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Docket Scorecard
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 31 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2023 55 Indeterminate (note 1) 101 4 Value for Percentages 1922 51 Against NPRM (note 2) 561 [29.19%] 19 [37.25%] For NPRM (note 3) 1082 [56.30%] 28 [54.90%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 279 [14.52%] 4 [ 7.84%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentage figures are calculated Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 1 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2105 137 Indeterminate (note 1) 104 7 Value for Percentages 2001 130 Against NPRM (note 2) 587 [29.34%] 45 [34.62%] For NPRM (note 3) 1115 [55.72%] 61 [46.92%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 299 [14.94%] 24 [18.46%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 2 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2123 155 Indeterminate (note 1) 109 12 Value for Percentages 2014 143 Against NPRM (note 2) 587 [29.15%] 45 [31.47%] For NPRM (note 3) 1120 [55.61%] 66 [46.15%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 307 [15.24%] 32 [22.38%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 2 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1, corrected from previous 2 Sep post due to 11 filings added on 6 Sep 05 for 2 Sep 05. Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2134 166 Indeterminate (note 1) 115 12 Value for Percentages 2192 154 Against NPRM (note 2) 606 [29.18%] 46 [29.87%] For NPRM (note 3) 1153 [55.51%] 75 [48.70%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 318 [15.31%] 33 [21.43%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 6 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2210 240 Indeterminate (note 1) 127 15 Value for Percentages 2083 222 Against NPRM (note 2) 623 [29.91%] 70 [31.53%] For NPRM (note 3) 1143 [54.87%] 109 [49.10%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 317 [15.22%] 43 [19.37%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 7 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2221 251 Indeterminate (note 1) 129 20 Value for Percentages 2092 231 Against NPRM (note 2) 626 [29.92%] 73 [31.60%] For NPRM (note 3) 1148 [54.88%] 114 [49.35%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 318 [15.20%] 44 [19.05%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 8 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2233 263 Indeterminate (note 1) 131 22 Value for Percentages 2102 241 Against NPRM (note 2) 628 [29.88%] 75 [31.12%] For NPRM (note 3) 1153 [54.85%] 119 [49.38%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 321 [15.27%] 47 [19.50%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 9 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2243 273 Indeterminate (note 1) 132 23 Value for Percentages 2111 250 Against NPRM (note 2) 633 [29.99%] 80 [32.00%] For NPRM (note 3) 1155 [54.71%] 121 [48.40%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 323 [15.30%] 49 [19.60%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 9 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2246 276 Indeterminate (note 1) 132 23 Value for Percentages 2114 253 Against NPRM (note 2) 633 [29.94%] 80 [31.62%] For NPRM (note 3) 1158 [54.78%] 124 [49.01%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 323 [15.28%] 49 [19.37%] The FCC has not updated its ECFS for 12 Sep 05 as of 6 PM EDT on 12 Sep 05. This posting reflects three additional Comments added by them, one on 6 Sep 05 and two on 31 Aug. All three are "For." Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 12 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2277 307 Indeterminate (note 1) 132 25 Value for Percentages 2143 282 Against NPRM (note 2) 640 [29.86%] 87 [30.85%] For NPRM (note 3) 1176 [54.88%] 142 [50.35%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 327 [15.26%] 53 [18.79%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 13 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2288 318 Indeterminate (note 1) 134 25 Value for Percentages 2154 293 Against NPRM (note 2) 645 [29.94%] 92 [31.40%] For NPRM (note 3) 1180 [54.78%] 146 [49.83%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 329 [15.27%] 55 [18.77%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
I'm just not "in the know". Why would or would not the FCC consider all
comments, and what is an "FR Notice"? To be sure of being heard, can we repost what we posted prior to the FR Notice? Jim wrote in message ups.com... Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143: As of 13 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice |
RST Engineering wrote: I'm just not "in the know". Why would or would not the FCC consider all comments, and what is an "FR Notice"? To be sure of being heard, can we repost what we posted prior to the FR Notice? no one is truely in the know here. I would say you could resend just in case You might mention that the dates issue to sure Hopefully Len would move such a dub out of the sole previous to publishing stats, and you might add more to flesh out your remarks OTOH I believe the FCC will not realy discount any coment made before formal publication Jim wrote in message ups.com... Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143: As of 13 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice |
From: RST Engineering on Sep 14, 2:25 pm
