist' that FOX is looking for

The definition of amateur broadcasting is "bulletins" not "opinions".
Opinions are formed in debate with others outside the newscast, not within
it, unless stated that it is an "Opinion" piece, hence the reason we have
'columinsts', so people are made aware it's thier opinion, not the news as
such.

Yes, I too have made mistakes in the past and even flamed people I shouldn't
have and acted in an inappropriate way on aus.xxx newsgroups. But I had the
balls to accept my errors, apologised-in person-to the people I had treated
unfairly and moved on.......(now we all get on fine on aus.xx newsgroups)

As Murphy said "Don't argue with fools..people mightn't know the difference"
(a lesson I too had to learn)

And for those interested in how Community Television "Public Access" works
down under..here is the link....

So instead of carrying on about the FCC N9OGL, perhaps you have been
fighting the wrong battle. Why not try and have a College set-up and control
a "Public Access" channel, that's easy, just cut & paste the Aussie model
and fight for that. 1. You'd have more chance of getting somewhere and 2.
You would be doing something that really does benifit the community.

I'll relay my first bulletin to N9OGL's home town (any hams who can help
with a HF or IRLP link?) and show N9OGL how a news bulletin is put together?

My qualifications for speaking on this matter a

As for my experience in this field, I started out in Year 10 (16yo) doing
Work Experience for the local rag (DV News), and when I got there on Monday
was sent to make coffee, and was told that's what I'd be doing for the
fortnight (no suprises here). But by mid-afternoon, the journalist I was
assigned to was that impressed, she spoke to the boss, got me a HWT Style
Book (mentioned last post) and I was taken off the coffee and sent into the
field, at 16, on Work Experience to report. My first interview was with a
state Premier, something some 50yo journos are yet to do.

I never went back to school full-time, and the report on my Work Experience
that was sent to my school says, and I quote "Best Work Experience student
this company has ever had, has a great future in journalism." (My standards
of spelling and grammar etc were better than some of the journos they were
emplyiong at the time..who didn't like me much at all, but saw me as the
'smart arse 16yo bloke who knows everything' (In reality, I know nothing, as
do us all..or we don't take in new ideas, concepts, etc)

No, I am not a Uni qualified journalist, but in the world of journalism,
those that do it my way are much more respected for having 'done the yards'
so to speak and I can pick a uni-journo written article from a x-cadets one
easy as..can you?

PS. I don't use OE's spell-checker, I like to read and correct my own
mistakes, so please point out any bad grammar or spelling, as I always
should be able to self-edit, without the need for a spell-checker. Also
notice that I refrain from profanity (when I'd love to use a few choice
words) unless it has some contextual meaning to my writing, otherwise it's
effect on the reader is lost.

Cheers & Beers from VK, "Hoo Roo"

VK3HAG

Goto go QSO to do

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ashley VK3HAG wrote:

(With Some Snippage to Pertinent Replies

N9OGL,

Copyright doesn't apply to "educational, discussions, ng posts etc"
(It
applies only to websites, magazines, music, broadcasts etc) so
therefore
IMHO any court in any democratic society would rule anything on a
newsgroup,
to be public domain.

Toiddie doesn't care what courts or governmental agencies do.
They're all "against him without any reason" anyway...! ! !

Whilst I sought permission from ARNewsline to re-transmit ARNewsLine
on UHF
CB in Melbourne out of courtesy, Mr Pasternack said he appreciated
the
courtesy, yet I could have started re-transmitting it without his
permission...(SNIP)

Bill's a fine fellow.

He read an item I wrote on line and asked to re-print it in
"Worldradio". I told him yes, of course. About 2 months later I got a
check from him for the use! I sent it back. It was free in the first
place...Nothing had changed, but I sure appreciated the offer.

Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur
to
amateur.

You miss the point, Ashley...This is ONLY about Toiddie being able
to express his own opinions as forcibly and frequently as he can. It's
got NOTHING to do with the business of operating a station or promoting
the arts.

And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel
control
community television?

What we call "community television" or "public access" is so local
promoters, presenters, etc can "get on the air" without having to spend
all the cash to build thier own station.

Thankfully ours is controlled and owned by uni students Stduent Union (your
college?) who really couldn't give a hoot what's on there.
(Pole dancing, sex, whatever, and even though broadcasting rules are
breached every minute on Ch 31, because no one complains-no one is
watching-it continues daily)


The local cable company has the studios, the cameras, processing
gear, etc, and it can be rented to the "user" ready-to-go.

You should also note, that NOT swearing is more effective THAN
swearing.
Example: you start your show tonight and include lot's of 'hells'
'dams'
'****' etc, and people watch. Ten years down the track same thing.
But, if
you didn't swear for ten years at all, then one day came on air and
said
"This is bull****" it would be 200% more effective.

Toiddie doesn't have anything to say unless he connects it with
profanity.

