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The Pool
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW:May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point N3KIP and everyone before him can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote in message ups.com... Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool. Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW:May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point N3KIP and everyone before him can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY Hello, Jim Well, I lost the original bet. Tell you what, by 2010 there will be no licensing requirements; by 2011, the U.S. of A. will no longer have any ham radio licensees. Everything will be devoted to either big business, Christian Churches, or the Repooblican party (assuming the brain-dead don't wake up). 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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"bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB |
"KØHB" wrote in news:7UEqe.2534$hK3.1424
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: "bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB Not Jim specifically, but all the Pro Code Test Advocates (PCTA). I think it was Goethe who said something about new ideas not being accepted until those who cling to the old ones have died. It has to be said that there is some truth in that. I think that the FCC will abolish the code test before we get that far, though. They are taking their sweet time, though. My XYL is waiting on this event to go for her General, so that's my main interest. More countries abolish the code test all the time, although it's slowed to a trickle. I think Spain ditched the code test quite recently. OTOH, I think Italy may be one of the very few holdouts in Europe, but I think it is merely a delay. Canada looks set to do it soon, but has looked that way for a while, LOL! It will happen here too, but will have taken so long that some people will be shocked by it, as they will have pretty much forgotten about it by then. I don't think I'll add another date. I think it will be this year, though. All right, put my second guess as December 31st, 2005. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote Not Jim specifically, but all the Pro Code Test Advocates (PCTA). Nope, those guys are just expressing opinions. If there's a "choke hold" (and I don't agree there is), then it's the FCC with their hands around the throat of the ARS. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB All PCTA, including those employed by the FCC. |
Alun L. Palmer wrote: "K=D8HB" wrote in news:7UEqe.2534$hK3.1424 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: "bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB Not Jim specifically, but all the Pro Code Test Advocates (PCTA). I think it was Goethe who said something about new ideas not being accepted until those who cling to the old ones have died. It has to be said that there is some truth in that.=20 didit |
John Smith wrote: ... the writing is on the wall, the figures are good enough for a mathematician to hold as truth, the president of ARRL and FCC knows it... still, denial is a powerful thing... John I never once considered the actuarial tables as something to look forward to, but the ARS has changed all that for me. Now the actuarial tables are to be celebrated. Change will come to the ARS, eventually. |
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction) KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW: May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction) AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point everyone before N3KIP can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? That claim is incorrect. Gee, I didn't know! Me neither. Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! ;-) It seems very odd that I'd be accused of having a stranglehold in a thread where all I did was post people's opinions about when FCC would drop Element 1. If it were up to me, all amateur radio licenses would require at least a 5 wpm code test. And they'd all have better (not harder) written tests too. But it's not up to me. So I'll continue to give FCC my thoughts, ideas and opinions on the issues, and my reasons behind them. Maybe FCC will agree, maybe not. Hardly a "stranglehold". Just democracy in action.=20 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Frankly, I wonder of the sanity of the manufacturers of ham equip...
If they are interesting in selling radios, making a profit in the American tradition, etc... seems they would be taking their dollars and lobbying congress... John wrote in message ups.com... Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool. Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW:May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point N3KIP and everyone before him can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
interesting = interested even...
