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I am about to give up identifying this radio. I have had it for several
years and have not ever seen another like it. It has no name or model on it.
The two tags on the rear only list patent numbers. I have looked in Riders 1
thru 14, Sams, and Beitman with no luck. I have also searched Ebay many
times as well as other sites on the net without success. The radio is a
superhet with the following tube line up: 6A7 converter, 6K7 IF amp, 6H6
detector, 6F5 first audio, Two 42's in parallel as audio outputs and 80
rectifier. The closest thing that I found was a sears 7171 in Riders 10-95.
The chassis layout for the 7171 is almost identical but with one less 42 and
a different IF amp. Sears didn't build their own sets and I would almost bet
that whoever built the 7171 also built the radio that I have.

Thanks in advance for any and all comments and info.

--
Bob Smith

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We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

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In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

Many, many people do yEnc, Ken. It shouldn't be hard to find software
which decodes it effortlessly. I use MT-Newswatcher on a Macintosh but
could use a number of other newsreaders and decode yEnc with no problem.
Given that there is so much more software available for PCs, there
shouldn't be any difficulty finding a newsreader that will decode it.
Forte Agent probably does.

Dave

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Ken Doyle wrote:
We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.


Ken,
Here is a jpg of it.

Sal

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Just post the danged .JPG. That's what your digi-cam (or cell phone camera,
etc.) probably creates in the first place.

If you're posting to an international newsgroup, you want to make things as
simple as possible for the widest possible audience.

There may be someone out there who can instantly identify this radio, but
who doesn't want to piddle around with changing newsreaders, downloading
conversion software, etc., just to view one photo.

Phil

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Thanks, Sal!
Nelson

"Sal Brisindi" wrote in message
...
Ken Doyle wrote:
We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.


Ken,
Here is a jpg of it.

Sal





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The point is that yEnc is not a standard. It is only a defacto standard. I
was able to view the original post because I spent some effort a while ago
to find an add in for outlook express. It wasn't a fun experience. The
smaller transfer size offered by yEnc isn't significant in my oppinion,
especially with HS internet. Frequenters of this NG typically don't want to
fuss with gimmicky free software. We just want to click and view.

Phil B


"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

Many, many people do yEnc, Ken. It shouldn't be hard to find software
which decodes it effortlessly. I use MT-Newswatcher on a Macintosh but
could use a number of other newsreaders and decode yEnc with no problem.
Given that there is so much more software available for PCs, there
shouldn't be any difficulty finding a newsreader that will decode it.
Forte Agent probably does.

Dave

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Folks,
I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email program and newsgroup reader which
incidentally decoded the yenc photo that was posted here without any
problems.

Give it a try, you will not be disappointed.

Regards,
Sal Brisindi

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Here it is hopefully in UU-encoding.

On 11-Sep-2007, "Bob Smith" wrote:

Can you identify this radio? - "Unknown Radio.jpg" 336.4 KBytes yEnc

I am about to give up identifying this radio. I have had it for several
years and have not ever seen another like it. It has no name or model on
it.
The two tags on the rear only list patent numbers. I have looked in Riders
1
thru 14, Sams, and Beitman with no luck. I have also searched Ebay many
times as well as other sites on the net without success. The radio is a
superhet with the following tube line up: 6A7 converter, 6K7 IF amp, 6H6
detector, 6F5 first audio, Two 42's in parallel as audio outputs and 80
rectifier. The closest thing that I found was a sears 7171 in Riders
10-95.
The chassis layout for the 7171 is almost identical but with one less 42
and
a different IF amp. Sears didn't build their own sets and I would almost
bet
that whoever built the 7171 also built the radio that I have.

Thanks in advance for any and all comments and info.



--
Bob Smith

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"Sal Brisindi" wrote in message
...
Folks,
I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email program and newsgroup reader which
incidentally decoded the yenc photo that was posted here without any
problems.

Give it a try, you will not be disappointed.

Regards,
Sal Brisindi

My last experience with Mozilla was not a good one!

It wouldn't accept a whole host of plugins I rely on and when I tried to
uninstall it, it messed up so many settings I had to run system restore to
clean up the mess!

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In article S%KFi.3809$ed1.564@trnddc05,
"Phil B" wrote:

We just want to click and view.

