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![]() "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... My attitude toward many of the current crop of new techs is one bathed upon five years observation, since returning to the U.S. I haven't chased them anywhere. In fact, it has been just the opposite. I've tried to encourage them to use simplex on FM. I've tried to encourage them to try 6 meters along with 432 and 144 MHz SSB and CW. I can't be faulted that they don't act after being encouraged. If these folks are, in fact "trapped" in a world of 2m only FM repeater operation, they have fashioned the trap themselves by not being more curious about the rest of VHF/UHF amateur radio. There are avenues open to them but they aren't participating. Dave K8MN Man does that say it all in a well articulated paragraph. Valid points out there in tech land. The Technician ticket originally was envisioned to enable those that had a technical slant that needed a place to play on the "air". It has degenerated into a defacto "entry level" to present day Ham Radio. What a bummer. I bet a lot of those out there don't know that the original Tech written was exactly the same as the General. The ONLY difference was the General had a 13 WPM cw test. Send and Receive. And the Tech had a 5wpm......and was available by mail. Dan/W4NTI |
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message rthlink.net... [snip] Why do I contest? To improve my score by improving my station and myself. Its as simple as that. Have a good day PS; I worked a bunch of sporadic skip yesterday on six meters in the June VHF contest.....with 8 watts and a 3 ele yagi at 20'. It's all a matter of perspective. Dan/W4NTI I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Oh, they're still trapped on VHF, Dee. Most of 'em are so trapped that they know only one mode--FM and do all of their operating via repeaters. What a wunnerful attitude you have toward Techs, Oh Mighty DXer. And people have to ask who chased away the Techs. I guess the only time you would embrace a Tech is if he were calling you out of band on 6M. Hi! I don't embrace radio amateurs at all, "bb". A firm handshake is good enough for me. My attitude toward many of the current crop of new techs is one bathed upon five years observation, since returning to the U.S. I haven't chased them anywhere. In fact, it has been just the opposite. I've tried to encourage them to use simplex on FM. I've tried to encourage them to try 6 meters along with 432 and 144 MHz SSB and CW. I can't be faulted that they don't act after being encouraged. If these folks are, in fact "trapped" in a world of 2m only FM repeater operation, they have fashioned the trap themselves by not being more curious about the rest of VHF/UHF amateur radio. There are avenues open to them but they aren't participating. Dave K8MN I agree with you Dave, Of course you do. I and the OM (who is our local club's VHF/UHF SSB guru) have worked hard at trying to get Techs involved with something other than repeater FM. Why? While we have had some modest success, it's only a small percentage of the Techs who have jumped into these waters. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Have you asked them why they are reluctant to jump into those waters? Since they've not jumped in, does that change your attitude about them? |
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, I'm going to guess (i.e., don't ask me for facts, figures, substantive studies, reports from the FCC/ARRL, etc) that of the Techs that have stayed in amateur radio, most have done so for the emergency communications aspect of the service. As such, they would typically stay on FM. The ones who could learn Morse Code and have had to time to do so have moved up. Those who didn't have the time or couldn't learn it have moved on. There are none who cannot learn the code. Really? Why do you say that? However there are those for whom other activities can and should have priority on their time. However that is no excuse for eliminating it as a test element since the same argument can be applied to the theory. You hold a very interesting point of view. You say that since everyone can learn the code, that it must be retained as a test element? I say that it should be removed as a test element because it no longer serves a regulatory purpose. |
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![]() "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hey Dee, Good question actually. Perhaps they are part of the vast majority of hams that are inactive. More likely they are all "stuck" on FM and have not a clue what else is going on with V/Uhf. What a shame. Dan/W4NTI Ah, yes. The Shameful, Clueless Techs. With attitudes like yours, it's no wonder they don't hang around. I don't recall anyone on here, other than you "bb", using the word Shameful or Clueless regarding the Technician licensees. All I see is folks stating they don't understand why the Techs don't take full advantage of their full license privileges. You sir, are nothing but a agitator and a disgrace to ham radio in general, assuming you have a license that is. Dan/W4NTI |
