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amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of May 15, 2006: Novice - 25,182 (3.8%) [decrease of 24,147] Technician - 280,160 (42.6%) [increase of 74,766] Technician Plus - 39,130 (6.0%) [decrease of 89,730] General - 133,240 (20.2%) [increase of 20,563] Advanced - 72,315 (11.0%) [decrease of 27,467] Extra - 108,005 (16.4%) [increase of 29,255] Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,290 (48.6%) [decrease of 14,964] Total General/Advanced/Extra - 313,560 (47.6%) [increase of 22,351] Total all classes - 658,032 (decrease of 16,760) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Slow Code wrote: wrote in ups.com: I predicted and warned you all this would happen, but none of you wouldn't listen. Good Hams upset over all the Lids and CB'er like behavior on the bands as a result of dumbing down license requirements are leaving the hobby. I can't say I blame them and I hate to see them go. no they are dying of old age with no new ones to replace them On the bright side, there's a lot more ham gear on eBay you can bid on. sc |
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Slow Code wrote:
I predicted and warned you all this would happen, but none of you wouldn't listen. Good Hams upset over all the Lids and CB'er like behavior on the bands as a result of dumbing down license requirements are leaving the hobby. I can't say I blame them and I hate to see them go. On the bright side, there's a lot more ham gear on eBay you can bid on. sc And what do these numbers prove? Not a bleeping thing. I don't think any correlation exists between them and current behavior on HF, which I assume, possibly incorrectly, that you are refering to. The biggest idiots on 20m, for instance, are on 14275, both sides are guilty, and I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. The cleanest, most public oriented operators are on 2m and 70cm, and many, or maybe most, of them did not have to pass any CW exam. They participate in Skywarn, emergency drills, and tons of other things. By and large they are good citizens. The bad actors I have seen come from all parts of the amateur community, with probably the worst from the longest licensed, who seem to feel they have some sort of rights from being around a long time. My personal sample could be wrong, but I don't think so; I've been around a while, too. The older generation always predicts that the current one is going to cause the end of the world. Or whatever imagined disaster they are concerned about. And they are always wrong. tom K0TAR |
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Tom Ring wrote: Slow Code wrote: I predicted and warned you all this would happen, but none of you wouldn't listen. Good Hams upset over all the Lids and CB'er like behavior on the bands as a result of dumbing down license requirements are leaving the hobby. I can't say I blame them and I hate to see them go. On the bright side, there's a lot more ham gear on eBay you can bid on. sc And what do these numbers prove? Not a bleeping thing. I don't think any correlation exists between them and current behavior on HF, which I assume, possibly incorrectly, that you are refering to. The biggest idiots on 20m, for instance, are on 14275, both sides are guilty, and I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. it does prove that CW testing is at best poor proof of screening out bad ops The cleanest, most public oriented operators are on 2m and 70cm, and many, or maybe most, of them did not have to pass any CW exam. They participate in Skywarn, emergency drills, and tons of other things. By and large they are good citizens. The bad actors I have seen come from all parts of the amateur community, with probably the worst from the longest licensed, who seem to feel they have some sort of rights from being around a long time. My personal sample could be wrong, but I don't think so; I've been around a while, too. none of them today HAD to pass one some certainly have The older generation always predicts that the current one is going to cause the end of the world. Or whatever imagined disaster they are concerned about. And they are always wrong. at least to date tom K0TAR |
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Slow Code wrote:
I predicted and warned you all this would happen, but none of you wouldn't listen. If none of us wouldn't listen, doesn't that mean that all of us did listen? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Slow Code wrote: I predicted and warned you all this would happen, but none of you wouldn't listen. None of us WOULDN'T listen? That means we all did, which is a lie...I never heard your prediction before. On the bright side, there's a lot more ham gear on eBay you can bid on. But...what good does having a bunch of gear if there is nobody to talk to or listen to? I guess it's good if you're starting a radio museum... sc |
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On the bright side, there's a lot more ham gear on eBay you can bid on.