I, too will be starting an on-air news bulletin, two in fact. One on
the
local community station, about amateur radio and a brief amateur
bulletin
for amateurs only who can call in to the studio (when I'm there) via
amateur
radio and go 'on air' with thier thoughts to help promote AR (instead
of
using the phone). This won't happen until I have co-ordinated a
frequency to
use with the local amateur club. Perhaps, N9OGL I could send/show you
the
correct way to format/run a newscast of any description.

P L E A S E send him the help anyway, Ashley! L O T S of it,
too!

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any) audience
with
these traits.

We've tried to tell him...

The sad part is he's about to "graduate" from a "local" community
"college", yet his grammar and vocabulary, well..suck! I used to
(blindly) think that American education was above and beyond just about
anything else out there...To my chagrin Toiddie proved me wrong.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Ooops, here is the link to Melbourne's Ch 31 Uni TV (most VK capital cities
have Ch 31)

http://www.channel31.org.au/

"Ashley VK3HAG" wrote in message
...
If N9OGL is only expressing his opinions, without actually offering a true
'bulletin service' (ie amateur news for all hams about ham activities,
then
I'm sure the FCC would rule -as would & have our ACA-then they would deem
his broadcasts not be 'bulletins' but interference to others)

Whilst an amateur bulletin can contain opinions about articles, it must
also
include amateur news information, though most good amateur news bulletins
steer clear of 'opinions' and leave the 'opinions' section to those on
frequency after the broadcast, and any decent broadcaster would simply
listen in, not comment at all, in order to glean info about his audiences
opinion and what they have come or would expect from said bulletin.

Ever heard Bill Pasternack state what his opinion was on something on his
bulletin, I haven't. He simply reports amateur radio facts he has found,
but
I'm bet If i met him person to person (unlikely given I'm an Aussie) he
would, but not on his bulletin...he let's hams form their own opinions
about
what he has provided, the hallmark of good journalism...and I must say,
the
amateur bulletins of even the ARRL's bulletins, to some extent, contain a
much higher standard of true journalism (reporting facts as recorded, not
individual opinions..leaving opinions to be formed and debated by us the
amateur on the air.. on here etc)

Same with AR Newsline, W?ITF reports info he has found and tells you about
it. He doesn't come on and say "The IRLP Contest..which I think sucks gets
under way this week" but rather "The IRLP Contest gets under way this
week"
and leaves you to decide whether the IRLP contest is a good or bad idea
etc.

And here, down under, our WIA's news always closes with "This is VK4BB
saying, until next week...Walk softly...we report it..you decide"

What is N9OGL trying to do...create his own FOX News (ie give only the
'party'-his-line, rather than both sides of story..of which there always
is)

Hence the reason, I quit working for Rupert...he sucks. (and I could go to
another paper, but he owns them all here..apart from some rural ones..but
he's swallowing them up too...so what Australia gets, via radio, tv and
print is mostly Rupert's opinion

I've spent this arvo putting together a 'cut & paste' (as well as my own
work) of a 1/2 hour bulletin just for you N9OGL.

PS. Transmitting for 5 hours for amateur is ridiculous, what you want
N9OGL
is a nice, tight and structured approx. 1/2 hour bulletin every week based
on a format of some sort.

Eg.

11am: Open with "I'm Skippy, W9OGL and your tuned to [frequency] on your
[mode] dial and this is "Amateur News Today"
1101: Quickly list all items on today's bulletin. "Coming up today we look
at the IRLP Contest, Changes to VK amateur regulations,"
1102: Re-introduce (the 'enforcement') repeat 11am, and add at the end
"With
USA Amateur News"
1105: USA Amateur News
1115: International Amateur News
1130: Contests and other items of interest to hams
1135: Close

And lastly, ever notice N9OGL, how even when, say FOX journalists are
offering thier opinions it is very cleverly purported as 'news', not
opinion, otherwise, if people thought it was simply an opinion of one,
they
wouldn't listen, whereas, if it comes across as news, more people tend to
believe that opinion as factual news.

Or perhaps, N9OGL, you are just the 'journalist' that FOX is looking for


The definition of amateur broadcasting is "bulletins" not "opinions".
Opinions are formed in debate with others outside the newscast, not within
it, unless stated that it is an "Opinion" piece, hence the reason we have
'columinsts', so people are made aware it's thier opinion, not the news as
such.

Yes, I too have made mistakes in the past and even flamed people I
shouldn't
have and acted in an inappropriate way on aus.xxx newsgroups. But I had
the
balls to accept my errors, apologised-in person-to the people I had
treated
unfairly and moved on.......(now we all get on fine on aus.xx newsgroups)

As Murphy said "Don't argue with fools..people mightn't know the
difference"
(a lesson I too had to learn)

And for those interested in how Community Television "Public Access" works
down under..here is the link....

So instead of carrying on about the FCC N9OGL, perhaps you have been
fighting the wrong battle. Why not try and have a College set-up and
control
a "Public Access" channel, that's easy, just cut & paste the Aussie model
and fight for that. 1. You'd have more chance of getting somewhere and 2.
You would be doing something that really does benifit the community.

I'll relay my first bulletin to N9OGL's home town (any hams who can help
with a HF or IRLP link?) and show N9OGL how a news bulletin is put
together?

