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"an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... cut but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument (even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months) given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code testing. That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing with no ill effects after two years. not to put you on the spott but i'll try to put you on the spot do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that the FCC would wait and study awhile? IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree, no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc) no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced that points to any need for code knowledge. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 11 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2545 572 Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48 Value for Percentages 2387 524 Against NPRM (note 2) 719 [30.12%] 164 [31.30%] For NPRM (note 3) 1305 [54.67%] 271 [51.72%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 363 [15.21%] 89 [16.98%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
From: "Bill Sohl" on Wed 12 Oct 2005 14:25
"an old friend" wrote in message Bill Sohl wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that the FCC would wait and study awhile? IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree, no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc) no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced that points to any need for code knowledge. I personally doubt that the FCC will do any more than review the 2600 Comments expected to be received by the end of the Comment period at the end of October (as of the 11th of October the count of Comments was 2545 total). Right now there are more Comments than the more than half-year period of WT Docket 98-143 on Restructuring. That ended in mid-January 1999 and the final Report and Order (99-412) was released in December 1999. Since WT Docket 05-235 is less complex than 98-143, I doubt the review-and-decision period would be greater than a half year on NPRM 05-143. If there is any concession to the outraged ham morsemen, I would predict that the Commission MIGHT keep the 5 WPM code test for Amateur Extra class. I say MIGHT only in speculation. The Commission is already on record of 15 years ago that it doesn't think that radiotelegraphy skill is anything worthy for their purpose in granting amateur radio licenses. However, the Commission has conceded to the desires of the special interest groups (such as the ARRL) in the past, so the final R&O will say much about the influence of the ARRL on the Commission now. If the Commission won't yield to morse testing for Extras, then I'd say that the ARRL just doesn't have the clout it once had. My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. |
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. That's nice, Len. But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate? Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+ comments and give us a readout of your own analysis. (SNIP) Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:14:42 GMT, "Bill Sohl"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... wrote: My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. That's nice, Len. But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate? Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+ comments and give us a readout of your own analysis. ....or opine on how inaccurate it *may* be, without investing the time and effort to substantiate your theory....... :) (SNIP) Cheers, Bill K2UNK 73, Leo |
From: Leo on Wed, Oct 12 2005 5:40 pm
wrote: wrote in message wrote: My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. That's nice, Len. But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate? Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+ comments and give us a readout of your own analysis. ...or opine on how inaccurate it *may* be, without investing the time and effort to substantiate your theory....... :) There should be NO problem on ascertaining the accuracy of anything where the entire contents are OUT IN THE OPEN for ALL TO SEE. All that is left is to tally up the opinions into the four categories I used...of all 2545 Comments filed as of 11 October 2005, beginning with "comment" #1 on 15 July. It's "easy." Just read every single Comment filed. :-) "For accuracy" Jimmie MUST decide on what to do with the duplicates (only two major offenders there, one FOR, one Against the NPRM), what to do with the half dozen who are Commenting on a totally different subject (not even amateur radio), and generally try to decode what some of them are trying to say (not always easy). Those FOR, those Against the NPRM are fairly clear and un- ambiguous. Should be an easy decision on just reading them. For the "Extra Only" group it isn't that clear since those generally add a lot of commentary that is NOT in the NPRM. Larry Klose got a lot of static on his large, and more complex analysis of WT Docket 98-143. That's still in the ECFS database if anyone wants to look. I expected the same on WT Docket 05-235 on NPRM 05-143. Jimmie is getting draconian in his mistrust, dislike, and general ****iness on those who won't agree with him that morsemanship is the holy grail of amateurism. Screum. JIMMIE CAN DO HIS OWN WORK on the stats if he is so shirty about it...and SHOW IT. :-) |
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Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 12 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2556 583 Indeterminate (note 1) 161 51 Value for Percentages 2395 532 Against NPRM (note 2) 721 [30.10%] 166 [31.20%] For NPRM (note 3) 1309 [54.66%] 275 [51.69%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 365 [15.24%] 91 [17.11%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
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