But...what good does having a bunch of gear if there is nobody to talk to or listen to? I guess it's good if you're starting a radio museum... Actually there is less of the good stuff on eBay than there was 2 years ago. Plus prices for the rare stuff still keeps going up. |
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I don't think any correlation exists between them and current behavior
on HF, which I assume, possibly incorrectly, that you are refering to. The biggest idiots on 20m, for instance, are on 14275, both sides are guilty, and I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. it does prove that CW testing is at best poor proof of screening out bad ops Yup if you check it out most of the crap on HF is from old farts that passed their tests with the CW requirement. |
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I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. it does prove that CW testing is at best poor proof of screening out bad ops There's no test for one important ham skill: typing. I didn't appreciate how important it is until I learned that one of my pro-Morse buddies does all of his sending with a computer. (He can send with a key but doesn't know where his is.) He says he copies with the computer, too, although he can follow along with the audio. I asked around and found this practice is far from rare; I'm not sure "common" is the right word, though. We also might want to test for basic language skills, including punctuation. While it's not always true, the disagreeable transmissions (and NG posts) often make the speakers/writers sound pretty ignorant. |
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Sal M. Onella wrote: I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. it does prove that CW testing is at best poor proof of screening out bad ops There's no test for one important ham skill: typing. I asked around and found this practice is far from rare; I'm not sure "common" is the right word, though. We also might want to test for basic language skills, including punctuation. why? why do do we want to restrict the numer of hams in that manner While it's not always true, the disagreeable transmissions (and NG posts) often make the speakers/writers sound pretty ignorant. |
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"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... We also might want to test for basic language skills, including punctuation. why? why do do we want to restrict the numer of hams in that manner That's a persuasive argument and you've definitely brought some clarity to the issue. Thanks so much. |
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Sal M. Onella wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... We also might want to test for basic language skills, including punctuation. why? why do do we want to restrict the numer of hams in that manner That's a persuasive argument and you've definitely brought some clarity to the issue. Thanks so much. meaning of course you have no answer answer as well no name |
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**Please note the date of these numbers - this is a delayed repost from
early April, 2006** These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of April 2, 2006: Novice - 25,614 (3.9%) [decrease of 23,715] Technician - 278,690 (42.3%) [increase of 73,296] Technician Plus - 40,534 (6.1%) [decrease of 88,506] General - 133,682 (20.3%) [increase of 21,005] Advanced - 72,819 (11.0%) [decrease of 26,963] Extra - 107,768 (16.4%) [increase of 29,018] Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,224 (48.4%) [decrease of 14,964] Total General/Advanced/Extra - 314,269 (47.7%) [increase of 22,351] Total all classes - 659,107 (decrease of 15,685) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:15:39 -0700, "Sal M. Onella"
wrote: I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. it does prove that CW testing is at best poor proof of screening out bad ops There's no test for one important ham skill: typing. I didn't appreciate how important it is until I learned that one of my pro-Morse buddies does all of his sending with a computer. (He can send with a key but doesn't know where his is.) He says he copies with the computer, too, although he can follow along with the audio. I asked around and found this practice is far from rare; I'm not sure "common" is the right word, though. We also might want to test for basic language skills, including punctuation. While it's not always true, the disagreeable transmissions (and NG posts) often make the speakers/writers sound pretty ignorant. In that case how about testing for personality traits as well as anti-social and anti-authoritarian behavior? :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Which "Roger" are you?
"Roger" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:15:39 -0700, "Sal M. Onella" wrote: I am quite sure that they all got their tickets with CW required. And the problem stations on 75 are quite the same. Which also proves nothing either way. it does prove that CW testing is at best poor proof of screening out bad ops There's no test for one important ham skill: typing. I didn't appreciate how important it is until I learned that one of my pro-Morse buddies does all of his sending with a computer. (He can send with a key but doesn't know where his is.) He says he copies with the computer, too, although he can follow along with the audio. I asked around and found this practice is far from rare; I'm not sure "common" is the right word, though. We also might want to test for basic language skills, including punctuation. While it's not always true, the disagreeable transmissions (and NG posts) often make the speakers/writers sound pretty ignorant. In that case how about testing for personality traits as well as anti-social and anti-authoritarian behavior? :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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I asked around and found this practice is far from rare; I'm not sure
"common" is the right word, though. You really need to type if you run cw over about 60wpm or so.. That was about my limit as far as sending fairly clean with a paddle. I never liked to type, so 55-60 wpm pretty much was the limit for me. Most all the high speed people used a keyboard to send. But I'd say the majority listened with their ears instead of using a reader. The brain is a better reader than most puter CW programs. Most don't handle noise very well. Once I hit 55-60 wpm on a paddle, I was stretching the limits. Past that, and it was pretty dang ugly... Slopsville. The keyboards could kick back and type about any CW speed with perfect sending. A decent typist can go over 100 wpm+. MK |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:30:37 -0400, "Lloyd"
wrote: Which "Roger" are you? The K8RI Roger. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com "Roger" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:15:39 -0700, "Sal M. Onella" wrote: snip |
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Roger wrote:
