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From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am
On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm wrote: Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic" all the time. You have a point, Leonard. One example would be your involvement in amateur radio. CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######? Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed "involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed community. There are only the close-minded individuals in amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio. Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc: You don't need a license to build a receiver. ...nor build a transmitter. You don't need a license to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur. By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur. That's very important to Heil. He has specified as well as defined and his word is paramount. :-) Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license. Nor did I for the vast majority of DoD contract work I did. DoD contracts on RF emission generally do NOT require any contractee or employees to hold any civilian radio operator license. The DoD contract terms were very specific and many, many references to MIL STDs and other documents. None had any mention of "amateur radio licensing." Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in Part 15. But ONLY INSIDE the allocated radio amateur bands and then ONLY using the allocated modes/modulations for amateurs. The minute those amateur radio licensees operate OUTSIDE those ham bands/frequencies, they are ILLEGAL unless they have OTHER radio operator licenses such as Commercial or MARS. Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done -WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize this little factoid the better. Sorry, Frank, but those "sooper-dooper hambos" have their FIXATION on their "federally-authorized status" as "official" amateur radio operators with licenses. Very important self- definition of their "officialdom." Rather than enjoy the "magic" of radio communications, those "sooper-dooper hambos" would rather make themselves into some guild-craft-union "authorized" "qualified" "federally licensed" super-beings-of-radio who think they have the "power" to talk down to "lesser" humans by virtue of their federally-authorized license grant. A further sign of that is the constant use of "official" as a word to denote "what hams do, use (in jargon, forms from the ARRL such as "radiogram" forms, and definitions as made by the ARRL). There is only ONE way to "do" amateur radio and that is by the traditionally-established methods, terminology, abbreviations (as used on "CW"). Amateur radio to them is MUCH MORE than a hobby, a recreation done for personal enjoyment, a non-pecuniary-compensation activity. It is a LIFESTYLE and the raison d'etre of their apparent being. shrug We must all DO as they do, THINK as they think, PERFORM to their levels of achievement, or we are the subject of countless demeanings, denigrations for not being as superb as they. shrug |
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![]() Frankie of Silliland wrote: On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frankie of Silliland wrote: On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country... Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by..... Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers... Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY... Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks for several -decades-; regardless..... Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation. NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15 power levels. http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm Interesting site. I also note that it's over 5 years old and without updates since. The Twin Towers were still standing when that site was last touched by the "owner". Another interesting point is that the site does NOT mention YOU. And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is -much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Eighty miles, eh...?!?! I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (un)impressed. Steve, K4YZ |
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On 26 Jan 2006 01:07:07 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote: On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frankie of Silliland wrote: On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country... Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by..... Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers... Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY... Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks for several -decades-; regardless..... Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation. NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15 power levels. why ? _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 26 Jan 2006 01:07:07 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
om: Frankie of Silliland wrote: On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in .com: Frankie of Silliland wrote: On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in .com: SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country... Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by..... Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers... Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY... Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks for several -decades-; regardless..... Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation. NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15 power levels. Show me where I made such a claim. http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm Interesting site. I also note that it's over 5 years old and without updates since. The Twin Towers were still standing when that site was last touched by the "owner". Did something happen in the last five years to change the luminiferous ether so that it will no longer propogate LW radio signals? Another interesting point is that the site does NOT mention YOU. Why should it? I don't run a beacon. And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is -much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Eighty miles, eh...?!?! I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (un)impressed. That's because you are an idiot. Steve "Yellow Dog" Robeson, K4YZ Who's your lawyer, Dud? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et: wrote: From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm wrote: Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic" all the time. You have a point, Leonard. One example would be your involvement in amateur radio. CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######? Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed "involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed community. There are only the close-minded individuals in amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio. Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc: You don't need a license to build a receiver. ...nor build a transmitter. You don't need a license to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur. By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur. Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a radio amateur, you must pass required exams. Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams. To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the hobby. Check this out: amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay. 2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs. I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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![]() Frankie of Silliland wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote in et: Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a radio amateur, you must pass required exams. Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams. To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the hobby. Check this out: amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay. 2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs. I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you? Nice try at wordsmithing. Of course Frankie is "all about" trying to "be" things without going the full measure to "be" those things...Here he's trying to be a "radio amateur" without REALLY being a Radio Amateur. He tried being a United States Marine without doing all the things that are required of a Marine, and subsequently got sent home. Seems there's a pattern here. In the United States (and indeed in the English speaking world) a Radio Amateur is a person who has passed a set of examinations that results in the issuance of a Radio Amateur station and/or operator license by the applicant's government. Frankie doesn't have one of those. Neither does Lennie. Neither of them are Radio Amateurs. They haven't got what it takes. Steve, K4YZ |
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![]() K4YZ wrote: Frankie of Silliland wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote in et: Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a radio amateur, you must pass required exams. Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams. To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the hobby. Check this out: amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay. 2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs. I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you? Nice try at wordsmithing. and you avoid the issue again |
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On 30 Jan 2006 06:47:39 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote in et: Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a radio amateur, you must pass required exams. Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams. To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the hobby. Check this out: amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay. 2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs. I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you? Nice try at wordsmithing. it work too Of course Frankie is "all about" trying to "be" things without going the full measure to "be" those things...Here he's trying to be a "radio amateur" without REALLY being a Radio Amateur. where do you get that he is just comenting here He tried being a United States Marine without doing all the things that are required of a Marine, and subsequently got sent home. as did you you after 18 year or did get the choice leave or be prosecuted anyway you want it Seems there's a pattern here. In the United States (and indeed in the English speaking world) a Radio Amateur is a person who has passed a set of examinations that results in the issuance of a Radio Amateur station and/or operator license by the applicant's government. say waht authority Frankie doesn't have one of those. Neither does Lennie. Neither of them are Radio Amateurs. They haven't got what it takes. Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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