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Dee:
You miss a very important reality. If the youngsters are not introduced to amateur radio--then most of those interested in RF uses will go the Ghz freqs of lans/wans and setup various neighborhood or city/town/county computer communication networks, and when they look back at amateur radio and the code requirement--they will laugh and become freebanders!!! Much better to get 'em started right up front--although the oldsters here act like radio is a big thing, the kids don't think so--they have been chatting the world for a big percentage of their lifetimes on the internet... they don't have to wait for conditions to improve, they don't have to buy expensive equipment or set up large antennas or run linears--they chat 24/7 with total and complete reliability... they don't have to find someone with a license to chat with, anyone able to obtain a computer they can and do chat with... there are NO BARRIERS, compare that to amateur radio... .... then there is the data throughput capabilities of the net which the narrow rf spectrum amateur radio provides will never allow for... The lack of them here proves there is some REAL problem, and that is what I have been saying--AMATEUR RADIO WILL HAVE TO CHANGE AND COME OUT OF THE PAST AND JOIN THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES WITH DYNAMIC MINDS TO MEET THESE CHALLENGES OR DIE... .... one or the other is inevitable, surely a blind person can see that... I would think you might be free of the DINOSAUR SIZED EGOS of the males here and able to grasp this immediately... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... [snip] Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to backfire eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how much damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham radio gets it's turn. The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop out. Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will panic people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing people now. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Dee: [snip] "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... [snip] So what you really needed was exposure - publicity - examples - demos. Were you attracted to amateur radio because it was like the internet, or because it was something very different? Yes I needed to know what it was all about before developing an interest in radio for it's own sake. The Novice/Tech class I took along with my husband at the time filled that role. I have to note that in an earlier post where you disagreed with me about a person "knowing" they wanted to be a ham, after reading this, I have to agree that the things that I most enjoy now are nothing like what I thought I wanted to do when first becoming a ham. Which of course is a powerful argument for keeping the Morse code test. Once I had some basic knowledge about ham radio, I was attracted by the fact that it was NOT like the internet. What attracted me was that I could talk around the world with NO INFRASTRUCTURE. That communications was totally dependent on me and my skills and my knowledge of propagation once I had the basic radio and antenna. Here I, just an average citizen, could put a radio signal around the world and even beyond if I wanted to pursue it. If it had been like the internet, I'd probably have lost interest. Although I use the Internet a lot (probably waay too much) I love Ham radio precisely because it ISN'T the Internet. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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John Smith wrote:
Dee: Down load Mirc (it is free) if you have a windows machine (if apple there are other programs)and learn to IRC... you will find you have been missing a lot.. DIfferent strokes for different folks, John. Internet Relay Chat is for some of us just about the *least* interesting facet of the Internet. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... [snip] Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to backfire eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how much damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham radio gets it's turn. The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop out. Easy one Dee, cuz I think that is just what happened recently! Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will panic people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing people now. The ability of middle aged and older men to become incredibly agitated and angry about trivial things. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Dee:
If you download mirc, study it and how to use it, hook to the dalnet server and pick a room like #australia - #40+friends #30-60friends - #California - #Sweden - etc - etc -etc... .... you will get lost for hours chatting, you can instantly send and receive pictures and documents with other room members, the chat happens in real time--you can go voice-to-net with another free application and chat to the other countries for free in speech... after you have seen and experienced all this--tell me amateur radio doesn't have to "GET REAL!" I doubt if these old buggers here could even get Mirc installed on their machines, learn to use it and find out what they are missing--these old boy are just too plum SLOW!!! grin download mirc for free here == http://www.mirc.com Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You miss a very important reality. If the youngsters are not introduced to amateur radio--then most of those interested in RF uses will go the Ghz freqs of lans/wans and setup various neighborhood or city/town/county computer communication networks, and when they look back at amateur radio and the code requirement--they will laugh and become freebanders!!! Much better to get 'em started right up front--although the oldsters here act like radio is a big thing, the kids don't think so--they have been chatting the world for a big percentage of their lifetimes on the internet... they don't have to wait for conditions to improve, they don't have to buy expensive equipment or set up large antennas or run linears--they chat 24/7 with total and complete reliability... they don't have to find someone with a license to chat with, anyone able to obtain a computer they can and do chat with... there are NO BARRIERS, compare that to amateur radio... ... then there is the data throughput capabilities of the net which the narrow rf spectrum amateur radio provides will never allow for... The lack of them here proves there is some REAL problem, and that is what I have been saying--AMATEUR RADIO WILL HAVE TO CHANGE AND COME OUT OF THE PAST AND JOIN THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES WITH DYNAMIC MINDS TO MEET THESE CHALLENGES OR DIE... ... one or the other is inevitable, surely a blind person can see that... I would think you might be free of the DINOSAUR SIZED EGOS of the males here and able to grasp this immediately... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... [snip] Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to backfire eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how much damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham radio gets it's turn. The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop out. Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will panic people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing people now. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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![]() "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Down load Mirc (it is free) if you have a windows machine (if apple there are other programs)and learn to IRC... you will find you have been missing a lot.. John Tried it and didn't like it. The magic of ham radio is that you don't need an infrastructure such as the internet. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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![]() "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: If you download mirc, study it and how to use it, hook to the dalnet server and pick a room like #australia - #40+friends #30-60friends - #California - #Sweden - etc - etc -etc... ... you will get lost for hours chatting, you can instantly send and receive pictures and documents with other room members, the chat happens in real time--you can go voice-to-net with another free application and chat to the other countries for free in speech... after you have seen and experienced all this--tell me amateur radio doesn't have to "GET REAL!" I doubt if these old buggers here could even get Mirc installed on their machines, learn to use it and find out what they are missing--these old boy are just too plum SLOW!!! grin download mirc for free here == http://www.mirc.com Warmest regards, John Not interested in internet chat. Tried it and it's dull. Too much infrastructure and not enough independence to make it a fun hobby. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee:
Well, at least you prove my point, the world moves on--some stay... but as it has always been-it will wait for no man or woman... new mindsets will now have to move us up-to-date, which has been my argument all along... it will be a pleasure to see this happen in my lifetime... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: If you download mirc, study it and how to use it, hook to the dalnet server and pick a room like #australia - #40+friends #30-60friends - #California - #Sweden - etc - etc -etc... ... you will get lost for hours chatting, you can instantly send and receive pictures and documents with other room members, the chat happens in real time--you can go voice-to-net with another free application and chat to the other countries for free in speech... after you have seen and experienced all this--tell me amateur radio doesn't have to "GET REAL!" I doubt if these old buggers here could even get Mirc installed on their machines, learn to use it and find out what they are missing--these old boy are just too plum SLOW!!! grin download mirc for free here == http://www.mirc.com Warmest regards, John Not interested in internet chat. Tried it and it's dull. Too much infrastructure and not enough independence to make it a fun hobby. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Mike:
Yanno, back in the horse and buggy days--when the horse was king--same thing--some waited with their horses for other to come to their senses and get rid of their autos... it never happened... I think this is very much the same where those so religiously and historically tied to the past and what has always been will remain blind to the fact that change is inevitable... I know the question is not "if it will happen?" but rather, "how long is this going to take?" I feel like I am back at Kitty Hawk saying, "Now it is only a matter of time, men WILL FLY THE EARTH AS EAGLES!" grin "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... [snip] Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to backfire eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how much damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham radio gets it's turn. The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop out. Easy one Dee, cuz I think that is just what happened recently! Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will panic people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing people now. The ability of middle aged and older men to become incredibly agitated and angry about trivial things. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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