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I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the
Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I attempted to find out how many stations I could contact and the extent of my operating range during the test. From my numerous calls I was able to contact NO ONE! Not one person responded to my Field Day calls throughout the day and I heard NO ONE calling Field Day! Not one Ham could I find operating Field Day on the two meter National Simplex Calling Frequency! Yet to my surprise, I was able to consistently 'key-up' repeaters from Jacksonville to Palm Bay---approximately 2/3's the length of the state of Florida. And to consider, this is an amateur service simulated emergency test in Florida occurring only 10 months after the destruction of Charley, Frances, and Jeanne. It made me wonder just how interested Hams are in emergency communications. I did have a nice conversation with a fellow 100 miles away via his repeater. With regard to the Alaskan Emergency Frequency of 5167.5 kHz. As the FCC recently granted amateurs five channels in the HF (60 meter) band: 5332, 5348, 5368, 5373, and 5405 kHz, it would seem to me that the ARRL would have taken an interest and evaluate those frequencies for channelized emergency operations. The frequencies between the 75 and 40 meters bands might offer propagation characteristics of both bands and make those channels particularly useful for short and long haul message handling. Furthermore, the Alaskan Emergency Frequency channel might be added to the new assignment for emergency use in the lower 48. Ideally, the 60 meter amateur band might become an important part of an emergency response provided by the amateur service. But, I just don't see any interest by the ARRL and those frequencies, every time I check them, remain unused. A citation from the ARRL's Petition for Rule Making to the FCC concluded, in part, "An Amateur Allocation in this band (60 meters) would improve the Amateur Service's already exemplary record of providing emergency communications during natural disasters when even modern communications systems typically fail." Perhaps the ARRL may take a break from their publishing activities someday and investigate its possibilities. Additionally, its odd about the amateur service that proclaims itself to be devoted to emergency service but dropped its distress frequencies. Until the 1960's the ARRL had specific calling frequencies reserved for distress and safety in the HF bands for radiotelephone and radiotelegraphy. These frequencies were regularly printed in its journal 'QST'. I haven't found out why the ARRL dropped them. Its beyon my comprehension that a communications service, world wide in extent, that doesn't assign frequencies, routinely monitored, for distress signaling and calling. Similarly, some years ago, a manufacturer hardly wanted to discuss the necessary modifications of my transceiver so I could access the, FCC authorized, 5167.5 kHz amateur service Alaskan Emergency Frequency. It was only through the force of my professional credentials did they finally agree and sent me the service note I required. I like to point out that until recently, as far as I know, Yaesu, (FT-857 and FT-817 for example) is the first amateur equipment manufacturer to provide amateur equipment capable of accessing the Alaskan Emergency Frequency without equipment modification. If the amateur service is so concerned with emergency communications why did it take so long for this to occur? After nearly forty years as an amateur radio operator, these are some of the issues that make me reconsider the utility of the amateur service as an emergency communications provider . Although the amateur service has played a significant role in handling emergency communications in the past, the changing face of technology has relegated the amateur service to a position of little consequence---possibility, with better leadership, the amateur service can regain its former stature. I sincerely think, that with the devastation of Charley, Frances and Jeanne last year, and Katrina this year, the ARRL really needs to get off their ass and come up with a serious emergency communications plan. I suspect that the ARRL is a 'has been' organization and a new vision for amateur radio (emergency communications) needs to take their place. |
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![]() "TOM" wrote in message ... I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I ok, so you don't know about the modern field day. today field day is not about emergency communications, its a time to get out in the woods, drink some beers, tell war stories, and maybe make some contacts... since vhf isn't a place to make lots of contacts most field day operations are on hf. As the FCC recently granted amateurs five channels in the HF (60 meter) band: 5332, 5348, 5368, 5373, and 5405 kHz every time I check them, remain unused. ok, so you aren't checking them at the right time. they are used, though lightly since many radios need modifications, lots of people don't have antennas for them, and the channelized requirements are rather odd so lots of people aren't really interested in them... especially since there are no operating events, contests, awards, or other reason to be there if you aren't interested in propagation exploration. A citation