an_old_pervert:

Ahhh, I see you win the "Antagonistic Fool Award" again today.

There is no real competition here, you always win hands down...

John

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


K4YZ wrote:
Kim wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license

Big snip to....

OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty
convinced that
it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a
whole huge
trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER
HUSBAND AS
CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a
chill pill.

The point, I think, Kim, was that there was, once upon a time,
a
suggestion to allow the spouse to operate a "unit" of an Amateur
Radio
station just like CB or GMRS...


thepoint is that you are obsessed with the need to control other
people. the rules are not being broken, so grow up


And ultimately that's what the patitioner was told...Get a GMRS
license!

I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old
women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands
license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are
much
more competitive)

You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the
under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST,
help them
let their wimpy-###ed husbands get into it and get a radio.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?

more gratuious insults




THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k?
Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these
women.


Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing
hysterically ( :o)
Get a load of this: "these" women.


Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio,
it may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license
of their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John


Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me,
I'd have to
see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it
this way:
see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of
strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent
women, of whom
it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS
strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your
mighty
little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the
curb. By the
way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or
your
guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked,"
you need to
get out of that closet you're in.

Kim...if you were in Tennessee right now, or I in Texas, I'd
have
only two words for a woman with an attitude like that...

SADDLE UP! =) =) =) =)

more sexism

You realy inist on showing all your bigotries in one day don't you


Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready
for the
office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own.
My little
pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously
surrounded by
idiot women, the only types he can deal with.

A bit, uuh...dare I say it..."hormonal" are we, today...?!?!

more sexism


=)

88

Steve, K4YZ

all this one the "man" who nevr chases anybody off

K4YZ wrote:


Jayson Davis wrote:


As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.


I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".

And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"



It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.

To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.

I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?


So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".


If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?

To Jayson again: (Sorry Steve, I didn't see the post until now)

Question number 1 - Why do so many people seem to think that the
internet is some kind of Hi-Tech wonderland - and that Amateur Radio
darn well better emulate it?

Side note..... If you think that the Internet is at the cutting
edge.... well, we know that you aren't.

And yes, mentioning AX. 25 is telling me that. Packet radio is FAIAP
not at all about transmission of large amounts of data. It has morphed
into APRS, GPS apps, C and C and other areas which do indeed attract
bright people who want to experiment.

BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?

I suspect it might sound snobbish, but it *is* true that 50 percent of
people are below average. Gospel truth!



Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllp....Markie wil chime in here and say I
am "attacking" Lennie, but there's been a no code license for just that
very kind of experimentation for 14 years now, and Lennie and hi ilk
have been more than welcome to jump right in and develop all the new
data protocols they'd like to do.

Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?

Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

Yup.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Kim wrote:


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


Don't hold back Kim! Let the troll know exactly how you feel!

Well put BTW.. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Troll?

As if you can utter that word and people stay blind to the fact you
are one?

Get real. Open your eyes, you may have convinced yourself that
everyone else is stupid except you--but buddy, you only have yourself
believing it...

ROFLOL!

John

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35
year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST,
help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN
come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k?
Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


Don't hold back Kim! Let the troll know exactly how you feel!

Well put BTW.. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

K4YZ wrote:


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

Rather a sad sign of our times, Steve. We live in an era in which
"things" are so simple. NeoCons can attribute ALL problems to the
mythical "liberal", who despite being almost nonexistant today, is still
somehow responsible for all the ills of society.

In the same way, we have a lot of people who are willing to attest
every problem, real or imagined, to that dreaded Element 1 test. It is
responsible for the "declining number of Hams", etc etc, etc.

They will get the chance to put their theory to the test. They will
also find out they are wrong.


By the way, has no one else noticed that the drop off in numbers is
primarily Technicians who were not code tested?

Kinda puts the lie to that theory right away doesn't it?

There was not that much effort, and those who were not all that
interested got their license. Ten years later, they allowed the license
to lapse.

- Mike KB3EIA -

From: Michael Coslo on Fri 22 Jul 2005 13:37

K4YZ wrote:
Jayson Davis wrote:

As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.

I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".

And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"

That would be a REALISTIC beginning... :-)

Oh, Michael, we've all seen the "crowd" represented by K4YZ. :-)

So, other than the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society)
thinking their sky has fallen, what would YOU really
advertise U.S. amateur radio in its "new beginning" after
WT Docket 05-235 turns into an R&O?

It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.

To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.

Not the YOU "us," Michael. The ARRL badly needs new membership.
They've never had as many as a quarter of all U.S. amateur
radio licensees as members and are currently down around just
20% of licensees. ARRL is more business than organization and
the business side of the house has to show a profit.

I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?

Why are you sounding insecure? The FCC defines U.S. amateur
radio. You don't define U.S. amateur radio.

You are sounding EXACTLY like the "superior OTs" you decry in
another message...like everyone MUST accept what YOU accept
as a definition. Tsk.

So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".

"Thrill?!?" Has Stebie gotten an Orion and having oriongasms?

"Wireless" today refers to LANs coupled by radio, not wires.
See the acronym WLAN and what the "W" stands for.

Almost exactly 50 years ago I picked up a handset in Tokyo
and spoke to my counterpart in San Francisco, all a part of
the Army network. First time I'd "done DX" on HF. WAs
there supposed to be a "thrill" associated with using that
24/7 communications circuit? :-) Perhaps novel is the word,
but I already knew the circuit was there 24/7 as were all the
other radio circuits.

I've used radio to communicate from land, sea, and air. Not
a magic thing. If there be "magic" then it was listening to
Edward R. Murrow reporting live from London in 1940 in the
midst of the London Bombing. "Magic" is a subjective thing.