I give up, the typos just spring forth from my fingers... frown John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Frankly, I wonder of the sanity of the manufacturers of ham equip... If they are interesting in selling radios, making a profit in the American tradition, etc... seems they would be taking their dollars and lobbying congress... John wrote in message ups.com... Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool. Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW:May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point N3KIP and everyone before him can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
"K=D8HB" wrote in news:7UEqe.2534$hK3.1424 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: "bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the a= ctuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB It occurs to me that the references to "actuarial tables" is a backhanded way of telling me to drop dead.... Not Jim specifically, but all the Pro Code Test Advocates (PCTA). It was aimed straight at me. I think it was Goethe who said something about new ideas not being accepted until those who cling to the old ones have died. That claim is incorrect. It has to be said that there is some truth in that. Not much, if any. Not all new ideas are good ideas, either. I think that the FCC will abolish the code test before we get that far, though. They are taking their sweet time, though. Yep - and that may or may not be significant. My XYL is waiting on this event to go for her General, so that's my main interest. With all due respect - it's been five years plus since the 2000 restructuring made 5 wpm the only code test. Most people can learn code well enough to pass that test in 4-6 weeks of practicing about a half-hour a day. More countries abolish the code test all the time, although it's slowed to a trickle. That says something. Japan, long the poster-country of nocodetest amateur radio, just announced reduction but not elimination of their code testing. It would be interesting to see a list of countries with and without code tests. I think Spain ditched the code test quite recently. OTOH, I think Italy may be one of the very few holdouts in Europe, but I think = it is merely a delay. Canada looks set to do it soon, but has looked that way for a while, LOL! IIRC, Canada is also beefing up its written standards. It will happen here too, but will have taken so long that some people will be shocked by it, as they will have pretty much forgotten about it by then. I don't think I'll add another date. I think it will be this year, though. All right, put my second guess as December 31st, 2005. I think that's way too soon. FCC is obviously going the NPRM route, and that document isn't even out yet. Even if the NPRM shows up tomorrow, it will probably have a comment period lasting months, then FCC will take more months to do the R&O. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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John Smith wrote: Frankly, I wonder of the sanity of the manufacturers of ham equip... If they are interesting in selling radios, making a profit in the American tradition, etc... seems they would be taking their dollars and lobbying congress... John Actually, that was the theme of a thread in here. Evil manufacturers are selling ham radio down the sewer. |
Mike Coslo wrote in
: wrote: Alun L. Palmer wrote: "KØHB" wrote in news:7UEqe.2534$hK3.1424 : "bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB It occurs to me that the references to "actuarial tables" is a backhanded way of telling me to drop dead.... Not Jim specifically, but all the Pro Code Test Advocates (PCTA). I am a little surprised that Alun would be so prejudiced as to declare that all PCTAs think exactly the same. Makes it a lot easier to demonize than, eh? It isn't just you. I think exactly the same way as you, and say Larry Roll, and ALL the other PCTAs, in his estimation. Bad show! It was aimed straight at me. I think it was Goethe who said something about new ideas not being accepted until those who cling to the old ones have died. That claim is incorrect. He did however, say "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." It has to be said that there is some truth in that. Not much, if any. Not all new ideas are good ideas, either. I think that the FCC will abolish the code test before we get that far, though. They are taking their sweet time, though. Yep - and that may or may not be significant. My XYL is waiting on this event to go for her General, so that's my main interest. With all due respect - it's been five years plus since the 2000 restructuring made 5 wpm the only code test. Most people can learn code well enough to pass that test in 4-6 weeks of practicing about a half-hour a day. 5 years lost. So is waiting all this time a matter of high principles, or is it a lack of real interest? - Mike KB3EIA - It's not a matter of how they think, but just which side of the fence they are on. Their numbers will decline with attrition, and then it will show up as an apparent shift of opinion. |
"bb" wrote in news:1118583982.000249.281260
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: John Smith wrote: Frankly, I wonder of the sanity of the manufacturers of ham equip... If they are interesting in selling radios, making a profit in the American tradition, etc... seems they would be taking their dollars and lobbying congress... John Actually, that was the theme of a thread in here. Evil manufacturers are selling ham radio down the sewer. And yet, I've never seen any evidence of them lobbying |