from the ARRL's Petition for Rule Making to the FCC concluded, in part, "An Amateur Allocation in this band (60 meters) would improve the Amateur Service's already exemplary record of providing emergency yeah, yeah, what else did you expect them to say? thats probably boilerplate they put on every memo they send to washington or gettysburg. Additionally, its odd about the amateur service that proclaims itself to be devoted to emergency service but dropped its distress frequencies. Until this might be nice to have, but then again there are so many frequencies claimed by so many different nets and organizations that finding some place to do this would be a real pain. then it would end up being a constant battle between those who want to keep it clear and those who want to use any clear frequency they can find. emergency frequencies are easily proclaimed for short periods by the fcc and as seen in recent hurricane operations they are relatively well respected world wide and very well utilized. out why the ARRL dropped them. Its beyon my comprehension that a communications service, world wide in extent, that doesn't assign frequencies, the arrl is not a communications service. they are a membership body, if the members aren't interested it won't get done. world wide allocation of frequencies would have to be done via the iaru and then would only have the force of a recommendation on each of the member countries since each one has its own regulatory body like the fcc who may or maynot add the force of law to such recommendations. transceiver so I could access the, FCC authorized, 5167.5 kHz amateur service Alaskan Emergency Frequency. It was only through the force of my i thought you were in florida? anyway, mods for most radios can be found easily on-line these days. and for radios like the ft-1000mp its just a matter of pressing a few secret button combinations and you can transmit anywhere, right out of the box you could receive anywhere anyway so you could monitor those frequencies. Although the amateur service has played a significant role in handling emergency communications in the past, the changing face of technology has relegated the amateur service to a position of little consequence---possibility, with better leadership, the amateur service can regain its former stature. then why are they now recruiting for relief operators to go in to the katrina and rita areas to continue operating with fema and other agencies? if we were of so little use why do they still want our help? and apparently will want it for a while yet in just that area?? I sincerely think, that with the devastation of Charley, Frances and Jeanne last year, and Katrina this year, the ARRL really needs to get off their ass and come up with a serious emergency communications plan. have you talked to your section emergency coordinator recently, that is the starting place? he/she should be able to provide you with the local plans and links to training courses and all the other stuff you want to know. |
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![]() Dave wrote in message news ![]() "TOM" wrote in message ... I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I ok, so you don't know about the modern field day. today field day is not about emergency communications, its a time to get out in the woods, drink some beers, tell war stories, and maybe make some contacts... since vhf isn't a place to make lots of contacts most field day operations are on hf. yea... your are right---poor leadership and vision. The simulated emergency is not a simulated emergency test but more of a sales opportunity for ARRL pins and tee-shirts. HOW ABOUT AN FD IN WINTER? As the FCC recently granted amateurs five channels in the HF (60 meter) band: 5332, 5348, 5368, 5373, and 5405 kHz every time I check them, remain unused. ok, so you aren't checking them at the right time. they are used, though lightly since many radios need modifications, lots of people don't have antennas for them, and the channelized requirements are rather odd so lots of people aren't really interested in them... especially since there are no operating events, contests, awards, or other reason to be there if you aren't interested in propagation exploration. A citation from the ARRL's Petition for Rule Making to the FCC concluded, in part, "An Amateur Allocation in this band (60 meters) would improve the Amateur Service's already exemplary record of providing emergency yeah, yeah, what else did you expect them to say? thats probably boilerplate they put on every memo they send to washington or gettysburg. Yea... that's why I provided the cite Additionally, its odd about the amateur service that proclaims itself to be devoted to emergency service but dropped its distress frequencies. Until this might be nice to have, but then again there are so many frequencies claimed by so many different nets and organizations that finding some place to do this would be a real pain. then it would end up being a constant battle between those who want to keep it clear and those who want to use any clear frequency they can find. emergency frequencies are easily proclaimed for short periods by the fcc and as seen in recent hurricane operations they are relatively well respected world wide and very well utilized. yea... a screwed up mess---amateur radio. If I needed to pass distress I'd go military/commercial