What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
Is it being accepted by certain other hams?
Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?
Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real ham?
Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham?
Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?
Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?
I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?
I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!

"KC8GXW" wrote

I would really like to know the answers to this!

The FCC says this:

§97.3 Definitions.

(a) (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur
operator/primary station grant on the ULS consolidated
licensee database

If your name is on an unexpired license grant, you're a real ham.

Next question?

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:

"KC8GXW" wrote


I would really like to know the answers to this!


The FCC says this:

§97.3 Definitions.

(a) (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur
operator/primary station grant on the ULS consolidated
licensee database

If your name is on an unexpired license grant, you're a real ham.

Next question?

73, de Hans, K0HB



Thanks Hans, I knew that part. I was wondering what people here think a
real ham is. In the past 10 years I've heard so much belittling about
lower class licenses, I was just curious what others thought was on this
subject? I understand that there is no real answer and most of it is
just an opinion.
Some people here wouldn't consider anybody a real ham unless they could
quote all the FCC rules and regs. by heart!

"KC8GXW" wrote

Thanks Hans, I knew that part. I was wondering what people here think a real
ham is. In the past 10 years I've heard so much belittling about lower class
licenses, I was just curious what others thought was on this subject? I
understand that there is no real answer and most of it is just an opinion.

I think that there IS a real answer. If you have any class of drivers
license you're a "real" licensed driver. The same holds true for hams.

The opinion of those who "belittle" others who haven't attained some arbitrary
class of license or demonstrated an ability to beep at some arbitrary speed is,
in my opinion, really nothing more than a mask for their own insecurity.

The "hands-down-best-ham-I-ever-knew" is Gene Schwarz, W0VDI. Gene was an
original 1953 Technician, and the last beep he ever copied was at his 5WPM
examination session 52 years ago. A great Elmer, club "sparkplug"/volunteer,
tinkerer-cum-laude (several RF-related patents in his name --- never went to
engineering school), expert public service traffic handler, and
all-around-good-guy. Sadly, Gene is now SK (victim of the "Big C"). Based on
the class of his license, he'd not be "real" in some opinions around here, so
you can guess how much weight I think "opinion" carries.

I hold little regard for, and give no credence to the opinion of any ham who
judges other hams based on the class of their license.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
A "Real Ham" is proficient in all forms and modes of communications. One of
the primary purposes of Amateur Radio is to provide a pool of qualified
radio operators in the event of emergency. Thus being able to use Morse
Code at anything but training wheel speed is a big plus.


Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

No, not entirely. But being able to assimilate with minimum friction is a
big help. In otherwords don't show up with a "I know it all attitude" and
have a bit of respect for those that have been there before you.

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

That does have a bearing on things. Don't come on with the above attitute
holding a Technician ticket for 6 months, and expect to be treating with
respect. Respect is earned me boy.

Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?

No, not really. Must I elaborate on the obvious?

If one does that wonderous dead and then EARNS the respect of those other
hams. A lot of what I said above is bypassed. Respect, Earned those are
the key words here.

Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham?

Don't know the man.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

Sure...see above.

Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?

A WD8? a joke right? Try W or K ...one by two or three, non vanity of
course. Thats an old timer.

As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered calls".
And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you permanetly
moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one
they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.


I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?

No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then you
would be a Technician. Hi hi.


I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!


Hope that helps a bit.

Dan/W4NTI

What makes a person a real ham?

KOHB says
The FCC says this:
=A797.3 Definitions.
(a) (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur
operator/primary station grant on the ULS consolidated
licensee database
If your name is on an unexpired license grant, you're a real ham.

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham"
in the definition.

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.
"Hams" are a subset of the group of Amateur operators. Not all amateur
operators are "hams".

What makes a person a Ham? There are too many characteristics to list.

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

They are often older, and male. They like to use the terminology. They
like to discuss ham politics.

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham.

Is it being accepted by certain other hams?
Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics.
Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham.

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

Sorry, I do not know or understand the question. As for the class of
licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the
Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as
long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course,
is that they will eventually learn Morse code.

Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?
Yes, of course.

Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real
ham?
I don't know.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

The license is a "give away" - no disputing that.

I answered this question above. You are still a ham if you believe, and
will eventually learn Morse code.

Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?

I don't know.

I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?

I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!

How did you know about the vanity license?

wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed!

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.

What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?!

"Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie
Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from.

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

(Here we go again....)

Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made
this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never
explained yourself.

They are often older, and male.

So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee
dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?!

They like to use the terminology.

Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to
effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon
language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul.

Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other
human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul.

They like to discuss ham politics.

As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?!

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Of course not.

Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?

Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham.

Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law
is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660?

Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics.

Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do
dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So
do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers.

What was YOUR point?

Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham.

Sure you can.

Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us...Does that mean we don't exist?

Once and for all, Vipul...

There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief
system" that dictates what makes a "good ham".

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

Sorry, I do not know or understand the question.

Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight
forward to me.

As for the class of
licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the
Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as
long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course,
is that they will eventually learn Morse code.

You keep saying this but you never explain yourself.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

The license is a "give away" - no disputing that.

Sure there is.

To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone
is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to
operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam.

And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get
these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a
"giveaway"...

How did you know about the vanity license?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it?

Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so
bad...

Steve, K4YZ

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wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

GROAN.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"K4YZ" wrote in message
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wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

GROAN.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hello, Dee

I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ...


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

Hello Vipul.

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed!

He see's that you haven't either.

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.

What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?!

"Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie
Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from.

People don't have belief systems?

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

(Here we go again....)

(There YOU go again...)

Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made
this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never
explained yourself.

Yet I see no mention of a "rule." Whatever are you talking about,
Steve?

They are often older, and male.

So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee
dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?!

Shall you?

They like to use the terminology.

Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to
effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon
language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul.

QSL.

Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other
human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul.

So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you
agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul???

They like to discuss ham politics.

As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?!

Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without
explanation.

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Of course not.

Of course.

Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?

Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham.

Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law
is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660?

I disagree with Vipul on this one. Five WPM wasn't enough to be
accepted as a full ham by many practioners of the ancient art.

Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics.

Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do
dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So
do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers.

What belief system do you share?

What was YOUR point?

What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?"

Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham.

Sure you can.

I agree with Steve on this one. You just have to ignore the
knuckle-heads that would put you down for not attaining ever higher
Morse Code speeds.

Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us...

Not true.

Does that mean we don't exist?

You exist in a negative way.

Once and for all, Vipul...

There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief
system" that dictates what makes a "good ham".

Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly.

Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and
condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as
yourself...

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

Sorry, I do not know or understand the question.

Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight
forward to me.

Bruce has his Extra. Seems like most of the trouble-makers are Extras.

As for the class of
licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the
Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as
long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course,
is that they will eventually learn Morse code.

You keep saying this but you never explain yourself.

The have to profess the faith, and frequently claim that they are
"studying the Morse Code."

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

The license is a "give away" - no disputing that.

Sure there is.

Todays entry level license exam contains far more breadth and depth of
radio communications knowledge than any entry level license in the
history of amateur radio.

To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone
is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to
operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam.

Captain Obvious.

And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get
these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a
"giveaway"...

Far more difficult...

How did you know about the vanity license?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it?

K4CAP...?

Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so
bad...

Steve, K4YZ

Terminology like, "Lessee....430?"