My qualifications for speaking on this matter a

As for my experience in this field, I started out in Year 10 (16yo) doing
Work Experience for the local rag (DV News), and when I got there on
Monday
was sent to make coffee, and was told that's what I'd be doing for the
fortnight (no suprises here). But by mid-afternoon, the journalist I was
assigned to was that impressed, she spoke to the boss, got me a HWT Style
Book (mentioned last post) and I was taken off the coffee and sent into
the
field, at 16, on Work Experience to report. My first interview was with a
state Premier, something some 50yo journos are yet to do.

I never went back to school full-time, and the report on my Work
Experience
that was sent to my school says, and I quote "Best Work Experience student
this company has ever had, has a great future in journalism." (My
standards
of spelling and grammar etc were better than some of the journos they were
emplyiong at the time..who didn't like me much at all, but saw me as the
'smart arse 16yo bloke who knows everything' (In reality, I know nothing,
as
do us all..or we don't take in new ideas, concepts, etc)

No, I am not a Uni qualified journalist, but in the world of journalism,
those that do it my way are much more respected for having 'done the
yards'
so to speak and I can pick a uni-journo written article from a x-cadets
one
easy as..can you?

PS. I don't use OE's spell-checker, I like to read and correct my own
mistakes, so please point out any bad grammar or spelling, as I always
should be able to self-edit, without the need for a spell-checker. Also
notice that I refrain from profanity (when I'd love to use a few choice
words) unless it has some contextual meaning to my writing, otherwise it's
effect on the reader is lost.

Cheers & Beers from VK, "Hoo Roo"

VK3HAG

Goto go QSO to do

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ashley VK3HAG wrote:

(With Some Snippage to Pertinent Replies

N9OGL,

Copyright doesn't apply to "educational, discussions, ng posts etc"
(It
applies only to websites, magazines, music, broadcasts etc) so
therefore
IMHO any court in any democratic society would rule anything on a
newsgroup,
to be public domain.

Toiddie doesn't care what courts or governmental agencies do.
They're all "against him without any reason" anyway...! ! !

Whilst I sought permission from ARNewsline to re-transmit ARNewsLine
on UHF
CB in Melbourne out of courtesy, Mr Pasternack said he appreciated
the
courtesy, yet I could have started re-transmitting it without his
permission...(SNIP)

Bill's a fine fellow.

He read an item I wrote on line and asked to re-print it in
"Worldradio". I told him yes, of course. About 2 months later I got a
check from him for the use! I sent it back. It was free in the first
place...Nothing had changed, but I sure appreciated the offer.

Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur
to
amateur.

You miss the point, Ashley...This is ONLY about Toiddie being able
to express his own opinions as forcibly and frequently as he can. It's
got NOTHING to do with the business of operating a station or promoting
the arts.

And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel
control
community television?

What we call "community television" or "public access" is so local
promoters, presenters, etc can "get on the air" without having to spend
all the cash to build thier own station.

Thankfully ours is controlled and owned by uni students Stduent Union
(your
college?) who really couldn't give a hoot what's on there.
(Pole dancing, sex, whatever, and even though broadcasting rules are
breached every minute on Ch 31, because no one complains-no one is
watching-it continues daily)


The local cable company has the studios, the cameras, processing
gear, etc, and it can be rented to the "user" ready-to-go.

You should also note, that NOT swearing is more effective THAN
swearing.
Example: you start your show tonight and include lot's of 'hells'
'dams'
'****' etc, and people watch. Ten years down the track same thing.
But, if
you didn't swear for ten years at all, then one day came on air and
said
"This is bull****" it would be 200% more effective.

Toiddie doesn't have anything to say unless he connects it with
profanity.

I, too will be starting an on-air news bulletin, two in fact. One on
the
local community station, about amateur radio and a brief amateur
bulletin
for amateurs only who can call in to the studio (when I'm there) via
amateur
radio and go 'on air' with thier thoughts to help promote AR (instead
of
using the phone). This won't happen until I have co-ordinated a
frequency to
use with the local amateur club. Perhaps, N9OGL I could send/show you
the
correct way to format/run a newscast of any description.

P L E A S E send him the help anyway, Ashley! L O T S of it,
too!

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any) audience
with
these traits.

We've tried to tell him...

The sad part is he's about to "graduate" from a "local" community
"college", yet his grammar and vocabulary, well..suck! I used to
(blindly) think that American education was above and beyond just about
anything else out there...To my chagrin Toiddie proved me wrong.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Ashley VK3HAG wrote:
N9OGL,
Helo Ashley,


Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur
to
amateur.


Our community has one FM broadcast station and no television station.
The local station will not allow you go in and run a show on their
station. My group in the 90's tried starting a low power tv station for
the purpose of allowing people in the community to use it. unlike
someone (K4YZ) who thinks it's all about me.
We also have a "Public Access" channel unfortunately the cable
company has complete control over it. (something they are not allowed
to do) My group has tried repeatively to get programs on the public
access channel (including programs from the University of Illinois and
the University of Chicago) but the cable company refuses to allow us
access to the channel. We complain to the city and the cable comes back
say Oh we will give you access but lets wait for a few months and we
will call you. when the few months are up the proccess starts all over
again.