I'm just not "in the know". Why would or would not the FCC consider all comments, and what is an "FR Notice"? To be sure of being heard, can we repost what we posted prior to the FR Notice? "FR Notice" is Federal Register Notice. All announcements, news, notices, laws enacted, etc., by any federal agency is printed in there...every working day by the Government Printing Office (GPO). If you look at the lower part of the Title of NPRM 05-143 you will see that the "Comment period begins when printed in the Federal Register" and then extends until N number of days after that notice. 60 days for Comments and 75 days for Replies to Comments. The first filed comment on WT Docket 05-235 appeared on 20 July. The NPRM itself was inserted by the FCC on 21 July but they moved it to 15 July the next day. You can see the time-stamp of the ECFS on the 15 July filing (which is larger in file size than the direct-downloadable NPRM PDF file version because it is a scanned paper image). The Notice on NPRM 05-143 did not appear in the Federal Register until 31 August. When it did, the Notice added the official cutoff date of Comments as 31 October with cutoff of Replies to Comments as 14 November. The period between 15 July and 31 August is roughly six weeks. So, for six weeks there's about 2000 Comments filed which were done BEFORE the Notice in the Federal Register. You are free to post anything you want in the ECFS. If the FCC doesn't like it for any reason, then they probably won't let it be on the ECFS. About half of the "Indeterminates" are so categorized because they go into some kind of argument/diatribe NOT directly attributable to the NPRM; the NPRM is ONLY about the elimination or retention of the code test. Some individuals have posted MORE than once such as surname Garcell with over 14 "For" Comments and surname Sparks with over 5 "Against" Comments. I don't know what the FCC will do with those. I put duplicates in the "Indeterminate" category because all I'm doing is getting some insight on the opinions of all those who Comment. So far, in the first two months of Comment, the number of filings exceed all of those posted on WT Docket 98-143 on Restructuring (roughly 10 months total from release of that NPRM and official - extended twice - cutoff date of 15 Jan 99). If elimination goes through as an R&O it will be of greater impact on the immediate future of United States amateur radio than did R&O 99-412 on restructuring. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 15 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2319 348 Indeterminate (note 1) 137 28 Value for Percentages 2182 320 Against NPRM (note 2) 653 [29.93%] 99 [30.94%] For NPRM (note 3) 1193 [54.67%] 159 [49.69%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 336 [15.40%] 62 [19.38%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 16 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2321 350 Indeterminate (note 1) 138 29 Value for Percentages 2183 321 Against NPRM (note 2) 653 [29.91%] 99 [30.84%] For NPRM (note 3) 1194 [54.70%] 160 [49.84%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 336 [15.39%] 62 [19.31%] The ECFS did not list any filings for 16 Sep 05 as of Noon EDT on 17 Sep 05. The above includes two added filings for 15 Sep 05. Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi
That gets you to the fill-form at the FCC for finding filings on dockets and for specific dates. You have only to put in "05-235" without the quotes in the upper left block and the dates (in the stated format) in the "from-to" blocks. You can also get there from the FCC home page through the general search block and follow the links to reach the same page. There's been over 2300 filings so far since 15 July 2005; happy reading! :-) |
I'll add that you can compare the filings on 98-143
("restructuring") with 05-235 by just entering "98-143" (without quote marks) in the upper left block. Leaving all the date blocks blank will return ALL filings on a given proceding. At the bottom of the Results display you can select numeric groups (100 per display at these numeric totals). |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 19 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2357 386 Indeterminate (note 1) 141 32 Value for Percentages 2216 350 Against NPRM (note 2) 670 [30.23%] 116 [32.77%] For NPRM (note 3) 1209 [54.56%] 175 [49.44%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 337 [15.21%] 63 [17.80%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 20 Sep 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2367 396 Indeterminate (note 1) 144 35 Value for Percentages 2223 361 Against NPRM (note 2) 672 [30.23%] 118 [32.69%] For NPRM (note 3) 1213 [54.57%] 179 [49.58%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 338 [15.20%] 64 [17.73%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by
submitter's name? I'd like to find mine and copy it directly into a new comment to make sure I'm on the record. Jim |
"RST Engineering" wrote Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by submitter's name? 1) Send your browser to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi 2) In block 1 identify the proceeding ( 05-235 ) 3) In block 4 enter "Jim Weir" 4) Click "Retrieve Document List" 73, de Hans, K0HB -- Homepage: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb Member: ARRL http://www.arrl.org SOC http://www.qsl.net/soc VWOA http://www.vwoa.org A-1 Operator Club http://www.arrl.org/awards/a1-op/ TCDXA http://www.tcdxa.org MWA http://www.w0aa.org TCFMC http://www.tcfmc.org FISTS http://www.fists.org LVDXA http://www.upstel.net/borken/lvdxa.htm NCI http://www.nocode.org |
From: K=D8=88B on Sep 20, 7:38 pm
"RST Engineering" wrote Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by submit= ter's name? 1) Send your browser to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi 2) In block 1 identify the proceeding ( 05-235 ) 3) In block 4 enter "Jim Weir" 4) Click "Retrieve Document List" Right on! [leave the date blocks blank] Search can also be done by surname only. [try Garcell for someone who got too anxious...repeatedly...or Sparks] |
Thanks. Now that I read the page carefully it is obvious how to make that
