Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

Dee Flint wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Dee Flint" wrote

One of the elements is self training and technical knowlegde. You
encourage that by using increased privileges (spectrum and power) to get
people to study and take
additional tests.

If it were working, it would be evident on the air. But I'll encourage
you to try a little practical experiment to see if you can detect the
results in the real world.

You'll need the following materials for the experiment:

1. A reasonable sensitive receiver, hooked to a working antenna.
2. A blindfold.
3. A set of earphones.
4. No extreme hearing impairments.
5. A comfortable chair.

Seat your self at the receiver, and tune it to the TOP of a popular band
with good propagation to the USA, probably 40 or 75 meters. Don the
earphones and plug them in. Set the receiver RF gain full open and theAF
gain at a comfortable level.

Now place your blindfold over your eyes.

Slowly tune the receiver down the band. If incentive licensing is
working, when you cross over the General/Advanced boundary and again when
you cross the Advanced/Extra boundary, you should detect a noticeable
increase in the "training and technical knowlege" of the operators because
of better/cleaner signals, more sophisticated technical discussions, and
other evidence of better training and technical knowlege. If your ear
does NOT detect this sort of evidence as you tune across those boundaries,
then you can conclude (as I have) that incentive licensing is an abject
failure.

73, de Hans, K0HB

As Jim has already so ably answered, you cannot tell that sort of thing at
all. There is no way to tell whether that signal is better/cleaner since
propagation variables can impact signal quality too. There is no way to
tell if a better signal is due to better knowledge or that the particular
ham chooses to have his equipment maintained by a third party.

So the FCC shouldn't bother listening to the bands either since they
can't tell if a transmitter is having a problem or not. (wink!)

I would
expect less sophisticated discussions in the Advanced/Extra portions simply
because the Generals may be more apt to be seeking knowledge where the
Extras may be inclined to relax.

There is nothing relaxing about retelling goiter and gall bladder
stories.

Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

Where's the beef?
 

Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

From: Dee Flint on Dec 15, 3:21 pm


"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
"K؈B" wrote in message
"Dee Flint" wrote



I would expect better OPERATING skills, a higher quality of language
behavior and perhaps more technical discussions...but forget even the
technical discussions....the behavior and operating skill differences
are just not there.

Why would you expect a higher quality of language behavior?

Why would you NOT? Isn't the extra the "highest class?" :-)

All amateurs
are required to know and adhere to the same rules regardless of license.

Ah, but DO they? :-)

That's not evident in here. :-)

Language behavior is covered on the Technician test.

Which "everyone" took, right? :-)

People with a talent for code will tend to be better than the typical
operator regardless of license.

Of COURSE they are! Ask any morseperson...they will ALL say
the same thing!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What everyone overlooks is that the test is merely the basic required book
knowledge expected for each level.

"Book knowledge?!?"

The FCC has NEVER been chartered as an academic institution.

Experience is not tested for. The
person who goes straight to Extra will have no more experience and no more
operating skills than anyone else.

WHAT?!? NO EXPERIENCE TESTED?!? How can that be?!?

Tsk, anyone passing the Extra "right out of the box" will have
ALL the privileges, ALL the status, ALL the title as any other
Extra, experience or no.

However, he/she starts with more book knowledge as a platform to build on.

"Book knowledge" again. Is amateur radio the ONLY place to
acquire "radio knowledge?"

But anyone can choose to gain the same knowledge. They do not have to
wait until they are studying for a new license.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. YOu are contradicting OTHER extras in here who
have insisted that one MUST get an amateur radio license
BEFORE getting any commercial license!!!

Plus every amateur is free to pursue improving their skills. The license is
a starting point not a stopping point.

Gosh...I thought it was a GRANT from the Commission to transmit
RF energy on the ham frequencies. Sort of like a hunting or
fishing license allows one to hunt or fish in designated areas.

Aren't "radiosport" contests all about hunting for contact
areas and fishing fishing for radio contacts? :-)


Actually the place that I see the difference in operating skills is on the
VHF bands in the VHF contests. When I review my contacts in those contests,
the large majority of them are Extra class operators. They seem to be the
ones to have the skill necessary to put together and operate a station
suitable to make long distance VHF contacts and the skill to do so.

Wow! Someone should have TOLD the U.S. Army Signal Corps folks
at Evans Signal Laboratory in 1946 when they were the first to
bounce a radio signal off the moon!

Yeah, they should have told the Signal Corps "how to do it" in
Korea in the 1950s when they set out all that VHF radio relay
equipment in the hills and valleys there.

Where WAS the ARRL when all that was going on? They didn't tell
the Signal Corps much of anything...

Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

From: on Dec 15, 4:42 pm


There is nothing relaxing about retelling goiter and gall bladder
stories.

Who knows, it might be to an Internist MD. :-)

Besides, don't "goiter and gall bladder stories" involve OPERATING?

Hi hi.

Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

From: on Thurs, Dec 15 2005 5:10 pm



What it does is to make you look like an out-of-control three-year-old
who's badly in need of a time-out.

Jimmie boy, go play with your radio toys and quit antagonizing
the grown-ups here. YOU do not do a good impersonation of an
adult.

Do your folks have a sitter for you on Saturday night?

Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

wrote:
From: on Dec 15, 4:42 pm


There is nothing relaxing about retelling goiter and gall bladder
stories.

Who knows, it might be to an Internist MD. :-)

Besides, don't "goiter and gall bladder stories" involve OPERATING?

that depnds in the past it cetainly did but my own gall stones were
dealtwith by some kind of ultra sonics and then flushed out no break in
the skin at all

operating on gall stone geting kida like CW it is less and less of an
operational matter

Hi hi.

Where's the beef?
 

wrote:
wrote:

At one time I noted that most of the violations were awarded to the
higher class licensees.

But was that really true?

Did you provide any statistics, or did it just seem that way to you?

It's really true that I noted that. If you have unsupervised numbers
to contradict me, you 're welcome to post them. This is America, after
all.

I don't know if that was an artifact of the
FCC picking on them because they should know better, or if it had to do
with the kind of attitudes of so many of the Extra's display on RRAP
carrying over the the bands.

Fun fact: The $42,000 fines for ex-KG6IRO have been upheld. When you
read what the guy did, it's pretty awful.

KG6? From Guam?

Guess what class of license he held. And how old he is.

Ex-KG6IRO held no license (kind of the reason you had to say "ex").

That was part of the problem.

How old he is? Is there an age limit on hams?

Where's the beef?
 

Reasonable and unique, was One Class of Amateur Radio License?
 

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:44:08 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :

snip
You are to amateur radio
as a grand piano to a NASCAR race.

You might need to rent a few extra brain cells to understand this...

Where do you rent yours?

...but I think you just paid Len a compliment.

You think wrong. Len is as unnecessary and irrelevant to amateur radio
as the piano would be to the NASCAR race.

He is the golf club at a baseball game.
He is the knife at a gunfight.
He is the ******* child at the family reunion.

Does that clear it up for you?

Dave K8MN