And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel
control
community television? In Melbourne UHF Ch 31 is community tv, and is
run by
Melbourne's Uni's as an independent organisation.


Public Access channels are created through the franchise agreement.
Cable companies are not allowed to have any editorial control over the
channel. However, there are some cable companies and in some places
local governments who censor and "control" the access channel.



2) Why does the ARRL handbook list cable channels on your free-to-air
tv
bandplan. Yes, we have cable tv, but our system is ABC 2 (VK's BBC),
HSV 7,
GTV 9, ATV 10, SBS 28 & UNI 31 on the normal tv (just plug an antenna
into
the set and tune) plus cable via Coax (Fox only downunder). If I
wanted to
do a show on Channel 31, I could, what's broadcast is up to Uni's
Student
Union, not a tv company.

Perhaps by 'time travel' N9OGL is referring to the fact that when USA
hams
QSOs with hams Down Under or in New Zealand you are speaking to us
tommorow
and we are speaking to you yesterday


Technical your right there I remember getting off work at 5.00 pm
and getting on the radio and talk to a guy in Japan who was on his way
to work, it was 7.00 am the next day there. The "time travel" I was
talking about will be posted on my invention blog along with
explainations of some of my other idea's these so-called hams bad
mouth.




PS N9OGL: To run even a 10% successful television, print or radio
show/program/station/publication you must first learn that there is a
certain 'way' of operating broadcast to amateur, the 'hype' factor I
call
it, but for this to be effective requires a well-spoken, educated,
grammatically correct (or incorrect on purpose for desired effects,
not just
because you can't spell) (just watch your nightly news or listen to
the
radio, not the content, but how that content is presented) (Almost
all media
outlets use a book called a "Style Book" which maintains content and
how
that content is presented for all media formats in that organisation)

Also, you'll need to get much better at punctuation, as punctuation
is
expression. If you are one of those guys who at school read mono-tone
then
you haven't a hope. Remember the kid that reads with expression
(usually
resulting in getting teased and laughed at hi hi) usually go on to be
radio
announcers, journalists, etc. And punctuation, grammar, spelling and
expression go hand in hand.

Example: (From "To Kill A Mocking Bird" by Harper Lee).

With Expression: "Jem heard me. HE THRUST HIS HEAD AROUND THE
CONNECTING
DOOR. As he came to my bed Atticus's light flashed on. We stayed
where we
were until it went off; we heard him turn over and we waited until he
was
still again"

Without: "Jem heard me. He thrust his head around the connecting
door. As he
came to my bed Atticus's light flashed on. We stayed where we were
until it
went off; we heard him turn over and we waited until he was still
again"

Also, I read in the posts about you 'getting upset' at the editing of
the
context of your program. Rather than call it 'censorship', and
complain, do
what any journalist worth his/her salt would do, re-word your show to
still
have the same impact and meaning without the profanity.

You should also note, that NOT swearing is more effective THAN
swearing.
Example: you start your show tonight and include lot's of 'hells'
'dams'
'****' etc, and people watch. Ten years down the track same thing.
But, if
you didn't swear for ten years at all, then one day came on air and
said
"This is bull****" it would be 200% more effective.

Who out there knows someone who never swears? How shocked are you
when
"That's ####ed" come out of thier mouth, as opposed to someone who
uses it
as every second word. The former has such an impact as most people
will
interpret that as "He's really annoyed," "Whatever they did must have
been
pretty bad for him to use the f word. Whereas in the latter, it's
just
"There goes that gutter mouthed lout again"

Having worked, albiet briefly, for the Herald & Weekly Times
(Rupert's first
company, and the one that started News Ltd & Fox) every employee is
given a
book which contains information on how certain articles and other
issues are
to be dealt with by the journalist. Example alright-those that allow
this
word into our media will be made to write "all right" 1000 times.
(p.16, HWT
Style Book, 8th Ed, 9/1990)

Listen to AR newsline, an example of 'the format'
"I'm Bill Pasternack W?ITF for Amateur Radio News Line"


This is a post from the future.........(Sent from VK 1438hrs AEST,
Thursday
31 March 2005) (UTC: 0338hrs, Thursday 31 March 2005)
Looking forward to my next QSO with the past

Ashley Geelan
VK3HAG

Australian Radio Amateur & Stand-In Volunteer Radio Announcer @
Plenty
Valley FM 88.6FM Melbourne, Australia.

I, too will be starting an on-air news bulletin, two in fact. One on
the
local community station, about amateur radio and a brief amateur
bulletin
for amateurs only who can call in to the studio (when I'm there) via
amateur
radio and go 'on air' with thier thoughts to help promote AR (instead
of
using the phone). This won't happen until I have co-ordinated a
frequency to
use with the local amateur club. Perhaps, N9OGL I could send/show you
the
correct way to format/run a newscast of any description.

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any) audience
with
these traits.

I'm usually on echolink, my repeater is also tied into it. The echolink
on the repeater is off by my personal station is up.