happen. Jim "KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... "RST Engineering" wrote Does anybody know how to search the FCC database for this NPRM by submitter's name? 1) Send your browser to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi 2) In block 1 identify the proceeding ( 05-235 ) 3) In block 4 enter "Jim Weir" 4) Click "Retrieve Document List" 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2530 557 Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48 Value for Percentages 2372 509 Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%] For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
wrote in message ups.com... : Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143: : : As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 : Elimination/Retention tabulation: : : ALL to Date Since FR Notice : -------------- --------------- : Grand Total 2530 557 : : Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48 : : Value for Percentages 2372 509 : : Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%] : For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%] : Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%] Quiteclose voting 55% against with retention any Morse test, 45% for retention of some level of Morse test. BGO -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
Gr=FCmw=EEtch th=EB =DCnfl=E3pp=E5bl=EA wrote: wrote in message ups.com... : Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143: : : As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 : Elimination/Retention tabulation: : : ALL to Date Since FR Notice : -------------- --------------- : Grand Total 2530 557 : : Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48 : : Value for Percentages 2372 509 : : Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%] : For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%] : Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%] Quiteclose voting 55% against with retention any Morse test, 45% for retention of some level of Morse test. but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes what will realy count is the total lack of valid any reason to keep code testing or the fialure of the Procoder to advance any new argument (even at this late date I beleive that the proCoders coming up with something NEW valid or not would stop the porcess for months) given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code testing BGO -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
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oups.com... Grümwîtch thë Ünflãppåblê wrote: wrote in message ups.com... : Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143: : : As of 10 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 : Elimination/Retention tabulation: : : ALL to Date Since FR Notice : -------------- --------------- : Grand Total 2530 557 : : Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48 : : Value for Percentages 2372 509 : : Against NPRM (note 2) 710 [29.93%] 155 [30.45%] : For NPRM (note 3) 1301 [54.85%] 267 [52.46%] : Test Extra Only (note 4) 361 [15.22%] 87 [17.09%] Quiteclose voting 55% against with retention any Morse test, 45% for retention of some level of Morse test. but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument (even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months) given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code testing. That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing with no ill effects after two years. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Bill Sohl wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... cut but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument (even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months) given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code testing. That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing with no ill effects after two years. not to put you on the spott but i'll try to put you on the spot do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that the FCC would wait and study awhile? Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... cut but close only counts with horseshoes hand granades and nukes what will really count is the total lack of any valid reason to keep code testing or the failure of the Procoders to advance any new argument (even at this late date I believe that the proCoders coming up with something NEW...valid or not would stop the process for months) given that I suspect the FCC will do as it is poised to do, end code testing. That pretty much sums things up quite well...especially since a number of nations have already abondoned all code testing with no ill effects after two years. not to put you on the spott but i'll try to put you on the spot do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that the FCC would wait and study awhile? IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree, no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc) no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced that points to any need for code knowledge. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 11 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2545 572 Indeterminate (note 1) 158 48 Value for Percentages 2387 524 Against NPRM (note 2) 719 [30.12%] 164 [31.30%] For NPRM (note 3) 1305 [54.67%] 271 [51.72%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 363 [15.21%] 89 [16.98%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
From: "Bill Sohl" on Wed 12 Oct 2005 14:25