instead of trying to convince a bunch of knob twisters that I am legit traffic. out why the ARRL dropped them. Its beyon my comprehension that a communications service, world wide in extent, that doesn't assign frequencies, the arrl is not a communications service. they are a membership body, if the members aren't interested it won't get done. world wide allocation of frequencies would have to be done via the iaru and then would only have the force of a recommendation on each of the member countries since each one has its own regulatory body like the fcc who may or maynot add the force of law to such recommendations. yea... how many decades of proclaimed emergency service---CFR Title 47, Part 97 Amateur Radio Service transceiver so I could access the, FCC authorized, 5167.5 kHz amateur service Alaskan Emergency Frequency. It was only through the force of my i thought you were in florida? anyway, mods for most radios can be found easily on-line these days. and for radios like the ft-1000mp its just a matter of pressing a few secret button combinations and you can transmit anywhere, right out of the box you could receive anywhere anyway so you could monitor those frequencies. yea... besides hobby lobby radio I worked global communications for numerous military/commercial telecommunications circuits at locations thoughout the world. Yea... no internet back then, picked up new rig and headed overseas---needed info not BS. Although the amateur service has played a significant role in handling emergency communications in the past, the changing face of technology has relegated the amateur service to a position of little consequence---possibility, with better leadership, the amateur service can regain its former stature. then why are they now recruiting for relief operators to go in to the katrina and rita areas to continue operating with fema and other agencies? if we were of so little use why do they still want our help? and apparently will want it for a while yet in just that area?? yea... last I heard FEMA was phasing them out and besides, what took the ARRL so long to respond (many comments). Furthermore, what was the state of affairs of comms in NO---hams said practically everything was down. I sincerely think, that with the devastation of Charley, Frances and Jeanne last year, and Katrina this year, the ARRL really needs to get off their ass and come up with a serious emergency communications plan. have you talked to your section emergency coordinator recently, that is the starting place? he/she should be able to provide you with the local plans and links to training courses and all the other stuff you want to know. I'm trying to raise and interest outside of 'normal' channels---SEC's haven't shown any initiative---can't get out of their wheelchairs. Isn't this a poor way of responding to a post? Thanks Dave for your comments though. |
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![]() "TOM" wrote in message ... Dave wrote in message news ![]() "TOM" wrote in message ... I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I ok, so you don't know about the modern field day. today field day is not about emergency communications, its a time to get out in the woods, drink some beers, tell war stories, and maybe make some contacts... since vhf isn't a place to make lots of contacts most field day operations are on hf. yea... your are right---poor leadership and vision. The simulated emergency is not a simulated emergency test but more of a sales opportunity for ARRL pins and tee-shirts. HOW ABOUT AN FD IN WINTER? As the FCC recently granted amateurs five channels in the HF (60 meter) band: 5332, 5348, 5368, 5373, and 5405 kHz every time I check them, remain unused. ok, so you aren't checking them at the right time. they are used, though lightly since many radios need modifications, lots of people don't have antennas for them, and the channelized requirements are rather odd so lots of people aren't really interested in them... especially since there are no operating events, contests, awards, or other reason to be there if you aren't interested in propagation exploration. A citation from the ARRL's Petition for Rule Making to the FCC concluded, in part, "An Amateur Allocation in this band (60 meters) would improve the Amateur Service's already exemplary record of providing emergency yeah, yeah, what else did you expect them to say? thats probably boilerplate they put on every memo they send to washington or gettysburg. Yea... that's why I provided the cite Additionally, its odd about the amateur service that proclaims itself to be devoted to emergency service but dropped its distress frequencies. Until this might be nice to have, but then again there are so many frequencies claimed by so many different nets and organizations that finding some place to do this would be a real pain. then it would end up being a constant battle between those who want to keep it clear and those who want to use any clear frequency they can find. emergency frequencies are easily proclaimed for short periods by the fcc and as seen in recent hurricane operations they are relatively well respected world wide and very well utilized. yea... a screwed up mess---amateur radio. If I needed to pass distress I'd go military/commercial instead of trying to convince a bunch of knob twisters that I am legit traffic. out why the ARRL dropped