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In major contests like SS, CQWWDX, etc., should SO2R be a category seperate from
SO? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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K=D8HB wrote:
In major contests like SS, CQWWDX, etc., should SO2R be a category seperate from SO? Good question! I say yes, *if* the definition of SO2R is being able to operate on two bands almost simultaneously. Two or more frequencies in the same band is a different story. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() wrote I say yes, *if* the definition of SO2R is being able to operate on two bands almost simultaneously. Two or more frequencies in the same band is a different story. Most stations engineered for SO2R expect the radios to be on separate bands (self QRM'ing issues if on same band) but why would you consider it a "different story" if both were on the same band? As background, some consider SO2R an "unfair advantage" in the SO class, while purists claim that SO is SO, regardless of how many radios they can manage, so long as only a single transmitter is active at any given point in time (In other words, you can't CQ on your run frequency when working a Q on your mult radio.) 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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K=D8HB wrote:
wrote I say yes, *if* the definition of SO2R is being able to operate on two bands almost simultaneously. Two or more frequencies in the same band is a different story. Most stations engineered for SO2R expect the radios to be on separate bands (self QRM'ing issues if on same band) but why would you consider it a "different story" if both were on the same band? Suppose I have a rig with two VFOs. I'm hunt-and-pouncing QSOs on one frequency and listening to the pile on VY1JA on another frequency on the same band. I toss my call at VY1JA at appropriate moments. Is that SO2R or not? Certainly it's not the same thing as two completely separate rigs on different bands. But it's more than one rig that is on one frequency. The line has to be drawn somewhere. As background, some consider SO2R an "unfair advantage" in the SO class, while purists claim that SO is SO, regardless of how many radios they can man= age, so long as only a single transmitter is active at any given point in time = (In other words, you can't CQ on your run frequency when working a Q on your mult radio.) The difference (to me, anyway) is that multiband SO2R essentially takes two complete stations capable of simultaneous operation even if they're both not in transmit mode at the same moment. That's where the line is - for me. OTOH, it could be argued that as long as there is only one signal actually transmitted at any given time, and only one operator, there's only one "station", regardless of how much hardware is involved. --- Now for a topic in the opposite direction: How about an "Iron" category (as in "Iron Chef" or "Ironman", etc.). One rig at a time, only. No second VFO, receivers or memories. No computer logging. No memory keyers for voice or code. 150 W maximum power.=20 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() wrote Suppose I have a rig with two VFOs. I'm hunt-and-pouncing QSOs on one frequency and listening to the pile on VY1JA on another frequency on the same band. I toss my call at VY1JA at appropriate moments. Is that SO2R or not? No. At best it's SO1.5R. The line has to be drawn somewhere. The line has already be drawn --- SO. The purists maintain that whatever an SO can do to improve his ability to run up a score should be allowed. I'm inclined to agree. The difference (to me, anyway) is that multiband SO2R essentially takes two complete stations capable of simultaneous operation even if they're both not in transmit mode at the same moment. That's where the line is - for me. Would you draw additional lines at SO3R, SO4R, SO5R, etc? OTOH, it could be argued that as long as there is only one signal actually transmitted at any given time, and only one operator, there's only one "station", regardless of how much hardware is involved. Seems like a good argument to me! Now for a topic in the opposite direction: How about an "Iron" category (as in "Iron Chef" or "Ironman", etc.). One rig at a time, only. No second VFO, receivers or memories. No computer logging. No memory keyers for voice or code. 150 W maximum power. I wouldn't be in favor of such a category. To me, one of the attractions of radiosport is that it encourages pushing the limits (within good ethics) and thinking outside the box on several levels: innovative station design, battle strategy, skill development, and taking advantage of every available technology. Your "Iron" category seems like putting hobbles on Secretariat in the Preakness. Diana Moon Glompers, the General Handicapper, would love the category! (Think KVG/HB) 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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K=D8HB wrote:
wrote Suppose I have a rig with two VFOs. I'm hunt-and-pouncing QSOs on one frequency and listening to the pile on VY1JA on another frequency on the same band. I toss my call at VY1JA at appropriate moments. Is that SO2R or not? No. At best it's SO1.5R. Then we agree! The line has to be drawn somewhere. The line has already be drawn --- SO. The purists maintain that whatever an SO can do to improve his ability to run up a score should be allowed. I'm inclined to agree. Yet at the same time, there are usually power classes so the QRP' er isn't up against the big gun. In some contests, packet spotting puts you in a different class. So there is a precedent for different categories. The difference (to me, anyway) is that multiband SO2R essentially takes two complete stations capable of simultaneous operation even if they're both not in transmit mode at the same moment. That's where the line is - for me. Would you draw additional lines at SO3R, SO4R, SO5R, etc? Sure - but does anyone do those? What about multiple simultaneous transmissions - say, calling CQ on more than one band at a time? OTOH, it could be argued that as long as there is only one signal actually transmitted at any given time, and only one operator, there's only one "station", regardless of how much hardware is involved. Seems like a good argument to me! Now for a topic in the opposite direction: How about an "Iron" category (as in "Iron Chef" or "Ironman", etc.). One rig at a time, only. No second VFO, receivers or memories. No computer logging. No memory keyers for voice or code. 150 W maximum power. I wouldn't be in favor of such a category. To me, one of the attractions of radiosport is that it encourages pushing the limits (within good ethics) and thinking outside the box on several levels: innovative station design, battle strategy, skill development, and taking advantage of every available technology. Yet at the same time, there are power classes, and packet spotting puts you in a different category. Your "Iron" category seems like putting hobbles on Secretariat in the Preakness. Not at all! No one would have to be in that category if they didn't want to be. It would be optional - an alternative only. ---- How about this: Suppose someone builds a true robot station - automated sending and receiving. Sure, it won't handle QRM well, but when things aren't jumping in a domestic contest like SS, it could do the job on a slow band while the op eats, goes QWC, or takes a rest. Or maybe works another band. Or maybe not a total robot station, but rather a "new one finder". Computer-controlled receiver scans up and down each band, looking for callsigns that are not in the log already. Alerts the op to a new one automatically. There could be several of them, scanning each band simultaneously. (Useless early in the contest, but as time goes on they could be very helpful). How about putting the entire FCC callsign database in the computer in such a way that the op is given "pointers"? These "pointers" could be things like "callsign not in database", section/state/country, etc. Could give best-guesses from partial callsigns too. Would those things be OK in SO? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... In major contests like SS, CQWWDX, etc., should SO2R be a category seperate from SO? 73, de Hans, K0HB Hello, Hans Nothing like a Chief to figure a way to beat the odds, eh? ![]() Best regards (and respect, as well) Jim AA2QA ps - I'll getcha for this, pal ![]() |
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![]() "Jim Hampton" wrote ps - I'll getcha for this, pal ![]() "Old and devious" trumps "young and enthusiastic" every time! dit dit ----- Reverse Farnsworth "I" de Hans, K0HB |
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![]() "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote ps - I'll getcha for this, pal ![]() "Old and devious" trumps "young and enthusiastic" every time! dit dit ----- Reverse Farnsworth "I" de Hans, K0HB Hello, Hans Reverse Farnsworth "I"? I thought it was American Morse for "O". ![]() 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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