wrote in message
oups.com...
Dee Flint wrote:

[snip]

Also there is a difference in what defines a
desireable location. A higher percentage of the men will look at a
facility
in a rural location and say "now I can go fishing more often."

I'd like to be there when some lady engineer/ham lusts for a nice quiet
antenna location out in the boonies and is married to some city boy . .


Well I'm a lady engineer/ham who lusts for a nice, quiet antenna farm in the
country and am married to a city boy. However, he's also a ham and happens
to like the quietness of the rural areas. But the work is in the cities.
Oh there's some engineering jobs in rural areas and I used to take those.
But then when the company cuts back, you are automatically slated to move
when you find a new position as it sure isn't going to be in that rural area
where you worked at the only firm using engineers. Moving every 5 years or
so got old fast.


There's
probably a whole raft of reasons having nothing to do with discrimination
that contribute to the disparity.

Indeed: The code has been cracked.

w3rv

That is my opinion too. There's another factor that crops up. Women do not
like to just arbitrarily change jobs in search of higher pay or a promotion.
They prefer stability. So they seek out and stay with those firms that seem
to fit that bill. There's been some sort of study that I read somewhere on
that. The end result is that they rise up the wage scale and promotion
scale more slowly. The men who get ahead rapidly are usually those who make
judicious job changes every 5 years or so in the early years of their
careers.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

From: Mike Coslo on Jun 19, 11:13 am

wrote:

Bingo!

We cannot control Len's behavior here.

Isn't that so...so..."horrid" (as Dee once put it)? :-)


We can however, control our own.

NOT ACCORDING TO JIMMIE. He say before he cannot control K4YZ!

Jimmie be judge of ALL!


I don't know about your mail reader, but mine has a couple levels of
filtering. I can filter by name, or the easy way is to simply hit "k" at
the subject line. I never see that subject again.

K


That being said, I have mixed feelings on the filtering. I use it to
get rid of the lunatic fringe topics, but little else.

NCTA be "lunatic fringe?" K

Working station ON the moon is partly "lunatic" thing...

Coslo reach "edge of space" yet?


I don't filter people like Len though, as I look forward to his
postings. They are entertaining.

"There's no business like show business, like no business I know..."

[Los Angeles be entertainment capital of the world, big business]


So if the people who find his postings
offensive quit getting into p*****g contests with him by filtering him
out or just ignoring him, I'll have lost that bit of fun.

The self-righteous shall always be with us, God bless their
pointy lil heads.

Above all, let's all do our best to ENTERTAIN MIKEY! All in here
must honor the PCTA Extras. They are the Elite amateurs. Hail!

Ave Imperator!

From: Mike Coslo on Jun 19, 11:02 am

Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:


It's not my job to point that out to each and every participant on
this group Jim - is it yours? Why?

You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

You can't resist! :-)

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

I'm beginning to draft a business plan on that, might go COMMERCIAL!



Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

My wife and I took delivery of a new car Friday. WE GOT EXACTLY
WHAT WE WANTED. Got a 10 percent discount beyond the trade-in
value. Paid cash, too. :-)


See? It's absurdly simply to toss in just a line, no bait, and
I gonna get all kinds of bites. Most will be undersized but I
just toss 'em back in... :-)

From: Leo on Jun 19, 11:26 am

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:
From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.

The same way with that warm, wonderful Extra, K4YZ... :-)

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!

Real hams don't have buttons...just code keys and rotary knobs
and switches, lots and lots of them... :-)

Jimmie and Stebie and Davie all try to manufacture as many
"buttons" as they can. Tsk, tsk, they find that those "buttons"
don't connect to any of my circuits, don't do anything. :-)

But, they hang in there, wearing out their pudgy lil fingers,
pushing, pushing, pushing. Parallel-connected triodes in
"push-push" connection, running unneutralized and breaking into
oscillation at the least disturbance! Tsk, tsk.


Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

Or as Mick Jagger says - you can't always get what you want - you get
what you need!

A Rolling Stone gathers no Carrie Moss.

[Megalips Mick was too busy with others...]