them. Its beyon my comprehension that a communications service, world wide in extent, that doesn't assign frequencies, the arrl is not a communications service. they are a membership body, if the members aren't interested it won't get done. world wide allocation of frequencies would have to be done via the iaru and then would only have the force of a recommendation on each of the member countries since each one has its own regulatory body like the fcc who may or maynot add the force of law to such recommendations. yea... how many decades of proclaimed emergency service---CFR Title 47, Part 97 Amateur Radio Service transceiver so I could access the, FCC authorized, 5167.5 kHz amateur service Alaskan Emergency Frequency. It was only through the force of my i thought you were in florida? anyway, mods for most radios can be found easily on-line these days. and for radios like the ft-1000mp its just a matter of pressing a few secret button combinations and you can transmit anywhere, right out of the box you could receive anywhere anyway so you could monitor those frequencies. yea... besides hobby lobby radio I worked global communications for numerous military/commercial telecommunications circuits at locations thoughout the world. Yea... no internet back then, picked up new rig and headed overseas---needed info not BS. Although the amateur service has played a significant role in handling emergency communications in the past, the changing face of technology has relegated the amateur service to a position of little consequence---possibility, with better leadership, the amateur service can regain its former stature. then why are they now recruiting for relief operators to go in to the katrina and rita areas to continue operating with fema and other agencies? if we were of so little use why do they still want our help? and apparently will want it for a while yet in just that area?? yea... last I heard FEMA was phasing them out and besides, what took the ARRL so long to respond (many comments). Furthermore, what was the state of affairs of comms in NO---hams said practically everything was down. I sincerely think, that with the devastation of Charley, Frances and Jeanne last year, and Katrina this year, the ARRL really needs to get off their ass and come up with a serious emergency communications plan. have you talked to your section emergency coordinator recently, that is the starting place? he/she should be able to provide you with the local plans and links to training courses and all the other stuff you want to know. I'm trying to raise and interest outside of 'normal' channels---SEC's haven't shown any initiative---can't get out of their wheelchairs. there is nothing outside of 'normal' channels. and about all you are going to get for posting those comments in here are 2 things... more 'amen' messages from arm chair complainers like you, or 'get bent' messages from others. like it or not the arrl is as close are you are going to get to a nationwide organization that could do anything about what you are complaining about. if your sec can't do the job, then find their boss and convince them that you can do a better job... don't think their boss works, then try to take their job. you obviously have the experience, so get in there and do it. Isn't this a poor way of responding to a post? Thanks Dave for your comments though. which other response would you like... a hollow 'amen' that does nothing, or a nasty 'get bent' that just stirs the pot with the same result? |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:20:03 +0000, TOM wrote:
I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I attempted to find out how many stations I could contact and the extent of my operating range during the test. From my numerous calls I was able to contact NO ONE! Not one person responded to my Field Day calls throughout the day and I heard NO ONE calling Field Day! Not one Ham could I find operating Field Day on the two meter National Simplex Calling Frequency! Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not, However if you had gone to 2M SSB you would of had better luck. In North Texas we usually work just over 100 stations on 2 quite a few more on 6m. In fact 6m was open most of field day and we worked most of the USA that day. Over all the years going to field day I can only remember working 1 station on 146.52 on field day and that was a accident as we were using it as a local calling channel and happened to hear another Field Day group doing the same thing some 300 miles away. -- Korbin Dallas The name was changed to protect the guilty. |