That's exactly what I like to do and do it all of the time, yEnc or no.

I understand your sentiments, Phil, and if I couldn't find software to
decode yEnc, I'd be irritated, too. If you look at it from another
point of view, folks who doggedly refuse to accommodate yEnc, which is
fairly common, are making their lives far more difficult that it needs
to be and missing out on content that they might enjoy or benefit from.

If I post I use UUEncode - not a yEnc fanatic or anything. I just
figure - use free and/or easily obtainable software that manages it and
spend life clicking and viewing, not cussing and fussing.

Dave

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GPS co-ordinates N 45 57.751 W 64 37.497
"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

Many, many people do yEnc, Ken. It shouldn't be hard to find software
which decodes it effortlessly. I use MT-Newswatcher on a Macintosh but
could use a number of other newsreaders and decode yEnc with no problem.
Given that there is so much more software available for PCs, there
shouldn't be any difficulty finding a newsreader that will decode it.
Forte Agent probably does.

Dave

I have often wondered why. Why would someone post in yEnc, when only
a small percentage of people can view the image. Why not post in GIF
or in JPG when EVERYONE can view it.

No, I am not interested in reading all the comparisons of the good and evil
of yEnc. I am just a simple person, with simple wants and needs. Not
interested
in looking for software, download it and running it so that I too can view
yEnc.
I neither like it nor do I dislike it. I just don't use it.

I hope that this post will NOT start any flame wars.

Regards
Reed

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"Reed Park" wrote in message
...
I have often wondered why. Why would someone post in yEnc, when only
a small percentage of people can view the image. Why not post in GIF
or in JPG when EVERYONE can view it.

No, I am not interested in reading all the comparisons of the good and
evil
of yEnc. I am just a simple person, with simple wants and needs. Not
interested
in looking for software, download it and running it so that I too can view
yEnc.
I neither like it nor do I dislike it. I just don't use it.

I hope that this post will NOT start any flame wars.

Regards
Reed

Exactly. Windows will view a GIF, JPG, and many other formats.

You would think that someone looking for HELP on an issue would make it the
most easily available possible, fer cryin' out loud. But no, in order to
help the OP, WE should go and find and install something.

Seems strange to me...

Buck

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In article ,
"Reed Park" wrote:

I have often wondered why. Why would someone post in yEnc, when only
a small percentage of people can view the image. Why not post in GIF
or in JPG when EVERYONE can view it.

No, I am not interested in reading all the comparisons of the good and evil
of yEnc. I am just a simple person, with simple wants and needs. Not
interested
in looking for software, download it and running it so that I too can view
yEnc.
I neither like it nor do I dislike it. I just don't use it.

I hope that this post will NOT start any flame wars.

Let's hope not!

You still get GIFs and JPGs in yEnc. The image compression format (JPG
or GIF) is the same when yEnc is used.

Currently UUEncode is the scheme used to encode and transmit most JPGs
and GIFs over the Internet.

Apparently using yEnc instead of UUEncode results in significantly
smaller files being sent over the Internet. That's all that I know
about it. Smaller files can be a big advantage to people with slower
Internet connections.

I have no idea what percentage of images are sent via yEnc.

Dave

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"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

Many, many people do yEnc, Ken.

yEnc is extremely rude to use on Usenet, WHAT does it matter that it SHOULD
be easier to decode? WHAT purpose does it have except to show "look at me,
I'm a really savvy techy person who has no Windows computers anywhere in my
life!". Sheesh, it's ruder than HTML. Of course, Ken G. can't understand why
we all just don't post JPG's on rec.antiques.radio+phono.

John H.

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ian field wrote:
"Sal Brisindi" wrote in message
...
Folks,
I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email program and newsgroup reader which
incidentally decoded the yenc photo that was posted here without any
problems.

Give it a try, you will not be disappointed.

Regards,
Sal Brisindi

My last experience with Mozilla was not a good one!

It wouldn't accept a whole host of plugins I rely on and when I tried to
uninstall it, it messed up so many settings I had to run system restore to
clean up the mess!


I have Mozilla loaded on 3 of my PC's without any problems, but then I
don't think I loaded any plugins.