73, Leo

Most sincere good wishes on this Father's Day (in here it looks
more like 'boxing day' but without any Brit connotations),

On 19 Jun 2005 09:50:58 -0700, wrote:



Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 07:19:22 -0700, wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:

From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
snip

Seig Heil!!! :-)

Next up, Jim will once again attempt to invoke Mr.
Godwin's rule.

"attempt"? Hardly!
snip

Attempt, definitely. Because, as has been demonstrated many times
before, the discusion will continue regardless of whether
Godwin's impotent rule has been 'invoked' or not.

The version of Godwin's rule that I use says that the person
who uses stoops to calling their opponent "Hitler", "Nazis"
or references to them, has lost the argument. That the
discussion
continues is irrelevant. Len has lost the argument.

I see. Thanks for clearing that up, Jim - for a minute there, I was
afraid that you hadn't accomplished anything useful there!

So it wasn't an "attempt" but a success.

Was it? Not really - the discussion will continue.

Irrelevant - Len has lost the argument.

Oh. OK then. That matters a lot.
Guess that makes you 'right', then. Len was 'wrong', and you were
'right'. Feel better now?


But it just had to be done, didn't it?

No, it didn't. But I did it anyway.

Of course you did. You had to!

Nope. I chose to.

The choice, Sir, was not yours to make - you simply could not
resist doing so.

I chose to respond. Other times I choose not to. Len posts
far more than I respond.

I suggest that you responded because you had to respond. You couldn't
help yourself!


Is there a problem with that? Do you think Len's slurs
are acceptable behavior?

There are several folks here whose 'slurs' and language are
much worse
than this example

Yes, Len has done worse....

Is that what I said? Don't think so!

It's a valid interpretation.

Not at all - you are in error.


(a reference to the bumbling and
comical 'Nazis' on "Hogan's Heroes")

The Fuhrer was a feldwebel in WW1

Godwin invoked.

For what? I did not use Hitler/Nazi references to anyone
involved in the discussion. I simply stated the fact
that ol' Adolf was a feldwebel in the German Army in WW1.

I see.

You just felt it necessary to blurt that out, for no reason at all?

Heh heh.


- always has been, always will be.

That claim is incorrect. Usenet is not eternal.

It's not my job
to run around and point that out all day every day.

You have avoided the question.

Do you think Len's slurs are acceptable behavior?

Not my job to judge that, Jim. That's apparently your role.

In other words, you won't answer the question.

That is correct - I have no opinion on the subject. In short, I have
no answer to your (rhetorical) question.

Seek elsewhere.


It's not my job to point that out to each and every participant on this group Jim - is it yours? Why?

Your argument seems to be that since Len will probably exhibit
his typical immature ethnic-slur Godwin-violating bad-pun
Unknown-Soldier-insulting jackass behavior anyway, there's no
point in pointing out when he is, indeed, exhibiting his typical
immature ethnic-slur Godwin-violating bad-pun Unknown-Soldier-insulting
jackass behavior. Is that about right?

Nope. You have avoided the question.

See how that works?

Apparently, you do. You have a long history of avoiding any question
that you don't like - or didn't ask.


Perhaps you have a valid point, since if what Len seeks is
attention, pointing out his typical immature ethnic-slur
Godwin-violating bad-pun Unknown-Soldier-insulting jackass behavior
gives him that attention.


(73 de Jim etc. sig missing again)

Not missing - omitted.

In a fit of pique? As an insult? Forgot, maybe!

None of the above.

Not true.


Lid-like behaviour, wouldn't you think?

Not at all.

The original meaning of "73" is "a friendly greeting
between operators". In the context of amateur radio,
this means between amateur radio operators.

In the words of Hans - thank you, Captain Obvious!

Most people don't know the original meaning.

In an Amateur Radio newsgroup? Heh heh. OK, Jim - whatever you say.


It would be inappropriate to use the greeting to
someone who is not an amateur radio operator.

Which I am. And have stated many times before.

And your callsign is?

Not going to be used in this newsgroup. For reasons explained
earlier.

Starts with VE3, though - issued in 2002.


You can state almost anything here, but as long as you
remain an "anony-mousie", there's room for doubt.

LOL! Anony-mousie? That's a Len term.

You may not like the guy much, but you seem to be learning from him!

Good for you.


Poor memory? Google 'er up.....