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![]() Korbin Dallas wrote in message news ![]() On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:20:03 +0000, TOM wrote: I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I attempted to find out how many stations I could contact and the extent of my operating range during the test. From my numerous calls I was able to contact NO ONE! Not one person responded to my Field Day calls throughout the day and I heard NO ONE calling Field Day! Not one Ham could I find operating Field Day on the two meter National Simplex Calling Frequency! Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not, However if you had gone to 2M SSB you would of had better luck. In North Texas we usually work just over 100 stations on 2 quite a few more on 6m. In fact 6m was open most of field day and we worked most of the USA that day. Over all the years going to field day I can only remember working 1 station on 146.52 on field day and that was a accident as we were using it as a local calling channel and happened to hear another Field Day group doing the same thing some 300 miles away. -- Korbin Dallas The name was changed to protect the guilty. Howdy Korbin: Back decades ago it was not uncommon to operate FD on 2 meters---only simplex exchanges are allowed (we let the novice operators use the club call). Of course, back in the 1970's and 80's there was much more 2 meter activity than now. I couldn't think of a better frequency that the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' to make my FD calls on. As you suggest, 2 meter SSB might have proven better but I was interested in common FM (base/portable/mobile) operation. From the ARRL website: [snip] Field Day 2005 Rules 2. Object: To work as many stations as possible on any and all amateur bands (excluding the 60, 30, 17, and 12-meter bands) and in doing so to learn to operate in abnormal situations in less than optimal conditions. A premium is placed on developing skills to meet the challenges of emergency preparedness as well as to acquaint the general public with the capabilities of Amateur Radio. [snip] |
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![]() "Korbin Dallas" wrote in message news ![]() On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:20:03 +0000, TOM wrote: I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I attempted to find out how many stations I could contact and the extent of my operating range during the test. From my numerous calls I was able to contact NO ONE! Not one person responded to my Field Day calls throughout the day and I heard NO ONE calling Field Day! Not one Ham could I find operating Field Day on the two meter National Simplex Calling Frequency! Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not, FM is not good for long distance or weak signal work most of the time. SSB and CW beat it hands down. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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![]() Korbin Dallas wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:20:03 +0000, TOM wrote: I thought I might share a couple of observations I've made regarding the Amateur Service; the situation in other locations may differ. Based upon my adventures last year in Florida when we got pounded by three hurricanes I was interested in finding out the utility of my Ham two meter transceiver by taking advantage of Field Day (simulated emergency test) in June. I raised a collinear with an advertised gain of 7 dB to thirty feet and powered my transceiver with a deep cycle battery. Operating on the 'National Simplex Calling Frequency' 146.52 MHz with 75 watts output power I attempted to find out how many stations I could contact and the extent of my operating range during the test. From my numerous calls I was able to contact NO ONE! Not one person responded to my Field Day calls throughout the day and I heard NO ONE calling Field Day! Not one Ham could I find operating Field Day on the two meter National Simplex Calling Frequency! Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not, not entirely accurate given the properties of it isn't very prodcutive however at any great range but using them and the number of FM units out there they should be tried more than they are, if Field Day is realy any kind of emergancy drill, indeed the club here I was the first person in years to 6m SSB let alone any FM work |
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Korbin posted:
"Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not." First, likely I missed in in the original post, but I don't recall him mentioning the use of FM modulation. In every field day and emergency preparedness I have ever participated in, a.m was the accepted standard. Second, the use of a 75-watt transmitter with a collinear raised 30-feet above the ground on field day? Evidently TOM doesn't grasp the spirit of the event which combines with the fact that he isn't a very experienced ham operator. Then too, the ham community has eroded considerably since these exercises were devised. In fact, a competent ham should have been nearly able to work multiple states with the rig he has described. Anybody left alive here that remembers the 2M Gooney Box, the rig that was the standard for ham emergency communication for more years than I personally care to remember? Its final was a 2E26; Its antenna was typically a quarter-wave stub (a piece of stiff wire poked into the UHF connector on the top of its box or an antenna consisting of a half-wave piece of tv twin line. Its output was anywhere from 5-watts to 10-watts run into that improvised antenna. When battery powered on field day, the output of the rig was arguably between 3 and 5-watts. Still on field day exercises conducted in preparation for an emergency, even the low power rigs with a minimal antenna could garnish at least 50 contact on field day, but this was during the 1970s. Ham radio has seriously declined since that time. This is why I ceased to renew my K2JEZ General Class license around 1982. Read into my above comments what ever you want. Harry C. |
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