Sal

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In article ,
"Hagstar" wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

Many, many people do yEnc, Ken.

yEnc is extremely rude to use on Usenet, WHAT does it matter that it SHOULD
be easier to decode? WHAT purpose does it have except to show "look at me,
I'm a really savvy techy person who has no Windows computers anywhere in my
life!". Sheesh, it's ruder than HTML. Of course, Ken G. can't understand why
we all just don't post JPG's on rec.antiques.radio+phono.

John H.

Well the purpose of yEnc is to have smaller files sent over the
Internet. That saves bandwidth and makes downloads and uploads faster
for those with slower connection speeds. It's not just people
deciding, "I'm going to be rude today and post some JPGs using yEnc."

Dave

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Dave Moorman wrote:

In article S%KFi.3809$ed1.564@trnddc05,
"Phil B" wrote:

We just want to click and view.

That's exactly what I like to do and do it all of the time, yEnc or no.

I understand your sentiments, Phil, and if I couldn't find software to
decode yEnc, I'd be irritated, too. If you look at it from another
point of view, folks who doggedly refuse to accommodate yEnc, which is
fairly common, are making their lives far more difficult that it needs
to be and missing out on content that they might enjoy or benefit from.

If I post I use UUEncode - not a yEnc fanatic or anything. I just
figure - use free and/or easily obtainable software that manages it and
spend life clicking and viewing, not cussing and fussing.

Dave


And those who use it might miss out on getting help from the only
person who can help, but don't have the time or inclination to convert
the file so they can see it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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Sal Brisindi wrote:

Ken Doyle wrote:
We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.


Ken,
Here is a jpg of it.

Sal

------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Image]


Thanks, Sal. Whatever it is, it has a bad transformer. Not only
did somone let the smoke out, the whole thing vaporized. ;)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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Sorry to be snippety, my apologies. Most people I know post yEnc
deliberately because it's "better".

John H.

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"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"Hagstar" wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

Many, many people do yEnc, Ken.

yEnc is extremely rude to use on Usenet, WHAT does it matter that it
SHOULD
be easier to decode? WHAT purpose does it have except to show "look at
me,
I'm a really savvy techy person who has no Windows computers anywhere in
my
life!". Sheesh, it's ruder than HTML. Of course, Ken G. can't understand
why
we all just don't post JPG's on rec.antiques.radio+phono.

John H.

Well the purpose of yEnc is to have smaller files sent over the
Internet. That saves bandwidth and makes downloads and uploads faster
for those with slower connection speeds. It's not just people
deciding, "I'm going to be rude today and post some JPGs using yEnc."

Dave

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

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In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

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"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play
with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

If there was a simple and "invisible" plug in for Outlook Express I'd
probably install it, but as it stands the majority of people can't be
bothered with it so anyone who posts a picture and asks everyone to help
them are just shooting themselves in the foot.

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In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play
with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

If there was a simple and "invisible" plug in for Outlook Express I'd
probably install it, but as it stands the majority of people can't be
bothered with it so anyone who posts a picture and asks everyone to help
them are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, that puts yEnc at a distinct disadvantage. Have you tried a
newsreader like Forte Agent? If you read newsgroups, using a program
designed for the purpose is like emerging from Plato's cave and seeing
the actual sun - everything is so much easier!

I use a Mac program, MT-Newswatcher, and Forte Agent seems to be similar
and also very competent. I looked into it for a friend and ended up
signing on to the Forte Usenet server - the price is very reasonable and
the service excellent.

Do you do ham radio, Ian?

Dave

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"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play
with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not
even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

If there was a simple and "invisible" plug in for Outlook Express I'd
probably install it, but as it stands the majority of people can't be
bothered with it so anyone who posts a picture and asks everyone to help
them are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, that puts yEnc at a distinct disadvantage. Have you tried a
newsreader like Forte Agent? If you read newsgroups, using a program
designed for the purpose is like emerging from Plato's cave and seeing
the actual sun - everything is so much easier!

I use a Mac program, MT-Newswatcher, and Forte Agent seems to be similar
and also very competent. I looked into it for a friend and ended up
signing on to the Forte Usenet server - the price is very reasonable and
the service excellent.

So its not just the inconvenience of setting up and learning a yEenc
reader - it costs more as well!

Do you do ham radio, Ian?

No - I'm more into industrial type electronics and TVs/monitors although
I've started taking PW since the demise of Television Magazine and
Technology @ Home.

