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[email protected] September 2nd 05 03:20 AM

Docket Scorecard
 
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 31 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2023 55

Indeterminate (note 1) 101 4

Value for Percentages 1922 51

Against NPRM (note 2) 561 [29.19%] 19 [37.25%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1082 [56.30%] 28 [54.90%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 279 [14.52%] 4 [ 7.84%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 2nd 05 09:29 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 1 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2105 137

Indeterminate (note 1) 104 7

Value for Percentages 2001 130

Against NPRM (note 2) 587 [29.34%] 45 [34.62%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1115 [55.72%] 61 [46.92%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 299 [14.94%] 24 [18.46%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 3rd 05 08:53 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 2 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2123 155

Indeterminate (note 1) 109 12

Value for Percentages 2014 143

Against NPRM (note 2) 587 [29.15%] 45 [31.47%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1120 [55.61%] 66 [46.15%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 307 [15.24%] 32 [22.38%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 7th 05 01:08 AM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 2 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1,
corrected from previous 2 Sep post due to 11 filings added on
6 Sep 05 for 2 Sep 05. Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2134 166

Indeterminate (note 1) 115 12

Value for Percentages 2192 154

Against NPRM (note 2) 606 [29.18%] 46 [29.87%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1153 [55.51%] 75 [48.70%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 318 [15.31%] 33 [21.43%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 8th 05 04:48 AM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 6 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2210 240

Indeterminate (note 1) 127 15

Value for Percentages 2083 222

Against NPRM (note 2) 623 [29.91%] 70 [31.53%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1143 [54.87%] 109 [49.10%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 317 [15.22%] 43 [19.37%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 8th 05 05:55 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 7 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2221 251

Indeterminate (note 1) 129 20

Value for Percentages 2092 231

Against NPRM (note 2) 626 [29.92%] 73 [31.60%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1148 [54.88%] 114 [49.35%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 318 [15.20%] 44 [19.05%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 9th 05 08:48 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 8 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2233 263

Indeterminate (note 1) 131 22

Value for Percentages 2102 241

Against NPRM (note 2) 628 [29.88%] 75 [31.12%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1153 [54.85%] 119 [49.38%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 321 [15.27%] 47 [19.50%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 11th 05 06:51 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 9 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2243 273

Indeterminate (note 1) 132 23

Value for Percentages 2111 250

Against NPRM (note 2) 633 [29.99%] 80 [32.00%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1155 [54.71%] 121 [48.40%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 323 [15.30%] 49 [19.60%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 13th 05 12:04 AM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 9 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2246 276

Indeterminate (note 1) 132 23

Value for Percentages 2114 253

Against NPRM (note 2) 633 [29.94%] 80 [31.62%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1158 [54.78%] 124 [49.01%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 323 [15.28%] 49 [19.37%]

The FCC has not updated its ECFS for 12 Sep 05 as of 6 PM EDT on
12 Sep 05. This posting reflects three additional Comments added
by them, one on 6 Sep 05 and two on 31 Aug. All three are "For."

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 13th 05 11:51 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 12 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2277 307

Indeterminate (note 1) 132 25

Value for Percentages 2143 282

Against NPRM (note 2) 640 [29.86%] 87 [30.85%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1176 [54.88%] 142 [50.35%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 327 [15.26%] 53 [18.79%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 14th 05 08:26 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 13 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2288 318

Indeterminate (note 1) 134 25

Value for Percentages 2154 293

Against NPRM (note 2) 645 [29.94%] 92 [31.40%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1180 [54.78%] 146 [49.83%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 329 [15.27%] 55 [18.77%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




RST Engineering September 14th 05 11:25 PM

I'm just not "in the know". Why would or would not the FCC consider all
comments, and what is an "FR Notice"? To be sure of being heard, can we
repost what we posted prior to the FR Notice?