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![]() "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, I'm going to guess (i.e., don't ask me for facts, figures, substantive studies, reports from the FCC/ARRL, etc) that of the Techs that have stayed in amateur radio, most have done so for the emergency communications aspect of the service. As such, they would typically stay on FM. The ones who could learn Morse Code and have had to time to do so have moved up. Those who didn't have the time or couldn't learn it have moved on. It's nice to see Miss Manners finally noticing something amiss in the ARS. "bb" is just full of all sorts of assumptions, ain't he boys and girls? Using his logic then all us "higher" class operators need to get out of EMCOM, eh? I'll be sure to tell the Extra class Emergency Net Control operator next time I see her. Dan/W4NTI |
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![]() Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... My attitude toward many of the current crop of new techs is one bathed upon five years observation, since returning to the U.S. I haven't chased them anywhere. In fact, it has been just the opposite. I've tried to encourage them to use simplex on FM. I've tried to encourage them to try 6 meters along with 432 and 144 MHz SSB and CW. I can't be faulted that they don't act after being encouraged. If these folks are, in fact "trapped" in a world of 2m only FM repeater operation, they have fashioned the trap themselves by not being more curious about the rest of VHF/UHF amateur radio. There are avenues open to them but they aren't participating. Dave K8MN Man does that say it all in a well articulated paragraph. Valid points out there in tech land. Indeed it does. David has articulated, and Dan has agreed that a Tech really isn't worth much as an amateur if they don't do the things that Dave, Dan and Dee want them to be doing. I'm sure that your attitudes spill over into your communication with those unworthy Techs. The Technician ticket originally was envisioned to enable those that had a technical slant that needed a place to play on the "air". It has degenerated into a defacto "entry level" to present day Ham Radio. What a bummer. Degenerated? Dan, I'd like to introduce you to the FCC sometime. It was the FCC that turned the Technician license into your disdained entry level to present day "Ham Radio." I bet a lot of those out there don't know that the original Tech written was exactly the same as the General. The ONLY difference was the General had a 13 WPM cw test. Send and Receive. And the Tech had a 5wpm......and was available by mail. Dan/W4NTI Thanks for the insight into the "Mind of Dan." |
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![]() "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical in nature way back in the early 60s. Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments? And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode. Dan/W4NTI If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW used most often? No I have not commented on anything with the FCC other than BPL and sending in reports about K1MAN. I figured out a long time ago the FCC was basically a lap dog of the ARRL when it comes to dumbing down of the license structure. And my pitiful input wasn't going to have any affect at all. So "bb".....does that blow your mind, or what? Dan/W4NTI |
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![]() Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, I'm going to guess (i.e., don't ask me for facts, figures, substantive studies, reports from the FCC/ARRL, etc) that of the Techs that have stayed in amateur radio, most have done so for the emergency communications aspect of the service. As such, they would typically stay on FM. The ones who could learn Morse Code and have had to time to do so have moved up. Those who didn't have the time or couldn't learn it have moved on. It's nice to see Miss Manners finally noticing something amiss in the ARS. "bb" is just full of all sorts of assumptions, ain't he boys and girls? Using his logic then all us "higher" class operators need to get out of EMCOM, eh? I'll be sure to tell the Extra class Emergency Net Control operator next time I see her. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you're welcome to tell her anything you want. She's probably already aware that you usually get it wrong anyway. |
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![]() "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... bb wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message egroups.com... Dee Flint wrote: I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very strange thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators. On the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass the code (as some would have us believe)? It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical in nature way back in the early 60s. Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments? And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode. Dan/W4NTI If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW used most often? It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during the course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much better than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it. Dave K8MN Correct.....in fact I see CW activity INCREASING on VHF. At least 6 meters, which is all I have running, right now. Years ago it was nearly impossible to get a CW contact on VHF. In fact a lot of rigs, homebrew and/or commercial didn't even have a key jack in them. I like seeing CW on VHF. I do like everyone else does, if their trying to maximize QSO's, contest or otherwise. Both modes. Dan/W4NTI |
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