Dave Holford wrote:
One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.



Double the 'frequency' ??


What do you expect from a cber?

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.


Double the 'frequency' ??

"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote

The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse
to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double
the frequency, double the elitism.

Damn, and here I thought that the 20M band was at about half the frequency of
the 10M band. Did those rascals at ARRL go and change that too? Where on the
dial can I now find my 20M buddies, up in the old 5M band? I thought we'd lost
that band way back in the 40's.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB

John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?




So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away
with? Is that true?

What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any
solution at all?

If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the
problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do
best.

Break

Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.

and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them

I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue
for amateurs.


"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message
...
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is
self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs
in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee?
A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections
of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if
the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it
is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL
cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life
Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better
things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice
the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak
with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?

Well, other than reading their website or using their books to pass an exam, I
know little about them. But it seems they run the show, and are very powerful.
Sometimes, they are better off having 2 of these type organizations. But one is
better than none.

Vinnie S.

an_old_friend wrote:
John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:
Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.

and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them

I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to.
Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members.
The ARRL may (and should) **** off the complacent members who cling to
the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required
because the old-timers had to take them.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:15:47 GMT, RJ wrote:

I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue
for amateurs.

The only solution to that is to get The Congress to pass the bill
that has been introduced three times to assert Federal jurisdiction
and get the problem solved (I deal with CC&R cases professionally).
The Congress stonewalls it every time. Few if any states even want
to touch it.

What do YOU suggest?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Actually, you doped up drunk, it is a good thing. When a keyclown loses
his job cuz he is a keyclown then a step is taken toward overall
keyclown eradication.

He doesn't have a mom...the cocker spaniel who voided its' bowels to
create him got hit by a car.