Todd N9OGL



"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:04:29 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

More of our r.r.a.p. Tom Swift, gleaned from the archives:

from alt.sci.time-travel

Todd Daugherty
Jun 26 2003, 7:24 pm

I've have this Idea for a "simple" Time Machine. A operator would
set up
a computer up to a high power wireless system. They would then set
the
computer to transmit a message say in 30 years and hope that in
thirty
years someone would reply back. comments?

Its unlikely that your setup would still be functional 30 years
from now.

Todd Daugherty N9OGL
Amateur Radio Operator

(and)

Todd Daugherty
Jun 26 2003, 10:44 pm

The Answer to your first question is yes. A computer hooked to a
TNC
(which is a wireless modem) is set up with a timing system. Most
"Packet" software for wireless communication has a timer system in
it.
It's part of the software. Why wait so long for the signal to
transmit?
because you want to be able to send the signal to a time period
where
high speed communication systems are in general uses.

The systems in use then may not be compatible.

Scientist are now
just experimenting with high speed communication devices. For a
person
to send a signal back in time they would have to uses a high speed
communication devices. Just remember it is a lot easier to sent a
particle or a signal through time then it is human or an object.

Its impossible to send anything through time.

On your
second comment about time travel via the human brain. I believe
not only
"time-travel" is possible via the human brain but I also believe
while a
person is a sleep the electro-magnetic emissions of say your brain
is
connected to the multi-you in every parallel universe. The only
time
your able to view those other universes is while your Brainwaves
are at
the lowest point of the spectrum (around 1 to 14 hz) This also
might
explain
NDE.

No technology can overcome the fact that there is nowhere to travel
to.

Todd N9OGL

(and)

snipped

Barry

N9OGL wrote:
Ashley VK3HAG wrote:
N9OGL,
Helo Ashley,
Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV
station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations
as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur
to
amateur.


Our community has one FM broadcast station and no television station.
The local station will not allow you go in and run a show on their
station. My group in the 90's tried starting a low power tv station
for
the purpose of allowing people in the community to use it. unlike
someone (K4YZ) who thinks it's all about me.

Sure it is "all about (you)", Todd.

We also have a "Public Access" channel unfortunately the cable
company has complete control over it. (something they are not allowed
to do).

Sure they can. They own the cable, the studios, the equipment,
etc.

What makes you think they can't exercise control over thier own
assets, Todd?

My group has tried repeatively to get programs on the public
access channel (including programs from the University of Illinois
and
the University of Chicago) but the cable company refuses to allow us
access to the channel. We complain to the city and the cable comes
back
say Oh we will give you access but lets wait for a few months and we
will call you. when the few months are up the proccess starts all
over
again.

You're profane, demanding, poorly organized, functionally
illiterate and rude.

What part of those personal traits do you think the cable company
finds endearing?

And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel
control
community television? In Melbourne UHF Ch 31 is community tv, and
is
run by
Melbourne's Uni's as an independent organisation.


Public Access channels are created through the franchise agreement.
Cable companies are not allowed to have any editorial control over
the
channel. However, there are some cable companies and in some places
local governments who censor and "control" the access channel.

The FCC has stated that communities have the right to determine the
nature of content of what airs on thier communities systems.

Obviously someone in Taylorville is unimpressed with your ability
to meet community standards, Todd.

Judging by the way you represent yourself in this forum, I'd say
they are spot-on.

2) Why does the ARRL handbook list cable channels on your
free-to-air
tv
bandplan. Yes, we have cable tv, but our system is ABC 2 (VK's
BBC),
HSV 7,
GTV 9, ATV 10, SBS 28 & UNI 31 on the normal tv (just plug an
antenna
into
the set and tune) plus cable via Coax (Fox only downunder). If I
wanted to
do a show on Channel 31, I could, what's broadcast is up to Uni's
Student
Union, not a tv company.

Perhaps by 'time travel' N9OGL is referring to the fact that when
USA
hams
QSOs with hams Down Under or in New Zealand you are speaking to us
tommorow
and we are speaking to you yesterday


Technical your right there I remember getting off work at 5.00 pm
and getting on the radio and talk to a guy in Japan who was on his
way
to work, it was 7.00 am the next day there. The "time travel" I was
talking about will be posted on my invention blog along with
explainations of some of my other idea's these so-called hams bad
mouth.

It's not badmouthing, Todd.

You suggested using a storage capacitor cooled by liquid oxygen.
That was stupid on so many levels as to be hillarious.

And in the realm of communications, you "propose" a
networking/datalink system that is several developmental generations
BEHIND current technology.

They are not "inventions"...They are really bad ideas. I just hope
I am at least 500 miles away from your power capacitor project if you
ever try to buid it.

Big Snip:

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any)
audience
with
these traits.

I'm usually on echolink, my repeater is also tied into it. The
echolink
on the repeater is off by my personal station is up.