bb wrote: wrote: It seems very odd that I'd be accused of having a stranglehold in a thread where all I did was post people's opinions about when FCC would drop Element 1. I've learned that people's opinions are now assertions of fact. As assertions of fact, they are either right or wrong, truthful or intentionally decitful (lies). At the end of the day, you either had a right opinion, or you lied. You have Robeson to thank for that. The problem, Brain, is that you don't learn when to express your opinon AS an opinion, and when to express something as an assertion. You STATED that "...the role of the ARES is overblown..", yet the very day you did it there were no less than three new items on various sites about third-party agencies lauding ARES volunteers. You then also STATED that ARES will not be able to respond because, allegedly, too many of the members are over extended on commitments. I've asked you over and over to provide some substantiation of those comments, but you simply dodge the questions. So either way you look at it, you're wrong. You are either so blissfully ignorant of the enviroment you're in that it manifests as "stupid", or you're intentionally being deceitful, in which case you're the liar I have claimed you to be. In either case, you're the loser. Oh well. Steve, K4YZ |
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
"bb" wrote in news:1118583982.000249.281260 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: John Smith wrote: Frankly, I wonder of the sanity of the manufacturers of ham equip... If they are interesting in selling radios, making a profit in the American tradition, etc... seems they would be taking their dollars and lobbying congress... John Actually, that was the theme of a thread in here. Evil manufacturers are selling ham radio down the sewer. And yet, I've never seen any evidence of them lobbying Read the Report and Order for 98-143. The comments most quoted by FCC in its restructuring decisions weren't those of ARRL, NCVEC, or even NCI. Not those of any individual, either. The comments most quoted by FCC in its restructuring decisions were those of Kenwood of America. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Alun L. Palmer wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in : wrote: Alun L. Palmer wrote: "K=D8HB" wrote in news:7UEqe.2534$hK3.1424 : "bb" wrote Your strangle hold on the amateur service may not end until the actuarial tables kick in, but they will end. Jim has a "strangle hold" on ham radio? Gee, I didn't know! Hey, Jim --- loosen up and let me breathe! did dit ----- Reverse Fransworth de Hans, K0HB It occurs to me that the references to "actuarial tables" is a backhanded way of telling me to drop dead.... Not Jim specifically, but all the Pro Code Test Advocates (PCTA). I am a little surprised that Alun would be so prejudiced as to declare that all PCTAs think exactly the same. Makes it a lot easier to demonize than, eh? It isn't just you. I think exactly the same way as you, and say Larry Roll, and ALL the other PCTAs, in his estimation. Bad show! It was aimed straight at me. I think it was Goethe who said something about new ideas not being accepted until those who cling to the old ones have died. That claim is incorrect. He did however, say "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." It has to be said that there is some truth in that. Not much, if any. Not all new ideas are good ideas, either. I think that the FCC will abolish the code test before we get that far, though. They are taking their sweet time, though. Yep - and that may or may not be significant. My XYL is waiting on this event to go for her General, so that's my main interest. With all due respect - it's been five years plus since the 2000 restructuring made 5 wpm the only code test. Most people can learn code well enough to pass that test in 4-6 weeks of practicing about a half-hour a day. 5 years lost. So is waiting all this time a matter of high principles, or is it a lack of real interest? - Mike KB3EIA - It's not a matter of how they think, but just which side of the fence they are on. On one particular issue. Their numbers will decline with attrition, and then it will show up as an apparent shift of opinion. The presumption is that the newcomers will have a higher percentage of NCTA folks than currently exists. Maybe that will happen and maybe it won't. Back in 1996, the ARRL-sponsored READEX poll on various codetest issues showed that the most procodetest age group was the *youngest* hams.=20 73 de Jim, N2EY |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: It seems very odd that I'd be accused of having a stranglehold in a thread where all I did was post people's opinions about when FCC would drop Element 1. I've learned that people's opinions are now assertions of fact. As assertions of fact, they are either right or wrong, truthful or intentionally decitful (lies). At the end of the day, you either had a right opinion, or you lied. You have Robeson to thank for that. The problem, Brain, is that you don't learn when to express your opinon AS an opinion, and when to express something as an assertion. Let me put it another way: When a statement reads as a fact, with no qualifiers like "I think" or "IMHO" or such most people read it that the writer is stating a fact. A person can hold whatever opinions they like. That does not mean all opinions are equally valid. A person's opinions can be based on true facts and valid logic, or not. Doesn't make the person a liar, just a poor thinker. You STATED that "...the role of the ARES is overblown..", yet the very day you did it there were no less than three new items on various sites about third-party agencies lauding ARES volunteers. You then also STATED that ARES will not be able to respond because, allegedly, too many of the members are over extended on commitments. I've asked you over and over to provide some substantiation of those comments, but you simply dodge the questions. So either way you look at it, you're wrong. You are either so blissfully ignorant of the enviroment you're in that it manifests as "stupid", or you're intentionally being deceitful, in which case you're the liar I have claimed you to be. There's a third possibility, Steve: That statement could simply be an opinion. The person starting it has chosen not to back up that opinion with facts. Doesn't make them a liar. It does show that they can't back up their opinion with facts, that's all. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: It seems very odd that I'd be accused of having a stranglehold in a thread where all I did was post people's opinions about when FCC would drop Element 1. I've learned that people's opinions are now assertions of fact. As assertions of fact, they are either right or wrong, truthful or intentionally decitful (lies). At the end of the day, you either had a right opinion, or you lied. You have Robeson to thank for that. The problem, Brain, is that you don't learn when to express your opinon AS an opinion, and when to express something as an assertion. You obviously didn't either. During your three week lying spree, not once did you say "In my opinion..." Hi! You STATED that "...the role of the ARES is overblown..", yet the very day you did it there were no less than three new items on various sites about third-party agencies lauding ARES volunteers. So? You then also STATED that ARES will not be able to respond because, allegedly, too many of the members are over extended on commitments. Is that what I said? You're welcome to quote it at any time. I've asked you over and over to provide some substantiation of those comments, but you simply dodge the questions. You're the original Dodgeful Arter. What seven hostile actions? Where is your documentation for your claims of "A" NCOIC of Okinawa MARS? |
wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: It seems very odd that I'd be accused of having a stranglehold in a thread where all I did was post people's opinions about when FCC would drop Element 1. I've learned that people's opinions are now assertions of fact. As assertions of fact, they are either right or wrong, truthful or intentionally decitful (lies). At the end of the day, you either had a right opinion, or you lied. You have Robeson to thank for that. The problem, Brain, is that you don't learn when to express your opinon AS an opinion, and when to express something as an assertion. Let me put it another way: When a statement reads as a fact, with no qualifiers like "I think" or "IMHO" or such most people read it that the writer is stating a fact. So when you stated that the Morse Code Exam would be a barrier to CW use, was that an opinion or was that a statement of fact? A person can hold whatever opinions they like. That does not mean all opinions are equally valid. A person's opinions can be based on true facts and valid logic, or not. Doesn't make the person a liar, just a poor thinker. You might want to explain it to Robeson. Be gentle. You STATED that "...the role of the ARES is overblown..", yet the very day you did it there were no less than three new items on various sites about third-party agencies lauding ARES volunteers. You then also STATED that ARES will not be able to respond because, allegedly, too many of the members are over extended on commitments. I've asked you over and over to provide some substantiation of those comments, but you simply dodge the questions. So either way you look at it, you're wrong. You are either so blissfully ignorant of the enviroment you're in that it manifests as "stupid", or you're intentionally being deceitful, in which case you're the liar I have claimed you to be. There's a third possibility, Steve: That statement could simply be an opinion. The person starting it has chosen not to back up that opinion with facts. Doesn't make them a liar. It does show that they can't back up their opinion with facts, that's all. 73 de Jim, N2EY It only took you a year to explain that one to Steve. Good going Jim. |
OK, here's my current thinking....
July 1, 2006 Cheers, Bill K2UNK wrote in message ups.com... Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool. Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW:May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point N3KIP and everyone before him can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: It seems very odd that I'd be accused of having a stranglehold in a thread where all I did was post people's opinions about when FCC would drop Element 1. I've learned that people's opinions are now assertions of fact. As assertions of fact, they are either right or wrong, truthful or intentionally decitful (lies). At the end of the day, you either had a right opinion, or you lied. You have Robeson to thank for that. The problem, Brain, is that you don't learn when to express your opinon AS an opinion, and when to express something as an assertion. You obviously didn't either. During your three week lying spree, not once did you say "In my opinion..." What lying spree? No lies were stated. YOU are welcome to post my comments, along with YOUR substantiation of your claim of mistruth You STATED that "...the role of the ARES is overblown..", yet the very day you did it there were no less than three new items on various sites about third-party agencies lauding ARES volunteers. So? "So" indeed. It was one of your many unsubstantiated assertions. Evidence that your statement was obviously flawed was provided. You then also STATED that ARES will not be able to respond because, allegedly, too many of the members are over extended on commitments. Is that what I said? You're welcome to quote it at any time. Already did that. You refuse to be the man you claim to be and fix it. The refusal keeps you in the group "chronic unrepentant liar" I've asked you over and over to provide some substantiation of those comments, but you simply dodge the questions. You're the original Dodgeful Arter. And you're a chronic liar. What seven hostile actions? I didn't tell you? Where is your documentation for your claims of "A" NCOIC of Okinawa MARS? You keep asking for "documentation of "A" NCOIC. What's an "A" NCOIC...?!?! You mean ANCOIC...?!?! It's on Okinawa waiting for you to write a letter to the source I ceted and verify it. Failure to do so manifests you as a coward. Denying that I provided you adequate information to verify my claims continues to render you a chronic liar. Do you lie like this to your wife? Your kids? Your extended family? Do you not know how to tell the truth, Brain? Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote It was one of your many unsubstantiated assertions. Rrap is like the bible .... it's all unsubstantiated .... just take it "on faith". |
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 (first prediction) K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction) KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW: May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction) K2UNK: July 1, 2006 (second prediction) AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point everyone before N3KIP can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote It was one of your many unsubstantiated assertions. Rrap is like the bible .... it's all unsubstantiated .... just take it "on faith". Steve takes nothing on faith. I don't even want to think what he would call those who penned the Bible. |
bb wrote: K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote It was one of your many unsubstantiated assertions. Rrap is like the bible .... it's all unsubstantiated .... just take it = "on faith". Steve takes nothing on faith. Not from you and Lennie. You're proven liars. Why would I take anything on "faith" from a proven liar, Brain? What have YOU done to disprove my allegations of your dishonesty? I don't even want to think what he would call those who penned the Bible. I call them "men". Why? What do YOU call them? Steve, K4YZ |
sorryJim but failing to back up an opinion doesn't mean they can't, may
mean they simply choose not to bother |
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Bert Craig wrote: I will go on the record with the prediction that Element 1 will NOT go away completely as first thought. It will be dropped for Tech "+" and General privies, but retained for the Extra. I am willing to bet that you've got the right combination, at least for now, Bert. I see a two class license structure on the next "restructuring" round. That's not to say I like it or support it, but I bet that's where we end up. I think enough folks have written to the FCC, as well as their elected officials, (Some of whom have a say in the FCC's budget.) and expressed their wishes that we not follow suit with the nations that have completely dropped the code from their licensing process. A-yup. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Bert Craig wrote: I will go on the record with the prediction that Element 1 will NOT go away completely as first thought. It will be dropped for Tech "+" and General privies, but retained for the Extra. I am willing to bet that you've got the right combination, at least for now, Bert. I see a two class license structure on the next "restructuring" round. That's not to say I like it or support it, but I bet that's where we end up. Ayup. Sounds reasonbable to me. |
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
Note how almost everyone's date, including mine, has already passed: WA2SI: September 13, 2003 (first prediction) KF6TPT: September 29, 2003 KC8EPO: December 31, 2003 K2UNK: January 1, 2004 (first prediction) K2ASP: March 15, 2004 AA2QA: April 1, 2004 N2EY: April 15, 2004 N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction) KC8PMX: July 1, 2004 WA2ISE: August 1, 2004 K3LT: September 15, 2004 WK3C: December 30, 2004 N4PGW: May 22, 2005 N8UZE: July 1, 2005 N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction) K2UNK: July 1, 2006 (second prediction) AB2RC: July 1, 2007 KB3EIA: July 5, 2007 W5TIT: June 1, 2008 WA2SI: Complete elimination not within the foreseeable future (second prediction) Anybody want to add a prediction? If so, the "rolling rule" (thanks Dee, N8UZE) applies: If your prediction on this list is a year or more in the past, you can add a new one. At this point everyone before and including N4PGW can add a new prediction. All predictions stay on the list. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Bill where do come up with that date
(july 1 06) in case google edits all down Just curious |
K4YZ wrote:
Bert Craig wrote: I will go on the record with the prediction that Element 1 will NOT go away completely as first thought. It will be dropped for Tech "+" and General privies, but retained for the Extra. I am willing to bet that you've got the right combination, at least for now, Bert. I see a two class license structure on the next "restructuring" round. That's not to say I like it or support it, but I bet that's where we end up. I'd vote for all of it myself. Problem is though that crystal-balling what the FCC actually comes up with is like playing Russian roulette with three rounds in the cylinder. Maybe four rounds . . . Like Shultz would say "I doan bet on NOTTING!". In this game. Which is why I haven't. And won't. I think enough folks have written to the FCC, as well as their elected officials, (Some of whom have a say in the FCC's budget.) and expressed their wishes that we not follow suit with the nations that have completely dropped the code from their licensing process. A-yup. 73 Steve, K4YZ w3rv |
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