"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:

Now you are the official spokesmen for ALL these women, I'd rather hear
that directly from all the other girls here...

John-listens-to-the-echoes-from-this-silent-and-empty-room-and-Dee-speaking-for-ALL-the-other-females

John


Once again you draw conclusions unwarranted by the comment, a comment based
not only on personal experience but articles that I have read by some of the
leaders of the women's organizations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:
"Physical skills?" You use this in reference to banging a key... you josh
right, the weakest woman in the world finds that no real task...

It is more akin to being able to whittle wood, throw a baseball or play a
musical instrument...

... well, not even that, it is in a class all itself and deserves a burial
into history...

John


Last time I tried it, playing a musical instrument was a physical skill as
well as throwing a basketball. You seem to confuse "skill" with "strength."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
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... oh, I love that argument!!! Let me see if I have it correctly,
either:

1) Women are too stupid for the technical fields.


How you managed to twist Mike's words to come up with this interpretation is
amazing. He neither said nor implied anything of the sort.


2) We are no worse than any other technical field about baring women.



He said nothing about barring women from technical fields. Again how you
managed to come up with this inverted interpretation is one of the mysteries
of the world. Women choose not to go into technical fields for their own
reasons. That includes hobby activities like ham radio.

Thank you. I work with a number of female engineers, and they seem to
have no problem working with me. My opinion on the issue is based on
conversations with them. Especially one who bristles at being called a
"female" engineer. She says "Just call me an engineer, if you don't mind!"

- Mike KB3EIA -

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:

Certainly everyone over 50 needs to step back and let the younger men have
a go--we are stagnated right now--I won't argue that point--it is MUCH too
obvious...


What is obvious is that the younger people are inexperienced. You fail to
realize that we need people of ALL ages involved and each contributes to the
benefit of amateur radio (or any other activity for that matter).

And since there is no limit on the number of hams, there is nothing stopping
the younger men from getting in and developing what they wish within the
technical limitations of the medium (i.e. HF cannot support ultrawide modes
without causing detrimental effects on the number of people who can use the
bands simultaneously).

What "modes" are you using? I am using a 56k modem my son modified to
modulate a transmitter... any other person able to interface an old 56k
modem to their computer can get the data... now a nice 10mbs per second
mode would be nice, where is some cheap equipment?


You do realize that a 56k modem is no use on HF. There isn't enough
bandwidth and the FCC rightly limits the speed of the digital modes. As to
what I've worked, I used to do RTTY, Amtor, packet, and some others. All
were deadly boring. I've put the equipment away to free up desk space.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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[snip]

The idea of "recruiting" people into the ARS is likely never going to
work - at least as far as snagging people that are thinking about a hobby,
but don't know what to pick up.

If you wanna be a Ham - you *know* it.


I must disagree to some extent with this, Mike. There are people who would
love being hams if only they knew about it and knew what it was like. I
never knew I wanted to be a ham until after I became one. My ex dragged me
to a ham class as something we could do together and I have to admit that it
did not sound interesting at the time. I found that it was something I
liked and now I would fight tooth and nail to keep my license.

If we are going to "recruit," we need to find those who would like it but
haven't had the opportunity to know about it or to know enough about it.

[snip]

A local oldster was inquiring as to when his license expired, because he
couldn't find his F.C.C. Wallpaper. We help him figure it out. We need to
keep the geezers on the air. I love talking to them. I hope someone is
looking out for me when I'm 91!


I hope so too. I had the great pleasure and honor of speaking with W5BQU
(Big, Quick, and Ugly) a year or two before he passed away. He was over 100
at the time and still in pretty good control of his faculties and still with
a zest for life, enjoying those things he still could do.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

Now you coax me into going down to the level of, in you own words, "a
comment based not only on personal experience but articles that I have
read by some of the
leaders of the women's organizations."

.... so that now I argue against your interpretations of materials and a
"special interest group"... what next, "Lesbian hams?"

The women are NOT there on the bands--you claim they are "hiding", well
great--they still ain't there in any REAL sense!

John



"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:

Now you are the official spokesmen for ALL these women, I'd rather
hear that directly from all the other girls here...