Yes, Todd...you still have yet to tell us about all those
homebrew/kitbuilt features of N9OGL...remember..?!?! You were
"badmouthing" all those "appliance operators"...??? You have yet to
give us an accounting of your station or repeater lineup.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
N9OGL wrote:
Ashley VK3HAG wrote:
N9OGL,
Helo Ashley,
Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV
station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not
volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television
stations
as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save
the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and
amateur
to
amateur.


Our community has one FM broadcast station and no television
station.
The local station will not allow you go in and run a show on their
station. My group in the 90's tried starting a low power tv station
for
the purpose of allowing people in the community to use it. unlike
someone (K4YZ) who thinks it's all about me.

Sure it is "all about (you)", Todd.

Steve, no, your very wrong, very wrong.

We also have a "Public Access" channel unfortunately the cable
company has complete control over it. (something they are not
allowed
to do).

Sure they can. They own the cable, the studios, the equipment,
etc.

What makes you think they can't exercise control over thier own
assets, Todd?

The only "power" the cable company has over the content is setting what
time the program may air and the availability of the channel. As for
studio and equipmet, the only equipment that have is a VCR hooked into
the cable line. They don't have any "Studio" and as for cable, the
local goverment created public access in turn the cable company was
given the "right of way" The problem here is NO ONE is allowed to use
the "public access" channel. But if you want to more about what
controls cable comapnies have over "public access" go talk to Media
Alliance @ http://www.media-alliance.org/

My group has tried repeatively to get programs on the public
access channel (including programs from the University of Illinois
and
the University of Chicago) but the cable company refuses to allow
us
access to the channel. We complain to the city and the cable comes
back
say Oh we will give you access but lets wait for a few months and
we
will call you. when the few months are up the proccess starts all
over
again.

You're profane, demanding, poorly organized, functionally
illiterate and rude.

What part of those personal traits do you think the cable company
finds endearing?


Well steve, again your wrong, I'm a hell of lot nicer to them then to
some dumbas ham operators who bad mouth people on a "Usenet"


And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable
channel
control
community television? In Melbourne UHF Ch 31 is community tv, and
is
run by
Melbourne's Uni's as an independent organisation.


Public Access channels are created through the franchise agreement.
Cable companies are not allowed to have any editorial control over
the
channel. However, there are some cable companies and in some places
local governments who censor and "control" the access channel.

The FCC has stated that communities have the right to determine
the
nature of content of what airs on thier communities systems.

The FCC has no juridiction over public access channels, that is let up
to the community who, in term is to have available to the public what
the rules and regulations of the public access channel is; which this
group doesn't.


Obviously someone in Taylorville is unimpressed with your
ability
to meet community standards, Todd.

First of dickead, I happen to be a very very very old friend of the
mayor of this community, before him it was my uncle who ran this town.
(my family is very political) Secondly the cable company has been in
trouble with the mayors office because of this matter. Recently my
group filed a complaint on behave of a small church who didn't want to
start trouble. The complaint was the church wanted to use the public
access channel for their services but the cable comapny told them they
were switching the public access channel over to Beta format. For the
small church to now use the channel they would have to spend out
$14,000 on equipment, money they didn't have. So when I had a meeting
with the mayor it came to our attention that not only where the
church's complaining but the schools were too. to make a long story
short the city told the cable comapny if they did switch to beta that
the city would cancel their franchise agreement....so the cable didn't
switch formats.


Judging by the way you represent yourself in this forum, I'd say
they are spot-on.

2) Why does the ARRL handbook list cable channels on your
free-to-air
tv
bandplan. Yes, we have cable tv, but our system is ABC 2 (VK's
BBC),
HSV 7,
GTV 9, ATV 10, SBS 28 & UNI 31 on the normal tv (just plug an
antenna
into
the set and tune) plus cable via Coax (Fox only downunder). If I
wanted to
do a show on Channel 31, I could, what's broadcast is up to Uni's
Student
Union, not a tv company.

Perhaps by 'time travel' N9OGL is referring to the fact that when
USA
hams
QSOs with hams Down Under or in New Zealand you are speaking to
us
tommorow
and we are speaking to you yesterday


Technical your right there I remember getting off work at 5.00
pm
and getting on the radio and talk to a guy in Japan who was on his
way
to work, it was 7.00 am the next day there. The "time travel" I
was
talking about will be posted on my invention blog along with
explainations of some of my other idea's these so-called hams bad
mouth.

It's not badmouthing, Todd.

You suggested using a storage capacitor cooled by liquid oxygen.
That was stupid on so many levels as to be hillarious.

What's wrong with that, liquid Oxygen can be used as a coolent as well
as rocket fuel. The coolent is no where near a spark and the coolent
circulates through pipes around the displacement chamber, between two
sets of walls. (not the capacitor as you keep claiming)


And in the realm of communications, you "propose" a
networking/datalink system that is several developmental generations
BEHIND current technology.

REALLY dickhead, what amateur stations are running what i'm
purposing.......NONE!!!! steve, I think your stupid, or lying, but I do
think you don't get all the facts

They are not "inventions"...They are really bad ideas. I just
hope
I am at least 500 miles away from your power capacitor project if you
ever try to buid it.