Jim


wrote in message
ups.com...
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 13 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice




an_old_friend September 15th 05 02:45 AM


RST Engineering wrote:
I'm just not "in the know". Why would or would not the FCC consider all
comments, and what is an "FR Notice"? To be sure of being heard, can we
repost what we posted prior to the FR Notice?


no one is truely in the know here. I would say you could resend just in
case You might mention that the dates issue to sure

Hopefully Len would move such a dub out of the sole previous to
publishing stats, and you might add more to flesh out your remarks

OTOH I believe the FCC will not realy discount any coment made before
formal publication

Jim


wrote in message
ups.com...
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 13 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice



[email protected] September 15th 05 05:52 AM

From: RST Engineering on Sep 14, 2:25 pm

I'm just not "in the know". Why would or would not the FCC consider all
comments, and what is an "FR Notice"? To be sure of being heard, can we
repost what we posted prior to the FR Notice?


"FR Notice" is Federal Register Notice. All announcements, news,
notices, laws enacted, etc., by any federal agency is printed in
there...every working day by the Government Printing Office (GPO).

If you look at the lower part of the Title of NPRM 05-143 you
will see that the "Comment period begins when printed in the
Federal Register" and then extends until N number of days after
that notice. 60 days for Comments and 75 days for Replies to
Comments.

The first filed comment on WT Docket 05-235 appeared on 20 July.
The NPRM itself was inserted by the FCC on 21 July but they
moved it to 15 July the next day. You can see the time-stamp
of the ECFS on the 15 July filing (which is larger in file
size than the direct-downloadable NPRM PDF file version because
it is a scanned paper image).

The Notice on NPRM 05-143 did not appear in the Federal Register
until 31 August. When it did, the Notice added the official
cutoff date of Comments as 31 October with cutoff of Replies to
Comments as 14 November. The period between 15 July and 31
August is roughly six weeks. So, for six weeks there's about
2000 Comments filed which were done BEFORE the Notice in the
Federal Register.

You are free to post anything you want in the ECFS. If the FCC
doesn't like it for any reason, then they probably won't let it
be on the ECFS. About half of the "Indeterminates" are so
categorized because they go into some kind of argument/diatribe
NOT directly attributable to the NPRM; the NPRM is ONLY about
the elimination or retention of the code test.

Some individuals have posted MORE than once such as surname
Garcell with over 14 "For" Comments and surname Sparks with
over 5 "Against" Comments. I don't know what the FCC will do
with those. I put duplicates in the "Indeterminate" category
because all I'm doing is getting some insight on the opinions
of all those who Comment.

So far, in the first two months of Comment, the number of
filings exceed all of those posted on WT Docket 98-143 on
Restructuring (roughly 10 months total from release of that
NPRM and official - extended twice - cutoff date of
15 Jan 99). If elimination goes through as an R&O it will be
of greater impact on the immediate future of United States
amateur radio than did R&O 99-412 on restructuring.




[email protected] September 16th 05 08:59 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 15 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2319 348

Indeterminate (note 1) 137 28

Value for Percentages 2182 320

Against NPRM (note 2) 653 [29.93%] 99 [30.94%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1193 [54.67%] 159 [49.69%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 336 [15.40%] 62 [19.38%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




RST Engineering September 17th 05 08:07 PM

Then in your daily scorecard, since it appears to be some sort of fill-in
template, would you please put the FCC URL to this comment site?

Jim



So far, in the first two months of Comment, the number of
filings exceed all of those posted on WT Docket 98-143 on
Restructuring (roughly 10 months total from release of that
NPRM and official - extended twice - cutoff date of
15 Jan 99). If elimination goes through as an R&O it will be
of greater impact on the immediate future of United States
amateur radio than did R&O 99-412 on restructuring.






[email protected] September 17th 05 09:32 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 16 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2321 350

Indeterminate (note 1) 138 29

Value for Percentages 2183 321

Against NPRM (note 2) 653 [29.91%] 99 [30.84%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1194 [54.70%] 160 [49.84%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 336 [15.39%] 62 [19.31%]


The ECFS did not list any filings for 16 Sep 05 as of Noon EDT on
17 Sep 05. The above includes two added filings for 15 Sep 05.

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 17th 05 09:40 PM

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi

That gets you to the fill-form at the FCC for finding filings on
dockets and for specific dates. You have only to put in
"05-235" without the quotes in the upper left block and the
dates (in the stated format) in the "from-to" blocks.

