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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Oddly enough, much of the advancement in ham rigs has come about because of contesting. For example, one of the first uses of computers in ham radio was their use in logkeeping. I think one of the university stations gets credit for that, using the U's mainframe to dupe and print out their SS logs circa 1968. The improvements in receiver sections to have better dynamic range, phase noise, and filtering is, IMHO, largely driven by the contest/DX folks. And primarily the big guns, who would plunk down big bucks for a top-of-the-line rig if it gave them an advantage. Then, of course, the technology that first appeared in the top-of-the-line rigs worked its way into less expensive ones. So we all benefit. (makes me wonder if Hans has his IC-7800 yet...) 73 de Jim, N2EY Stop picking on Hans, Who's picking on Hans? If there's anybody who can get the most out of an IC-7800, and deserves to be using one, it's K0HB. I'm just wondering if he's got one yet. I hear his...well at least his call, real regular in the contests. g I've worked you and he in SS many, many times. Thanks for the points and AL, btw. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Oddly enough, much of the advancement in ham rigs has come about because of contesting. For example, one of the first uses of computers in ham radio was their use in logkeeping. I think one of the university stations gets credit for that, using the U's mainframe to dupe and print out their SS logs circa 1968. The improvements in receiver sections to have better dynamic range, phase noise, and filtering is, IMHO, largely driven by the contest/DX folks. And primarily the big guns, who would plunk down big bucks for a top-of-the-line rig if it gave them an advantage. Then, of course, the technology that first appeared in the top-of-the-line rigs worked its way into less expensive ones. So we all benefit. (makes me wonder if Hans has his IC-7800 yet...) 73 de Jim, N2EY Stop picking on Hans, Who's picking on Hans? If there's anybody who can get the most out of an IC-7800, and deserves to be using one, it's K0HB. I'm just wondering if he's got one yet. I hear his...well at least his call, real regular in the contests. g I've worked you and he in SS many, many times. Thanks for the points and AL, btw. 73 de Jim, N2EY My pleasure....same back to you. Dan/W4NTI |
Dee Flint wrote:
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... [snip] Why do I contest? To improve my score by improving my station and myself. Its as simple as that. Have a good day PS; I worked a bunch of sporadic skip yesterday on six meters in the June VHF contest.....with 8 watts and a 3 ele yagi at 20'. It's all a matter of perspective. Dan/W4NTI I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Oh, they're still trapped on VHF, Dee. Most of 'em are so trapped that they know only one mode--FM and do all of their operating via repeaters. Dave K8MN |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... Dee Flint wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... [snip] Why do I contest? To improve my score by improving my station and myself. Its as simple as that. Have a good day PS; I worked a bunch of sporadic skip yesterday on six meters in the June VHF contest.....with 8 watts and a 3 ele yagi at 20'. It's all a matter of perspective. Dan/W4NTI I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Oh, they're still trapped on VHF, Dee. Most of 'em are so trapped that they know only one mode--FM and do all of their operating via repeaters. Dave K8MN Hello, Dave Yep, I'm only on 10 and 440. On 10 meters, I use SSB (one FM contact) as the thing has no provision for CW. On 440 I stay on FM. One guy was really talking up the need for CW so I did, with the repeater owner's permission, change to MCW. 40 words per. No problem. :) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Dave Heil wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... [snip] Why do I contest? To improve my score by improving my station and myself. Its as simple as that. Have a good day PS; I worked a bunch of sporadic skip yesterday on six meters in the June VHF contest.....with 8 watts and a 3 ele yagi at 20'. It's all a matter of perspective. Dan/W4NTI I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Oh, they're still trapped on VHF, Dee. Most of 'em are so trapped that they know only one mode--FM and do all of their operating via repeaters. Dave K8MN What a wunnerful attitude you have toward Techs, Oh Mighty DXer. And people have to ask who chased away the Techs. I guess the only time you would embrace a Tech is if he were calling you out of band on 6M. Hi! |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hey Dee, Good question actually. Perhaps they are part of the vast majority of hams that are inactive. More likely they are all "stuck" on FM and have not a clue what else is going on with V/Uhf. What a shame. Dan/W4NTI Ah, yes. The Shameful, Clueless Techs. With attitudes like yours, it's no wonder they don't hang around. |
Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, I'm going to guess (i.e., don't ask me for facts, figures, substantive studies, reports from the FCC/ARRL, etc) that of the Techs that have stayed in amateur radio, most have done so for the emergency communications aspect of the service. As such, they would typically stay on FM. The ones who could learn Morse Code and have had to time to do so have moved up. Those who didn't have the time or couldn't learn it have moved on. It's nice to see Miss Manners finally noticing something amiss in the ARS. |
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Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical in nature way back in the early 60s. Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments? And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode. Dan/W4NTI If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW used most often? |
bb wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message thlink.net... [snip] Why do I contest? To improve my score by improving my station and myself. Its as simple as that. Have a good day PS; I worked a bunch of sporadic skip yesterday on six meters in the June VHF contest.....with 8 watts and a 3 ele yagi at 20'. It's all a matter of perspective. Dan/W4NTI I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Oh, they're still trapped on VHF, Dee. Most of 'em are so trapped that they know only one mode--FM and do all of their operating via repeaters. What a wunnerful attitude you have toward Techs, Oh Mighty DXer. And people have to ask who chased away the Techs. I guess the only time you would embrace a Tech is if he were calling you out of band on 6M. Hi! I don't embrace radio amateurs at all, "bb". A firm handshake is good enough for me. My attitude toward many of the current crop of new techs is one bathed upon five years observation, since returning to the U.S. I haven't chased them anywhere. In fact, it has been just the opposite. I've tried to encourage them to use simplex on FM. I've tried to encourage them to try 6 meters along with 432 and 144 MHz SSB and CW. I can't be faulted that they don't act after being encouraged. If these folks are, in fact "trapped" in a world of 2m only FM repeater operation, they have fashioned the trap themselves by not being more curious about the rest of VHF/UHF amateur radio. There are avenues open to them but they aren't participating. Dave K8MN |
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