I would point out steve, that what's on that website is NOT the
complete system, and I will not post the compete system on here or on
that website. So there really is more to then what I'm ALLOWED to say.


Big Snip:

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me
to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a
broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any)
audience
with
these traits.

I'm usually on echolink, my repeater is also tied into it. The
echolink
on the repeater is off by my personal station is up.

Yes, Todd...you still have yet to tell us about all those
homebrew/kitbuilt features of N9OGL...remember..?!?! You were
"badmouthing" all those "appliance operators"...??? You have yet to
give us an accounting of your station or repeater lineup.


frankly steve, the way you've treated not only me or anyone else one
here. I'm not under any obligation to tell YOU or anyone else what
equipment I have, the bottom line is, I DO build things, a lot more
then what you think.



Todd N9OGL
Steve, K4YZ

N9OGL wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
N9OGL wrote:

Sure it is "all about (you)", Todd.

Steve, no, your very wrong, very wrong.

No, I'm not.

What makes you think they can't exercise control over thier
own
assets, Todd?

The only "power" the cable company has over the content is setting
what
time the program may air and the availability of the channel. As for
studio and equipmet, the only equipment that have is a VCR hooked
into
the cable line. They don't have any "Studio" and as for cable, the
local goverment created public access in turn the cable company was
given the "right of way" The problem here is NO ONE is allowed to use
the "public access" channel. But if you want to more about what
controls cable comapnies have over "public access" go talk to Media
Alliance @ http://www.media-alliance.org/

You didn't answer my question.

Does the cable company NOT have control over thie own assets?

Yes or no wil suffice nicenly, thank-you.

You're profane, demanding, poorly organized, functionally
illiterate and rude.

What part of those personal traits do you think the cable
company
finds endearing?


Well steve, again your wrong, I'm a hell of lot nicer to them then to
some dumbas ham operators who bad mouth people on a "Usenet"

I find that very, VERY hard to believe.

The FCC has stated that communities have the right to determine
the
nature of content of what airs on thier communities systems.

The FCC has no juridiction over public access channels, that is let
up
to the community who, in term is to have available to the public what
the rules and regulations of the public access channel is; which this
group doesn't.

I didn't say the FCC had jurisdiction, Todd. Please stay focused.

I said that the COMMUNITIES have the right to determine the nature
of the content in thier communities.

Obviously someone in Taylorville is unimpressed with your
ability
to meet community standards, Todd.

First of ####ead...(SNIP)

Gee...You're right, Todd. Threre's one of those "dum### hams
badmouthing people on USENET" right now!

And PROOF of what I've been saying all along.

I happen to be a very very very old friend of the
mayor of this community, before him it was my uncle who ran this
town.
(my family is very political)

Obviously not political enough.

Secondly the cable company has been in
trouble with the mayors office because of this matter. Recently my
group filed a complaint on behave of a small church who didn't want
to
start trouble.

On "behalf", Todd.

And I am sure if they knew what a swell guy you REALLY are, they
wouldn't have bothered.

The complaint was the church wanted to use the public
access channel for their services but the cable comapny told them
they
were switching the public access channel over to Beta format. For the
small church to now use the channel they would have to spend out
$14,000 on equipment, money they didn't have. So when I had a meeting
with the mayor it came to our attention that not only where the
church's complaining but the schools were too. to make a long story
short the city told the cable comapny if they did switch to beta that
the city would cancel their franchise agreement....so the cable
didn't
switch formats.

And this pertains to your operation of illegal "broadcast stations"
how?


It's not badmouthing, Todd.

You suggested using a storage capacitor cooled by liquid
oxygen.
That was stupid on so many levels as to be hillarious.

What's wrong with that, liquid Oxygen can be used as a coolent as
well
as rocket fuel. The coolent is no where near a spark and the coolent
circulates through pipes around the displacement chamber, between two
sets of walls. (not the capacitor as you keep claiming)

Doesn't matter, Todd...LOX is not used as a refrigerant because
it's an O X I D I Z E R. It makes things burn, in some cases very
rapidly (please see any film clip of a Saturn 5 rocket ascending).

And if you plan on using LOX A N Y W H E R E near an electrical
source, you are introducing an I G N I T I O N source.

Now, going back to ELEMENTARY SCHOOL scinence, guess what happens
when you mix an oxidizer, an ignition source, and any FUEL...???

And in the realm of communications, you "propose" a
networking/datalink system that is several developmental
generations
BEHIND current technology.

REALLY ####head...(SNIP)

There's that " dum### ham badmouthing people on USENET" again....

...(UNSNIP)...what amateur stations are running what i'm
purposing.......NONE!!!! steve, I think your stupid, or lying, but I
do
think you don't get all the facts

Oh, I have all the "facts", OK, Todd.

I didn't say ANYthing about "amateur stations"...

I said your protocol is several developmental generations behind
current technology. That's NOT untrue.

They are not "inventions"...They are really bad ideas. I just
hope
I am at least 500 miles away from your power capacitor project if
you
ever try to buid it.

I would point out steve, that what's on that website is NOT the
complete system, and I will not post the compete system on here or on
that website. So there really is more to then what I'm ALLOWED to
say.