There are few people who can type that fast. However on CW you type your response while listening to the other station so the transmission speed can be well above your typing speed. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I've met in school and industry who could even approach that 100 wpm. The old electric portables used to jam the keys at much over 60 while the "selectric" could go a fair amount faster. When in college my daughter wore out one of those and she could out type it. My father was NY state champ at over 100 wpm on a manual typewriter in about 1940. I always figured Bucky the milkman must have been my real father, since I was at 15 wpm before typing class, and 12 after a year of it. I still type with 4 fingers, and have to use my eyes to figure where they should go. And I have typed for a living for the last 30+ years. :) tom K0TAR |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:29:28 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: Roger wrote: There are few people who can type that fast. However on CW you type your response while listening to the other station so the transmission speed can be well above your typing speed. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I've met in school and industry who could even approach that 100 wpm. The old electric portables used to jam the keys at much over 60 while the "selectric" could go a fair amount faster. When in college my daughter wore out one of those and she could out type it. My father was NY state champ at over 100 wpm on a manual typewriter in about 1940. I always figured Bucky the milkman must have been my real father, since I was at 15 wpm before typing class, and 12 after a year of it. I still type with 4 fingers, and have to use my eyes to figure where they should go. And I have typed for a living for the last 30+ years. :) If I have to look at the keyboard I'm in trouble. My fingers know where the keys are, but I don't. :-)) If I'm on the telephone and taking notes it'd be faster to use a pencil. OTOH I can at least read my typing. I was net control for a weather watch net with tornado warnings out all around us (Lower Michigan). When I did the summary after the net I realized I need a head set with VOX built in so I can have both hands free. When I was a kid I bought a typing book, borrowed an old mechanical type writer and taught myself. It really didn't take all that long. I'd guess It took about the same time to get to 60 WPM on a mill as it did 20 on a key. My wife remarked that having worked in clerical and administration for the state she knew a number of people who could type 100 WPM. I asked if that was mistake free as corrections take time. It turned out they were considerably slower when mistakes were taken into account. OTOH when I was a sysadmin for a large corporation one of the system admins could type so fast the keyboard buzzed. You could watch the characters flow across the screen and in both directions. If he made a mistake it might take him two words to recognize it, go back and retype. I think he still was making over 100 WPM. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com tom K0TAR |
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I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I've met in school and industry who could even approach that 100 wpm. The old electric portables used to jam the keys at much over 60 while the "selectric" could go a fair amount faster. When in college my daughter wore out one of those and she could out type it. My wife and son can both type, error free at about that rate. I took a typing course in the summer when I was in high school and passed the 10wpm error free test. I think in my case it was 10wpm and at least one word error free :-) My first wife's sister was able to type faster than an IBM selectric typewriter (165wpm) error free. She won awards and contests for it. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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Roger is posting again. Will the same person who told him to stop posting last time kindly tell him to stop posting again. |
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Stop posting to our group Roger.
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We really mean it this time.
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Steven wrote: We really mean it this time. good luck |
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I'm not the one who needs luck.
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Steven wrote: I'm not the one who needs luck. yes you are not flaming you but Roger has resited years of concerted attacks by those he has abused in RRAP and other places I wish you luck and most of all success |
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Since I'm only here via crossposting, and not in your groups but for
the surrepitious route, I will survive. The other tomcat in my neighborhood doesn't look like he will though... |
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amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of June 1, 2006: Novice - 25,083 (3.8%) [decrease of 24,246] Technician - 280,995 (42.7%) [increase of 75,601] Technician Plus - 38,704 (5.9%) [decrease of 90,156] General - 133,169 (20.2%) [increase of 20,492] Advanced - 72,179 (11.0%) [decrease of 27,603] Extra - 108,140 (16.4%) [increase of 29,390] Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,699 (48.6%) [decrease of 14,585] Total General/Advanced/Extra - 313,488 (47.6%) [increase of 22,279] Total all classes - 658,270 (decrease of 16,522) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Roger wrote: On 21 May 2006 23:36:10 -0700, wrote: dang ugly... Slopsville. The keyboards could kick back and type about any CW speed with perfect sending. A decent typist can go over 100 wpm+. There are few people who can type that fast. However on CW you type your response while listening to the other station so the transmission speed can be well above your typing speed. Heck, my mother who was a legal secretary could go well over 100 wpm. On the old selectrics, I think she probably did 120-140+ wpm. She made very few mistakes too. About like a typing machine.. I don't like responding while the other person is sending. At 55-60 wpm, it could lead to some mistakes in copy.. :/ I do that on RTTY, PSK31, but not CW. When I worked faster CW, I listened mostly in my head, and only wrote down the important stuff like call, name.. But I sent normally using a bencher paddle. I don't really use it like a squeeze keyer either. More like an automatic bug. I side slap and rarely use the squeeze method to make letters. I'm still using the same bencher I have had for at least 20+ years.. Guess I'm getting my moneys worth.. I have a homebrew keyer that was built at the same time, and it still works too.. :) MK |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of June 15, 2006: Novice - 24,949 (3.8%) [decrease of 24,380] Technician - 281,657 (42.8%) [increase of 76,263] Technician Plus - 38,278 (5.8%) [decrease of 90,582] General - 132,919 (20.2%) [increase of 20,242] Advanced - 71,963 (10.9%) [decrease of 27,819] Extra - 108,175 (16.4%) [increase of 29,425] Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,935 (48.6%) [decrease of 14,319] Total General/Advanced/Extra - 313,057 (47.6%) [increase of 21,848] Total all classes - 657,941 (decrease of 16,851) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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