You can also get there from the FCC home page through
the general search block and follow the links to reach the same
page. There's been over 2300 filings so far since 15 July 2005;
happy reading! :-)




[email protected] September 17th 05 09:55 PM

I'll add that you can compare the filings on 98-143
("restructuring") with 05-235 by just entering "98-143" (without
quote marks) in the upper left block. Leaving all the date
blocks blank will return ALL filings on a given proceding. At
the bottom of the Results display you can select numeric
groups (100 per display at these numeric totals).




[email protected] September 20th 05 02:21 AM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 19 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2357 386

Indeterminate (note 1) 141 32

Value for Percentages 2216 350

Against NPRM (note 2) 670 [30.23%] 116 [32.77%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1209 [54.56%] 175 [49.44%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 337 [15.21%] 63 [17.80%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] September 21st 05 12:56 AM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 20 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2367 396

Indeterminate (note 1) 144 35

Value for Percentages 2223 361

Against NPRM (note 2) 672 [30.23%] 118 [32.69%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1213 [54.57%] 179 [49.58%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 338 [15.20%] 64 [17.73%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




RST Engineering September 21st 05 01:05 AM

Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by
submitter's name? I'd like to find mine and copy it directly into a new
comment to make sure I'm on the record.

Jim



KØHB September 21st 05 04:38 AM


"RST Engineering" wrote

Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by submitter's
name?


1) Send your browser to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi

2) In block 1 identify the proceeding ( 05-235 )

3) In block 4 enter "Jim Weir"

4) Click "Retrieve Document List"

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
Homepage:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb
Member:
ARRL http://www.arrl.org
SOC http://www.qsl.net/soc
VWOA http://www.vwoa.org
A-1 Operator Club http://www.arrl.org/awards/a1-op/
TCDXA http://www.tcdxa.org
MWA http://www.w0aa.org
TCFMC http://www.tcfmc.org
FISTS http://www.fists.org
LVDXA http://www.upstel.net/borken/lvdxa.htm
NCI http://www.nocode.org




[email protected] September 21st 05 04:52 AM

From: K=D8=88B on Sep 20, 7:38 pm

"RST Engineering" wrote

Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by submit=

ter's
name?


1) Send your browser to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi

2) In block 1 identify the proceeding ( 05-235 )

3) In block 4 enter "Jim Weir"

4) Click "Retrieve Document List"


Right on! [leave the date blocks blank]

Search can also be done by surname only. [try Garcell for
someone who got too anxious...repeatedly...or Sparks]




RST Engineering September 21st 05 07:40 PM

Thanks. Now that I read the page carefully it is obvious how to make that
happen.

Jim



"KØHB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"RST Engineering" wrote

Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by
submitter's name?


1) Send your browser to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi

2) In block 1 identify the proceeding ( 05-235 )

3) In block 4 enter "Jim Weir"

4) Click "Retrieve Document List"

73, de Hans, K0HB




[email protected] October 11th 05 09:21 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2530 557

Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48

Value for Percentages 2372 509

Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




Grümwîtch thë Ünflãppåblê October 11th 05 09:44 PM




wrote in message
ups.com...
: Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
:
: As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
: Elimination/Retention tabulation:
:
: ALL to Date Since FR Notice
: -------------- ---------------
: Grand Total 2530 557
:
: Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48
:
: Value for Percentages 2372 509
:
: Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%]
: For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%]
: Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%]

Quiteclose voting 55% against with retention any Morse test, 45% for
retention of some level of Morse test.

BGO
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire



an old friend October 11th 05 10:54 PM


Gr=FCmw=EEtch th=EB =DCnfl=E3pp=E5bl=EA wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
: Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
:
: As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
: Elimination/Retention tabulation:
:
: ALL to Date Since FR Notice
: -------------- ---------------
: Grand Total 2530 557
:
: Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48
:
: Value for Percentages 2372 509
:
: Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%]
: For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%]
: Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%]

Quiteclose voting 55% against with retention any Morse test, 45% for
retention of some level of Morse test.