"an old friend" wrote in message Bill Sohl wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message do you agree with my statement that a for a truly new arguement that the FCC would wait and study awhile? IF (big IF) some new compelling reason was identified to justify keeping code testing, then yes, I think the FCC might look deeper or perhaps rethink their proposal...BUT, as we both appear to agree, no such new and compelling reason(s) have been offered up by anyone. Even after several major widespread emergencies (Katrina, etc) no additional arguments or even anecdotal evidence has surfaced that points to any need for code knowledge. I personally doubt that the FCC will do any more than review the 2600 Comments expected to be received by the end of the Comment period at the end of October (as of the 11th of October the count of Comments was 2545 total). Right now there are more Comments than the more than half-year period of WT Docket 98-143 on Restructuring. That ended in mid-January 1999 and the final Report and Order (99-412) was released in December 1999. Since WT Docket 05-235 is less complex than 98-143, I doubt the review-and-decision period would be greater than a half year on NPRM 05-143. If there is any concession to the outraged ham morsemen, I would predict that the Commission MIGHT keep the 5 WPM code test for Amateur Extra class. I say MIGHT only in speculation. The Commission is already on record of 15 years ago that it doesn't think that radiotelegraphy skill is anything worthy for their purpose in granting amateur radio licenses. However, the Commission has conceded to the desires of the special interest groups (such as the ARRL) in the past, so the final R&O will say much about the influence of the ARRL on the Commission now. If the Commission won't yield to morse testing for Extras, then I'd say that the ARRL just doesn't have the clout it once had. My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. |
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. That's nice, Len. But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate? Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+ comments and give us a readout of your own analysis. (SNIP) Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:14:42 GMT, "Bill Sohl"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... wrote: My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. That's nice, Len. But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate? Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+ comments and give us a readout of your own analysis. ....or opine on how inaccurate it *may* be, without investing the time and effort to substantiate your theory....... :) (SNIP) Cheers, Bill K2UNK 73, Leo |
From: Leo on Wed, Oct 12 2005 5:40 pm
wrote: wrote in message wrote: My purpose of the continually-running "scorecard" is just to get some visibility into the "amateur community's" opinions on the code test...unbiased by local groups' opinions on morsemanship as either vital or neccessary in amateur radio. Think of it as a poll of opinions by those that care to Comment, visible to ALL. That's nice, Len. But with all due respect, how do we know your scorecard is accurate? Because he sez it is. Jim, in all honesty, if you doubt the accuracy of Len's reports, please go thru the 2500+ comments and give us a readout of your own analysis. ...or opine on how inaccurate it *may* be, without investing the time and effort to substantiate your theory....... :) There should be NO problem on ascertaining the accuracy of anything where the entire contents are OUT IN THE OPEN for ALL TO SEE. All that is left is to tally up the opinions into the four categories I used...of all 2545 Comments filed as of 11 October 2005, beginning with "comment" #1 on 15 July. It's "easy." Just read every single Comment filed. :-) "For accuracy" Jimmie MUST decide on what to do with the duplicates (only two major offenders there, one FOR, one Against the NPRM), what to do with the half dozen who are Commenting on a totally different subject (not even amateur radio), and generally try to decode what some of them are trying to say (not always easy). Those FOR, those Against the NPRM are fairly clear and un- ambiguous. Should be an easy decision on just reading them. For the "Extra Only" group it isn't that clear since those generally add a lot of commentary that is NOT in the NPRM. Larry Klose got a lot of static on his large, and more complex analysis of WT Docket 98-143. That's still in the ECFS database if anyone wants to look. I expected the same on WT Docket 05-235 on NPRM 05-143. Jimmie is getting draconian in his mistrust, dislike, and general ****iness on those who won't agree with him that morsemanship is the holy grail of amateurism. Screum. JIMMIE CAN DO HIS OWN WORK on the stats if he is so shirty about it...and SHOW IT. :-) |
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Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:
As of 12 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention tabulation: ALL to Date Since FR Notice -------------- --------------- Grand Total 2556 583 Indeterminate (note 1) 161 51 Value for Percentages 2395 532 Against NPRM (note 2) 721 [30.10%] 166 [31.20%] For NPRM (note 3) 1309 [54.66%] 275 [51.69%] Test Extra Only (note 4) 365 [15.24%] 91 [17.11%] Notes: Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard. It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here. Fixed-font spacing used throughout. 1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke" or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission, and six who were commenting on another matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations. 2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST the NPRM and against dropping any code testing. 3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself (first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for." 4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept eliminating the code test for other classes. Percentages are calculated from Grand Total less Indeterminates. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made, like it or not. |
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