Dave

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:17:34 -0400, Ken Doyle wrote:

We don't do yEnc here.

Ken D.

My newsreader (PAN) decoded this just fine. Worked straight out of the
box. No fiddling with plugins etc. It was a free download. Works great on
ubuntu linux.

Scott.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:54:27 +0000, ian field wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play
with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

If there was a simple and "invisible" plug in for Outlook Express I'd
probably install it, but as it stands the majority of people can't be
bothered with it so anyone who posts a picture and asks everyone to help
them are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Scott.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

So its not just the inconvenience of setting up and learning a yEenc
reader - it costs more as well!

If you use a PC! :-)

Dave

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In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

No - I'm more into industrial type electronics and TVs/monitors although
I've started taking PW since the demise of Television Magazine and
Technology @ Home.

What's PW?

Dave

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"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

No - I'm more into industrial type electronics and TVs/monitors although
I've started taking PW since the demise of Television Magazine and
Technology @ Home.

What's PW?

Dave

Practical Wireless - it used to have a broader appeal many years ago, but is
now almost entirely ham-radio cantered.

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"scott" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:54:27 +0000, ian field wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play
with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

If there was a simple and "invisible" plug in for Outlook Express I'd
probably install it, but as it stands the majority of people can't be
bothered with it so anyone who posts a picture and asks everyone to help
them are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Scott.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


For want of a "round-tuit" - I've downloaded several distributions of Linux
and set aside as many boxes to try them out on, but at the moment I've got a
bit busy getting to grips with PIC programming.

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"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

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In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

No - I'm more into industrial type electronics and TVs/monitors although
I've started taking PW since the demise of Television Magazine and
Technology @ Home.

What's PW?

Dave

Practical Wireless - it used to have a broader appeal many years ago, but is
now almost entirely ham-radio cantered.


I see! Looks interesting, but at £55.00 per year in the States, I think
I'll pass on a subscription.

Dave

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In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

Thanks for the background, Ken. I guess the next question is: Why is it
so hard for MS software to decode yEnc?

I'm not a fan of yEnc and don't care if it's used or not, because it's
all the same to my Usenet software. But I'm always surprised at how
difficult it is for some people, all PC users. Is MS unable or
unwilling to include yEnc decoding in Outlook Express?

Dave



Dave

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Dave Moorman wrote:

In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

Thanks for the background, Ken. I guess the next question is: Why is it
so hard for MS software to decode yEnc?

I'm not a fan of yEnc and don't care if it's used or not, because it's
all the same to my Usenet software. But I'm always surprised at how
difficult it is for some people, all PC users. Is MS unable or
unwilling to include yEnc decoding in Outlook Express?



What about people uses computers other than Windows, Linux or Mac? I
know people who use Commodore Amiga computers, and I have heard that
someone has managd to use a Commodore 64 to access Usenet. Both ot
these can display GIF files, but can not convert Yenc.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:40:20 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Dave Moorman wrote:

In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

Thanks for the background, Ken. I guess the next question is: Why is it
so hard for MS software to decode yEnc?

I'm not a fan of yEnc and don't care if it's used or not, because it's
all the same to my Usenet software. But I'm always surprised at how
difficult it is for some people, all PC users. Is MS unable or
unwilling to include yEnc decoding in Outlook Express?



What about people uses computers other than Windows, Linux or Mac? I
know people who use Commodore Amiga computers, and I have heard that
someone has managd to use a Commodore 64 to access Usenet. Both ot
these can display GIF files, but can not convert Yenc.


Michael,

I primarily use Ubuntu Linux, but I do have a Windows 2000 partition that
tries to work. I loaded the OS and all my hardware was detected. It was
actually easier than loading Windows. I used the built in download
utility to download the PAN newsreader. I then went to the easyubuntu.org
site and downloaded that utility. Once I ran one small line of code from
the easyubuntu instructions, the utility allowed me to install the most
commonly used plugins and codecs to enable any non open source multimedia
applications including yenc. Now whenever I click on a yenc encoded post
PAN just opens it. No muss or fuss. I neither like nor dislike yenc. I
just know it works without any problems on my system. I also know I never
have liked OutLook Express as a newsreader. Its just not easily
customizable for my particular needs. When I was running a MAC I used
Hogwasher as my newsreader. None of this is real geeky stuff and it works
with older hardware. I just got sick and tired of getting out the credit
card every 3 years to pay Microsoft and then find I needed new hardware
and other software as well. My wife likes Ubuntu so much she stopped using
her MAC. She says it's easier and make more sense to her. Of course there
is a cost to all this... free. If you are too lazy to learne how to
download and install linux, the ubuntu folks will send you a free CD in
the mail if you email them requesting one. Think free, like in, freedom of
speech.