but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes

what will realy count is the total lack of valid any reason to keep
code testing or the fialure of the Procoder to advance any new argument
(even at this late date I beleive that the proCoders coming up with
something NEW valid or not would stop the porcess for months)

given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code
testing

BGO
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire



Bill Sohl October 12th 05 05:22 AM

"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Grümwîtch thë Ünflãppåblê wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
: Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
:
: As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
: Elimination/Retention tabulation:
:
: ALL to Date Since FR Notice
: -------------- ---------------
: Grand Total 2530 557
:
: Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48
:
: Value for Percentages 2372 509
:
: Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%]
: For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%]
: Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%]

Quiteclose voting 55% against with retention any Morse test, 45% for
retention of some level of Morse test.


but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes
what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep
code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument
(even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with
something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months)
given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code
testing.


That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since
a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing
with no ill effects after two years.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK




an old friend October 12th 05 08:26 AM


Bill Sohl wrote:
"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

cut
but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes
what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep
code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument
(even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with
something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months)
given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code
testing.


That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since
a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing
with no ill effects after two years.


not to put you on the spott but i'll try to put you on the spot

do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that
the FCC would wait and study awhile?

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



Bill Sohl October 12th 05 04:25 PM


"an old friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill Sohl wrote:
"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

cut
but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes
what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep
code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument
(even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with
something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months)
given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code
testing.


That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since
a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing
with no ill effects after two years.


not to put you on the spott but i'll try to put you on the spot

do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that
the FCC would wait and study awhile?


IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify
keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper
or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree,
no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by
anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc)
no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced
that points to any need for code knowledge.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK




Iitoi October 12th 05 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Sohl
IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify
keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper
or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree,
no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by
anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc)
no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced
that points to any need for code knowledge.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

FCC has seemed anxious for "concensus", so the apparent almost half who want some continued test may seem to risk that 5wpm test for Extra would remain as other countries have done for their top classes.

[email protected] October 12th 05 08:07 PM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 11 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2545 572

Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48

Value for Percentages 2387 524

Against NPRM (note 2) 719 [30.12%] 164 [31.30%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1305 [54.67%] 271 [51.72%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 363 [15.21%] 89 [16.98%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] October 12th 05 09:51 PM

From: "Bill Sohl" on Wed 12 Oct 2005 14:25

"an old friend" wrote in message
Bill Sohl wrote:
"an old friend" wrote in message



do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that
the FCC would wait and study awhile?


IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify
keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper
or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree,
no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by
anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc)
no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced
that points to any need for code knowledge.


I personally doubt that the FCC will do any more than review
the 2600 Comments expected to be received by the end of the
Comment period at the end of October (as of the 11th of October
the count of Comments was 2545 total). Right now there are
more Comments than the more than half-year period of WT Docket
98-143 on Restructuring. That ended in mid-January 1999 and
the final Report and Order (99-412) was released in December
1999. Since WT Docket 05-235 is less complex than 98-143, I
doubt the review-and-decision period would be greater than a
half year on NPRM 05-143.

If there is any concession to the outraged ham morsemen, I would
predict that the Commission MIGHT keep the 5 WPM code test for
Amateur Extra class. I say MIGHT only in speculation. The
Commission is already on record of 15 years ago that it doesn't
think that radiotelegraphy skill is anything worthy for their
purpose in granting amateur radio licenses. However, the
Commission has conceded to the desires of the special interest
groups (such as the ARRL) in the past, so the final R&O will
say much about the influence of the ARRL on the Commission now.
If the Commission won't yield to morse testing for Extras, then
I'd say that the ARRL just doesn't have the clout it once had.

My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get
some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the
code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship
as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as
a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL.




[email protected] October 12th 05 11:42 PM

wrote:

My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get
some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the
code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship
as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as
a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL.


That's nice, Len.

But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate?

Does anyone check your work? You do make mistakes, Len. We've seen some
of them here. Like you claims about the legality of hams operating with
expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses, where you clearly didn't
understand what Part 97 actually says.

Is there a detailed breakdown of each commenter's response, such as was
done by KC8EPO back in 1999? A listing of duplicates removed and other
anomalies, with the criteria for each? Or do you expect us to just take
your word for the accuracy of the scorecard?