Radio waves and electrons do NOT, nor ever did operate
according to human emotional dictates. Try to remember that.

If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?

To Jayson again: (Sorry Steve, I didn't see the post until now)

Question number 1 - Why do so many people seem to think that the
internet is some kind of Hi-Tech wonderland - and that Amateur Radio
darn well better emulate it?

Alternate Question number 1: Why are you getting defensive?

Side note..... If you think that the Internet is at the cutting
edge.... well, we know that you aren't.

And yes, mentioning AX. 25 is telling me that. Packet radio is FAIAP
not at all about transmission of large amounts of data. It has morphed
into APRS, GPS apps, C and C and other areas which do indeed attract
bright people who want to experiment.

Aren't you conflicting with yourself on that?

"Bright people wanting to experiment" aren't going to fall in love
with a radio service demanding all below-30-MHz-privileged
individuals demonstrate telegraphy skills...especially when
that skill goes back 161 years! :-)

BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?

How does a requirement of knowing 161-year-old morsemanship
skill attract the "bright and intelligent?" :-)

What the six-tiered-class system of old U.S. amateur radio
licensing did was attract some people who NEEDED to climb
ladders of accomplishment through the classes to get to the
top...and then proclaim their "superiority in radio!" :-)


Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?

Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.

Poor babies...feeling "hated" are you both?

Feeling "hated" because so few agree with your self-proclaimed
"definitions" of What It Is All About?

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy. All those who disagree with you
two HATE YOU! Not only that, THEY HATE HAM RADIO...because you
two define yourself as "ham radio!" [you two have the conspiracy
thing all in a row, lined up...in your minds]

Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

Yup.

Tsk. How little you two know of REAL engineering and
"experimentation." :-)

You two sound like an anvil chorus playing a Newington stage.
SRO you ain't.

Have fun in the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society). [why
are you here instead of playing with your HF radios?]

bit bit

On 22 Jul 2005 06:34:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?

A smoking Desert Eagle in .50AE, an HT with a large hole in one side
and out the other, and Arnold uttering his excellent line (spoken to a
recently deceased Sharon Stone) from the movie Total Recall: "Consider
that a divorce!"

73 de John, KC2HMZ

From: Michael Coslo on Jul 22, 3:06 pm


K4YZ wrote:
Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

Rather a sad sign of our times, Steve. We live in an era in which
"things" are so simple. NeoCons can attribute ALL problems to the
mythical "liberal", who despite being almost nonexistant today, is still
somehow responsible for all the ills of society.

Poor babies. Suffering the cynicsm and angst of the middle-aged
are you? :-)

In the same way, we have a lot of people who are willing to attest
every problem, real or imagined, to that dreaded Element 1 test. It is
responsible for the "declining number of Hams", etc etc, etc.

You two aren't cut out to be forest rangers...you two are unable
to see the forest for the trees... :-)

Had you bothered to look (outside of your respective insides),
you would have seen an INCREASE in amateur radio licenses in
the USA between the mid-2000 restructuring change and mid-2003.
A three-year period of growth in numbers.

Unfortunately, since then there has been a DECREASE in numbers
over the last two years. Steady - but small - decrease. That
is borne out by the delta between NEW licensees and EXPIRED
licenses. About 3,623 in one year's time from the 21 Jul 05
numbers on www.hamdata.com.


They will get the chance to put their theory to the test. They will
also find out they are wrong.

Love those ABSOLUTE predictions! So...well..."predictable!" :-)

By the way, has no one else noticed that the drop off in numbers is
primarily Technicians who were not code tested?

Really? Who wrote that...besides an obvious PCTA, that is...?

Joe Speroni said that about 5 years ago. He tried to "prove"
it with some number juggling but only made headway with his
fellow PCTAs.

Kinda puts the lie to that theory right away doesn't it?

Kinda puts your statement into a POS without some proof...:-)

There was not that much effort, and those who were not all that
interested got their license. Ten years later, they allowed the license
to lapse.

Sunnuvagun! All those no-code-test Techs being "quitters?"

NOBODY else left the U.S. ARS? :-)

Novice class has been dropping steadily for over five years.
They were NEVER "no-code-test" and once heralded as the
"entry point" into amateur radio, years ago. "Bunch of
quitters," right? :-)

Sweetums, go look at the present-day numbers. Technician
class now (as of 21 Jul 05) has 40.81% of all individual
licensees. That's over twice as many General class
licensees (only 20.33%). Together with Technician Plus,
they make up 48.46% of all individual licensees.

The no-code-test Technician class did not exist in 1990.
Since the inception of that class in 1991, those licensees
have ADDED about 200 THOUSAND hams to the U.S. numbers.
Without them the U.S. amateur radio "community" would have
DECREASED markedly over the last 14 years...like DROPPING
a whopping 27% compared to today's total individual licenses.

But, you don't want to see reality, do you? The fantasies
are much more appealing and "it's always someone else's
fault," isn't it?

bit bit

John K.

I'd prefer Dee stating, "Don't be no girly-man, Now!!!

Then demanding, "Pick up that damn brass key and tap me out an
apology, NOW!" (leather and whips are optional, of course)
grin

John

"John Kasupski" wrote in message
...
On 22 Jul 2005 06:34:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?

A smoking Desert Eagle in .50AE, an HT with a large hole in one side
and out the other, and Arnold uttering his excellent line (spoken to
a
recently deceased Sharon Stone) from the movie Total Recall:
"Consider
that a divorce!"

73 de John, KC2HMZ

friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone to hell
in a handbasket.


Yeah, the world's been going to hell in a handbasket for as
long as I can remember. Been going there in the 60's, the
70's, the 80's, the 90's and right now. Funny how things
haven't really degraded any.