Scott.

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scott wrote:

Michael,

I primarily use Ubuntu Linux, but I do have a Windows 2000 partition that
tries to work. I loaded the OS and all my hardware was detected. It was
actually easier than loading Windows. I used the built in download
utility to download the PAN newsreader. I then went to the easyubuntu.org
site and downloaded that utility. Once I ran one small line of code from
the easyubuntu instructions, the utility allowed me to install the most
commonly used plugins and codecs to enable any non open source multimedia
applications including yenc. Now whenever I click on a yenc encoded post
PAN just opens it. No muss or fuss. I neither like nor dislike yenc. I
just know it works without any problems on my system. I also know I never
have liked OutLook Express as a newsreader. Its just not easily
customizable for my particular needs. When I was running a MAC I used
Hogwasher as my newsreader. None of this is real geeky stuff and it works
with older hardware. I just got sick and tired of getting out the credit
card every 3 years to pay Microsoft and then find I needed new hardware
and other software as well. My wife likes Ubuntu so much she stopped using
her MAC. She says it's easier and make more sense to her. Of course there
is a cost to all this... free. If you are too lazy to learn how to
download and install linux, the ubuntu folks will send you a free CD in
the mail if you email them requesting one. Think free, like in, freedom of
speech.


I downloaded it months ago, but I'm testing another version of Linux
(Mandiva) right now. I have looked at various versions of Linux for
over 10 years.


I have no problem using Linux, and have helped others install it on
their computers but the news reader I prefer doesn't support Yenc.

It's not an OS issue, but it doesn't matter. I'll continue to delete
Yenc when I see it, because I will not change from software that works
for me, for someone else's convenience.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I downloaded it months ago, but I'm testing another version of Linux
(Mandiva) right now. I have looked at various versions of Linux for
over 10 years.

I inherited a new computer that my older brother had bought just before
he died, Mike. He had it long enough to install Windows on one
partition and SUSE Linux on the other. I've fired it up a couple of
times but of course have no passwords, so I may have to re-install Linux
to make it usable.

So...I was wondering which version of Linux you liked?

Dave

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Dave Moorman wrote:

In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I downloaded it months ago, but I'm testing another version of Linux
(Mandiva) right now. I have looked at various versions of Linux for
over 10 years.

I inherited a new computer that my older brother had bought just before
he died, Mike. He had it long enough to install Windows on one
partition and SUSE Linux on the other. I've fired it up a couple of
times but of course have no passwords, so I may have to re-install Linux
to make it usable.

So...I was wondering which version of Linux you liked?

Dave


Like I said, i am trying out Mandiva right now. The Red Hat I tried
a few years ago never did work right.

I will install Unbutu on another computer to try it. I have about 20
repairable computers right now, with no OS because the hard drive
failed, or the previous owner reformatted the hard drive. I want to
compare the different versions side by side, rather than sequentially.


I loaned the computer with Mandiva to a friend who is very computer
illiterate. he loved it, and got a CDROM with Unbutu Linux and
installed it on one of his older computers, and he likes it. There has
been a fair amount of discussion on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking about
different versions of Linux. Check the Google Groups Archives.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ has the full OS free for download, or you can
have them mail you a free bootable CDROM with it.

If you need any help getting the computer up and running, let me
know.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I loaned the computer with Mandiva to a friend who is very computer
illiterate. he loved it, and got a CDROM with Unbutu Linux and
installed it on one of his older computers, and he likes it. There has
been a fair amount of discussion on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking about
different versions of Linux. Check the Google Groups Archives.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ has the full OS free for download, or you can
have them mail you a free bootable CDROM with it.

If you need any help getting the computer up and running, let me
know.

Thanks, Michael. I'll look into Ubuntu.

Dave