I suppose someone could go through all the comments and come up with
their own scorecard. But what good would it do if that scorecard
differed from yours? We all know how you'd react here.

Also, it's clear to anyone who reads your posts here that you're hardly
unbiased on the subject of code testing.

Indeed, you used the phrase "unbiased by local groups' opinions on
morsemanship as either vital or neccessary [sic] in amateur radio" as
if *others* scorecards are somehow biased - but not yours. You've
previously accused others of 'massaged numbers' and 'fraud' when their
data did not match yours, too.

So why should anyone *assume* the accuracy of your scorecard, Len? I'm
not saying you're intentionally cooking the books, but given your long
and varied track record here and elsewhere of mistakes,
misinterpretations of dissenting opinions and extremely negative,
attacking, denigrating responses to those who support either Morse Code
or Morse Code testing, it's a bit of a stretch to imagine *you* in the
role of unbiased reporter of those comments.

Besides, FCC doesn't have to go by majority opinion anyway. Back in
1999, the majority of commenters did *not* want the elimination of all
but 5 wpm code testing, but FCC did it anyway. (See WK3C's post of
KC8EPO's tabulation here. The majority of those commenting wanted at
least two code test speeds).


Bill Sohl October 13th 05 02:14 AM


wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:

My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get
some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the
code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship
as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as
a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL.


That's nice, Len.

But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate?


Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the
accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+
comments and give us a readout of your own analysis.

(SNIP)

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



Leo October 13th 05 02:40 AM

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:14:42 GMT, "Bill Sohl"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...
wrote:

My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get
some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the
code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship
as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as
a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL.


That's nice, Len.

But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate?


Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the
accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+
comments and give us a readout of your own analysis.


....or opine on how inaccurate it *may* be, without investing the time
and effort to substantiate your theory....... :)


(SNIP)

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


73, Leo

[email protected] October 13th 05 05:59 AM

From: Leo on Wed, Oct 12 2005 5:40 pm


wrote:
wrote in message
wrote:


My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get
some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the
code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship
as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as
a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL.


That's nice, Len.


But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate?


Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the
accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+
comments and give us a readout of your own analysis.


...or opine on how inaccurate it *may* be, without investing the time
and effort to substantiate your theory....... :)


There should be NO problem on ascertaining the accuracy of
anything where the entire contents are OUT IN THE OPEN for
ALL TO SEE. All that is left is to tally up the opinions
into the four categories I used...of all 2545 Comments filed
as of 11 October 2005, beginning with "comment" #1 on 15 July.
It's "easy." Just read every single Comment filed. :-)

"For accuracy" Jimmie MUST decide on what to do with the
duplicates (only two major offenders there, one FOR, one
Against the NPRM), what to do with the half dozen who are
Commenting on a totally different subject (not even amateur
radio), and generally try to decode what some of them are
trying to say (not always easy).

Those FOR, those Against the NPRM are fairly clear and un-
ambiguous. Should be an easy decision on just reading them.
For the "Extra Only" group it isn't that clear since those
generally add a lot of commentary that is NOT in the NPRM.

Larry Klose got a lot of static on his large, and more
complex analysis of WT Docket 98-143. That's still in the
ECFS database if anyone wants to look. I expected the same
on WT Docket 05-235 on NPRM 05-143.

Jimmie is getting draconian in his mistrust, dislike, and
general ****iness on those who won't agree with him that
morsemanship is the holy grail of amateurism. Screum.
JIMMIE CAN DO HIS OWN WORK on the stats if he is so shirty
about it...and SHOW IT. :-)




[email protected] October 13th 05 12:38 PM


wrote:

Also, it's clear to anyone who reads your posts here that you're hardly
unbiased on the subject of code testing.


Hi! And you show no bias? Hardy, hi, hi!


[email protected] October 14th 05 01:20 AM

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 12 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2556 583

Indeterminate (note 1) 161 51

Value for Percentages 2395 532

Against NPRM (note 2) 721 [30.10%] 166 [31.20%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1309 [54.66%] 275 [51.69%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 365 [15.24%] 91 [17.11%]

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates.

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