I know what you claimed. But there's no independent
evidence.

You claim to be an educated guy, Jim, there isn't much evidence of
that either!

But don't worry - I believe you!


(73 de Jim etc...sig left out again for apparently no known reason -
boo hoo again)

73, Leo

On 19 Jun 2005 12:29:05 -0700, wrote:

From: Leo on Jun 19, 11:26 am

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:02:42 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 04:48:01 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 17:30:57 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:
From: Mike Coslo on Fri 17 Jun 2005 22:07


You are correct there Leo. Jim is perfectly capable of not responding
to anything Len posts. We all are.

I'm not sure that I'd agree, Mike. Jim seems to feel compelled to
respond to anything and everything regarding Len. From early morning
to late at night, 7 days a week, he wages his futile war on the
newsgroup.

Doesn't look like a choice - more like an obcession.

The same way with that warm, wonderful Extra, K4YZ... :-)

And of course, Len knows quite well that all he has to do is put in a
reference to the Nazi's, and it will get a response. Sets the hook quite
regularly, he does! Irresistible bait apparently.

Right you are, Mike. One of the most important things I learned from
being a parent - if you let the kids know where the buttons are, they
can't push 'em!

Real hams don't have buttons...just code keys and rotary knobs
and switches, lots and lots of them... :-)

Jimmie and Stebie and Davie all try to manufacture as many
"buttons" as they can. Tsk, tsk, they find that those "buttons"
don't connect to any of my circuits, don't do anything. :-)

But, they hang in there, wearing out their pudgy lil fingers,
pushing, pushing, pushing. Parallel-connected triodes in
"push-push" connection, running unneutralized and breaking into
oscillation at the least disturbance! Tsk, tsk.


Stalemate. Looks like everyone is getting exactly what they want.

Or as Mick Jagger says - you can't always get what you want - you get
what you need!

A Rolling Stone gathers no Carrie Moss.

[Megalips Mick was too busy with others...]


73, Leo

Most sincere good wishes on this Father's Day (in here it looks
more like 'boxing day' but without any Brit connotations),

Thanks much, Len - you too!

And don't forget, every day is Boxing Day in here......



73, Leo

wrote:

I know what you claimed. But there's no independent
evidence.

So, we have Jim asking for independent evidence. Hi!

Robeson makes claims as well.

Leo wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 09:50:58 -0700, wrote:

You can state almost anything here, but as long as you
remain an "anony-mousie", there's room for doubt.

LOL! Anony-mousie? That's a Len term.

Jim has begun the free-fall from grace.

wrote:

See? It's absurdly simply to toss in just a line, no bait, and
I gonna get all kinds of bites. Most will be undersized but I
just toss 'em back in... :-)

And hope they grow up.

wrote:
From: Mike Coslo on Jun 19, 11:13 am


wrote:


Bingo!

We cannot control Len's behavior here.


Isn't that so...so..."horrid" (as Dee once put it)? :-)


Not at all! I enjoy most of your posts.


We can however, control our own.


NOT ACCORDING TO JIMMIE. He say before he cannot control K4YZ!

Jimmie be judge of ALL!



I don't know about your mail reader, but mine has a couple levels of
filtering. I can filter by name, or the easy way is to simply hit "k" at
the subject line. I never see that subject again.


K

Not in the text body, but the subject line.. 8^)


That being said, I have mixed feelings on the filtering. I use it to
get rid of the lunatic fringe topics, but little else.


NCTA be "lunatic fringe?" K

Nope.

Working station ON the moon is partly "lunatic" thing...

Coslo reach "edge of space" yet?

The project is moving along. We've had a major change in the payload
and recovery strategy.

To specifically answer your question, not yet.



I don't filter people like Len though, as I look forward to his
postings. They are entertaining.


"There's no business like show business, like no business I know..."

[Los Angeles be entertainment capital of the world, big business]



So if the people who find his postings
offensive quit getting into p*****g contests with him by filtering him
out or just ignoring him, I'll have lost that bit of fun.


The self-righteous shall always be with us, God bless their
pointy lil heads.

Above all, let's all do our best to ENTERTAIN MIKEY!

Thank you, I appreciate that. Yer doin' okay.


- Mike KB3EIA -