You're not "allowed" to say...?!?!

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
! ! ! !

Yes, Todd...you still have yet to tell us about all those
homebrew/kitbuilt features of N9OGL...remember..?!?! You were
"badmouthing" all those "appliance operators"...??? You have yet
to
give us an accounting of your station or repeater lineup.


frankly steve, the way you've treated not only me or anyone else one
here. I'm not under any obligation to tell YOU or anyone else what
equipment I have, the bottom line is, I DO build things, a lot more
then what you think.

Frankly, Todd, this is EXACTLY the answer I expected.

The "bottom line" is you can't build a kit unless the instructions
are written in crayon and it has those little cartoon pictures of
people doing things so you can follow along.

You've had over a week to pony up all your non-"appliance" station
line-up, Todd, and it's taken you THIS long to figure a way to weasel
your way out of the corner you've backed yourself into.

Nice try. It didn't work.

Steve, K4YZ

You didn't answer my question.

Does the cable company NOT have control over thie own assets?
Yes or no wil suffice nicenly, thank-you.

The ONLY POWER A CABLE COMAPNY HAS OVER THE CONTENT IS THE AVABILITY OF
THE CHANNEL( I.E. SET UP THE TIME THE PROGRAM IS TO AIR) AND THAT'S
IT!!!

I didn't say the FCC had jurisdiction, Todd. Please stay focused.

I said that the COMMUNITIES have the right to determine the nature
of the content in thier communities

But it isn't the community that's the problem, it's a cable company
that doesn't want ANYONE from using the public access channel.

Gee...You're right, Todd. Threre's one of those "dum### hams
badmouthing people on USENET" right now!

And PROOF of what I've been saying all along.

Well steve if you weren't such an asshole, perhaps I would treat you a
little nicer.

And I am sure if they knew what a swell guy you REALLY are, they
wouldn't have bothered.

I'm a hell a lot nicer then you think, again if your weren't an asshole
I would be a little nicer.

And this pertains to your operation of illegal "broadcast stations"
how?

It don't, I was pointing out that the cable company has been in trouble
with the city for repeative violation peoples free speech on the public
access channel.

Doesn't matter, Todd...LOX is not used as a refrigerant because
it's an O X I D I Z E R. It makes things burn, in some cases very
rapidly (please see any film clip of a Saturn 5 rocket ascending).


And if you plan on using LOX A N Y W H E R E near an electrical
source, you are introducing an I G N I T I O N source.

Now, going back to ELEMENTARY SCHOOL scinence, guess what happens
when you mix an oxidizer, an ignition source, and any FUEL...???

ok, then I'll use liquid Nitrogen then.

I said your protocol is several developmental generations behind
current technology. That's NOT untrue.

The whole idea is to make an alternative system on the amateur bands
but Nazi's like you try to stop new modes of communications on the
amateur band.

Todd N9OGL

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...


[snip]

K4YZ wrote:
Obviously someone in Taylorville is unimpressed with your
ability
to meet community standards, Todd.

First of dickead, I happen to be a very very very old friend of the
mayor of this community, before him it was my uncle who ran this town.
(my family is very political) Secondly the cable company has been in
trouble with the mayors office because of this matter. Recently my
group filed a complaint on behave of a small church who didn't want to
start trouble. The complaint was the church wanted to use the public
access channel for their services but the cable comapny told them they
were switching the public access channel over to Beta format. For the
small church to now use the channel they would have to spend out
$14,000 on equipment, money they didn't have. So when I had a meeting
with the mayor it came to our attention that not only where the
church's complaining but the schools were too. to make a long story
short the city told the cable comapny if they did switch to beta that
the city would cancel their franchise agreement....so the cable didn't
switch formats.


If you are going to make up a story, at least get the technology straight.
Beta has been dead for a very long time (in technology terms). No one would
be switching to Beta.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...


[snip]

K4YZ wrote:
Obviously someone in Taylorville is unimpressed with your
ability
to meet community standards, Todd.

First of dickead, I happen to be a very very very old friend of the
mayor of this community, before him it was my uncle who ran this
town.
(my family is very political) Secondly the cable company has been
in
trouble with the mayors office because of this matter. Recently my
group filed a complaint on behave of a small church who didn't want
to
start trouble. The complaint was the church wanted to use the
public
access channel for their services but the cable comapny told them
they
were switching the public access channel over to Beta format. For
the
small church to now use the channel they would have to spend out
$14,000 on equipment, money they didn't have. So when I had a
meeting
with the mayor it came to our attention that not only where the
church's complaining but the schools were too. to make a long story
short the city told the cable comapny if they did switch to beta
that
the city would cancel their franchise agreement....so the cable
didn't
switch formats.


If you are going to make up a story, at least get the technology
straight.
Beta has been dead for a very long time (in technology terms). No
one would
be switching to Beta.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
NOT true, a digital BETA is out there and is used by a few public
access as well as some commerial broadcasters. The cost of digital beta
equipment is $14,000 to $16,000

Todd N9OGL