John-listens-to-the-echoes-from-this-silent-and-empty-room-and-Dee-speaking-for-ALL-the-other-females

John


Once again you draw conclusions unwarranted by the comment, a comment
based not only on personal experience but articles that I have read by
some of the leaders of the women's organizations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

My sons have used my equipment--they have no interest--there are just
too few here of interest to them--they ride the internet...

.... me, I have a vested interest, I try to get as many kids into the
hobby as I can--I am in a good position and have access to many of their
minds--no women are interested in learning code... not a one has stuck
through to become a ham, I won't gauge the whole world on these
statistics--it is just fact--and code by far is the worst turn off...

.... I am NOT very successful at getting many young men in the
math/engineering/technical fields interested even--now, I will stand
slurs on my ability to motivate them, perhaps I am not well suited, I
really don't see this in my other works with them, but I will accept the
possibility... however, then when you look at the numbers entering
amateur radio you realize I must not be the only one with such flaws...

.... and, if you get past all that--look at the mind set of the
individuals I argue with here--you think there is any chance in hell
young people are going to tolerate such limited views and individuals
"religious devotion" to cw? I don't think, I have asked them, the
answer is, "NO!"

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:

That is another interesting statistic--most women in radio are the
wives of hams--there is certainly some interesting reasons behind
that, I am sure... I think it directly relates to "Good-Old Boy's
Club" but them accepting the wife, daughter, relative of a member of
the club...

John


Most hams (male or female) got into ham radio because they were the
relatives and/or friends of hams. New hams get into the hobby by
contact with existing hams for the most part. My brother became a ham
because I was one.

I've not seen any "Good-Old Boy's Club" attitude at all. When I
joined the local club after moving to this area, I was single and none
of the members had ever met or talked to my ex. They accepted me
immediately as a fellow ham.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:

There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority, they are
probably no more of a minority than women's representation in other
technical fields. This would mean that any problem is shared with those
other technical fields, and not a Ham radio specific problem.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Actually I know more women in ham radio than women in engineering.

In all my 43 years in engineering I've met a grand total of four woman
engineers, two MEs, one EE and a Chem E. Our contesting club alone has
three female members, an old girlfriend is a ham and I met W3CUL. Out
of Lord only knows how many engineers and hams I've met over the years.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv

Dee:

Yes, I do confuse "physical" and "strength", the both inspire manual
tasks as opposed to mental tasks to me... cw is like the tying I do
here, neither requiring thought, strength or a particular skill... it
just looks like rote (brain dead) acquired learning to me...

I learned to type so I could communicate with the computer BETTER and
FASTER and LEARN more... cw does not offer me that worthwhile reward to
make me give it any such respect, devotion, or "religious worship" at
all...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:
"Physical skills?" You use this in reference to banging a key... you
josh right, the weakest woman in the world finds that no real task...

It is more akin to being able to whittle wood, throw a baseball or
play a musical instrument...

... well, not even that, it is in a class all itself and deserves a
burial into history...

John


Last time I tried it, playing a musical instrument was a physical
skill as well as throwing a basketball. You seem to confuse "skill"
with "strength."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

Wide band FM is much more than enough band width--it can be done with
some success on narrow band...

.... even the ancient terminology "mode" is disgusting to a real
engineer--hams need to get with it and realize these are "protocols"...
ham radio is beginning to look like a bunch of would be "Egyptian
priests" attempting control though ignorance generated by specialized
terminology...


John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:

Certainly everyone over 50 needs to step back and let the younger men
have a go--we are stagnated right now--I won't argue that point--it
is MUCH too obvious...


What is obvious is that the younger people are inexperienced. You
fail to realize that we need people of ALL ages involved and each
contributes to the benefit of amateur radio (or any other activity for
that matter).

And since there is no limit on the number of hams, there is nothing
stopping the younger men from getting in and developing what they wish
within the technical limitations of the medium (i.e. HF cannot support
ultrawide modes without causing detrimental effects on the number of
people who can use the bands simultaneously).

What "modes" are you using? I am using a 56k modem my son modified
to modulate a transmitter... any other person able to interface an
old 56k modem to their computer can get the data... now a nice 10mbs
per second mode would be nice, where is some cheap equipment?


You do realize that a 56k modem is no use on HF. There isn't enough
bandwidth and the FCC rightly limits the speed of the digital modes.
As to what I've worked, I used to do RTTY, Amtor, packet, and some
others. All were deadly boring. I've put the equipment away to free
up desk space.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE