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Dee:
Like the "magic of traveling is the horse?" I think not, but I see the small group here is all centered about this... not surprising really... but way out of mainstream... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Down load Mirc (it is free) if you have a windows machine (if apple there are other programs)and learn to IRC... you will find you have been missing a lot.. John Tried it and didn't like it. The magic of ham radio is that you don't need an infrastructure such as the internet. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Dee: [snip] "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... [snip] So what you really needed was exposure - publicity - examples - demos. Were you attracted to amateur radio because it was like the internet, or because it was something very different? Yes I needed to know what it was all about before developing an interest in radio for it's own sake. The Novice/Tech class I took along with my husband at the time filled that role. "Radio for its own sake" - that's the key to amateur radio. If someone is turned on by that, they may want to be a ham. If not, it's highly doubtful. I have to note that in an earlier post where you disagreed with me about a person "knowing" they wanted to be a ham, after reading this, I have to agree that the things that I most enjoy now are nothing like what I thought I wanted to do when first becoming a ham. Which of course is a powerful argument for keeping the Morse code test. Exactly. When I first got started with a shortwave receiver (homemade), I was attracted to ham radio by the folks on 75 meter AM. I wanted to join them, so I set about getting a license. In those days, that meant at least a General Class license, so I set about learning the code and theory, and setting up a station. Got the Novice at age 13 in 1967 and went on the air with Morse Code. Now originally the plan was to use Morse Code on the air until I could get the General. But a funny thing happened on the way - I discovered how much fun Morse Code was, and how much could be done with very simple equipment using Morse Code. And it became my favorite mode. Once I had some basic knowledge about ham radio, I was attracted by the fact that it was NOT like the internet. What attracted me was that I could talk around the world with NO INFRASTRUCTURE. That communications was totally dependent on me and my skills and my knowledge of propagation once I had the basic radio and antenna. Here I, just an average citizen, could put a radio signal around the world and even beyond if I wanted to pursue it. That's the hook for me, too. Plus doing it with equipment I designed and built myself. If it had been like the internet, I'd probably have lost interest. Although I use the Internet a lot (probably waay too much) I love Ham radio precisely because it ISN'T the Internet. Same here. The big difference is that the 'net is a means to an end. Ham radio is an end in itself. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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N2EY:
When there was some mystery to radio, perhaps, no longer... most even listen to shortwave on the internet... Check out radio australia, BBC, etc. webpages... they even make note of it... and you can get their broadcasts though your computer with audio quality which is remarkable... No, we are just watching the end of an era, like the horse and buggy... no one stuck in the past can ever see the future coming, and they all end up dreaming of halting progress... even from their rest homes... If you stay active with the youngsters and an important part of your community activities it is much easier to accept change and have the skills to adapt... .... staying current is a real chore, popping into a college now and grabbing a course to stay current is beyond what some can will or want... Many are just too old to be able to incorporate the computer into their lives, the current generation can't live without them--but then, neither can I and I consider myself an old fart... John wrote in message oups.com... Mike Coslo wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Dee: [snip] "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... [snip] So what you really needed was exposure - publicity - examples - demos. Were you attracted to amateur radio because it was like the internet, or because it was something very different? Yes I needed to know what it was all about before developing an interest in radio for it's own sake. The Novice/Tech class I took along with my husband at the time filled that role. "Radio for its own sake" - that's the key to amateur radio. If someone is turned on by that, they may want to be a ham. If not, it's highly doubtful. I have to note that in an earlier post where you disagreed with me about a person "knowing" they wanted to be a ham, after reading this, I have to agree that the things that I most enjoy now are nothing like what I thought I wanted to do when first becoming a ham. Which of course is a powerful argument for keeping the Morse code test. Exactly. When I first got started with a shortwave receiver (homemade), I was attracted to ham radio by the folks on 75 meter AM. I wanted to join them, so I set about getting a license. In those days, that meant at least a General Class license, so I set about learning the code and theory, and setting up a station. Got the Novice at age 13 in 1967 and went on the air with Morse Code. Now originally the plan was to use Morse Code on the air until I could get the General. But a funny thing happened on the way - I discovered how much fun Morse Code was, and how much could be done with very simple equipment using Morse Code. And it became my favorite mode. Once I had some basic knowledge about ham radio, I was attracted by the fact that it was NOT like the internet. What attracted me was that I could talk around the world with NO INFRASTRUCTURE. That communications was totally dependent on me and my skills and my knowledge of propagation once I had the basic radio and antenna. Here I, just an average citizen, could put a radio signal around the world and even beyond if I wanted to pursue it. That's the hook for me, too. Plus doing it with equipment I designed and built myself. If it had been like the internet, I'd probably have lost interest. Although I use the Internet a lot (probably waay too much) I love Ham radio precisely because it ISN'T the Internet. Same here. The big difference is that the 'net is a means to an end. Ham radio is an end in itself. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Top Posting John Smith wrote:
Kelly: Yep. I think you are unaware that some of us out here have our licenses, got our radios fired up, tune the bands--and it is nothing but the same old, same old... We do see all the rag chews, boring rants, same operators, same gripes, same rants, same little groups, same ideas, same conversations as yesterday--day, after day, after day... So what do you want them to talk about? I thought hams could converse about whatever pleases them. I don't see anything in the FCC regulations that says hams can only talk about this and can't talk about that. Do you? I am sure a lot of 'em are sitting there waiting for us poor ignorant ops to "get with it" and "come to the realization" of just how vital and interesting this all is and SHOULD BE to us... If you aren't interested no one is holding a gun to your head to make you listen. Have enough sense to either change to another frequency/band or turn the damn radio off and find something else to do. Well I am one which does not and cannot appreciate it... if the fault lies with me and my interests and views--so be it... Thank goodness not everyone has to share your views or interests. If I am wrong and all these young guys just can't wait to get a license and startup a QSO so they hear these old guys fart and rant--well, that is just a short coming of mine--and, those young dynamic guys who are running the world right now and providing new ideas, designs and methods are probably on the way here right now to find the old farts.... I'll just sit here and wait for 'em, I need a change... maybe I can chat with one or two of 'em--if they can quit their hero worship of you guys long enough... grin John Sure sounds like ham radio isn't for you. Maybe you should go back to cb and the 'freeband'. |
#145
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message .. . . encounters with woman engineers. Is it possible that the woman engineers I don't see out here are operating in academia instead?? Would not surprise me a bit if that's the case. I work out in the trenches of the automotive industry Got it, misimpression on my part, I think you've mentioned "your students" in the past and I assumed the rest. and stated that I did NOT see very many female engineers but that I see more female hams than female engineers. I did get this part of it right. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv |
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From: "Phil Kane" on Thurs 16 Jun 2005 12:28
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:03:51 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: How many women get their pilots license as compared to men? I don't know. I'll have to ask our friend Jane who owns and flys her own air taxi service.... The "Grace L. Ferguson Storm Door and Airline Company?" :-) Find any local Ninety-Nines chapter and ask around there. Good for another lop-sided opinion. Ever go to an antique radio swap meet? You will find a lot more men collecting and fixing old radios than women. One of the more prominent collectors and restorers of WW-II-era military radios is a woman - who is also the communications chief for one of the major California cities. MINOR city, Phil. Tsk, tsk. If you like butch lesbians, she's the gal for you... She isn't old enough (by photos) to be born until at least 1965 or later... Do you collect dolls, tea sets, china dishes? No? Lots of women do. As do most of the dealers in that field, who are overwhelmingly male. Tsk, tsk, you need to watch more HGTV, Phil. Especially the "Carol Duvall Show." :-) Or walk into any Michael's chain outlet any hour of the day. Bye. |
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![]() Phil Kane wrote: On 15 Jun 2005 17:01:18 -0700, wrote: In all my 43 years in engineering I've met a grand total of four woman engineers, two MEs, one EE and a Chem E. In my 50 years in engineering I've =dated= more women engineers than you seem to have met, was engaged to one (nuclear engineer) and married another (EE). In my wife's office alone there are more than 4 =PEs= on her floor, including the chief of the structural engineering section (imagine that, a lady tower engineer). Had my wife gone through the paperwork as she talked about twenty years ago she, too, would have been a PE. Our contesting club alone has three female members, an old girlfriend is a ham and I met W3CUL. Out of Lord only knows how many engineers and hams I've met over the years. In our club, the largest radio club in the state if not in the Pacific Northwest, about 1/3 of the hams are women, and of them, about half are active on the air in some fashion or other. This topic is getting interesting, I'd like to take it a bit further. I'm at a complete loss to understand why there's such an obvious disparity in the numbers of woman hams & engineers in this part of the country vs. in your part of the country. With respect to the socioeconomicpolitical mindsets Oregon is well known for marching to it's own occasionally quirky liberal drummer while PA is a typical old-form mid-Atlantic centrist sort of place. I 'spose there are some of the usual left coast / right coast differences which sort of favor left coast women and might explain part of it. But good grief, we're not talking Albania and Sweden here. I've mulled the matter off and on for a few hours and it occurs to me that maybe, just maybe our exposures to women engineers in particular have been quite different. As in where you've churned your coin vs. where I've gotten mine over the years. I've only spent a total of ten years working for large entities, six as a Navy employee back when woman engineers simply didn't exist for all practical purposes, then much later I did four with the DuPont central engineering center in the mid-1980s. Three of the four woman engineers I've met and cited were DuPont employees, the fourth was a short-time part timer I ran into on a specific small-biz project whose real job was with some large firm or another. Except for the six I did with the Navy, a gig I loved and was enormous fun I've spent most of the rest of my career in smokestack small-medium size busineses. I have allergic reactions to huge employers for a number of reasons and generally avoid them. I despise corporate beige with a purple passion If I have it right you spent most of your career with the FCC, another huge entity. Is it possible that women in engineering tend to gravitate in large numbers to major entities where fair employment practices are actually practiced and you've gotten involved with more of them than I've ever managed to meet? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon w3rv Out here in the smokestacks of Delaware County PA |
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John Smith wrote:
Mike: Yanno, back in the horse and buggy days--when the horse was king--same thing--some waited with their horses for other to come to their senses and get rid of their autos... it never happened... I think this is very much the same where those so religiously and historically tied to the past and what has always been will remain blind to the fact that change is inevitable... I know the question is not "if it will happen?" but rather, "how long is this going to take?" I feel like I am back at Kitty Hawk saying, "Now it is only a matter of time, men WILL FLY THE EARTH AS EAGLES!" grin Remember though, that there is no rule that disallows enjoyment of heritage technology *and* more recent technology. (I hesitate to call things like the internet, and digital modes as cutting edge - they are not) I spend a lot of my hobby time doing psk31, using antenna design programs, and I am starting to fool around with tube equipment as a lark too. It's all good, man! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Michael:
Exactly... nothing is a "whole world onto itself." There are just different points of views and interests/goals. How one discusses the subjects eventually draws a picture of the authors minds--some have only self-serving interests and goals in mind and are not interested in anything else--some are willing to look at the bigger picture, plan for the future and try to encompass everyone in the future plans and goals... Hey, it is a free country... John "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Mike: Yanno, back in the horse and buggy days--when the horse was king--same thing--some waited with their horses for other to come to their senses and get rid of their autos... it never happened... I think this is very much the same where those so religiously and historically tied to the past and what has always been will remain blind to the fact that change is inevitable... I know the question is not "if it will happen?" but rather, "how long is this going to take?" I feel like I am back at Kitty Hawk saying, "Now it is only a matter of time, men WILL FLY THE EARTH AS EAGLES!" grin Remember though, that there is no rule that disallows enjoyment of heritage technology *and* more recent technology. (I hesitate to call things like the internet, and digital modes as cutting edge - they are not) I spend a lot of my hobby time doing psk31, using antenna design programs, and I am starting to fool around with tube equipment as a lark too. It's all good, man! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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