GOD = "We don't need to provide no stinkin' customer service"

"DeWayne" wrote in message
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"Dan Conti" wrote in message
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think they're GOD,

As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they?

Actually, it says NOTHING of the sort.

It NEVER mentioned Usenet at all, and since your post
wasn't commercial (you're not a dealer), I can't see
where your post violated THAT 'rule'.

It talks about SPAM with regard to e-mail. eBay also considers posting
their auctions to Usenet SPAM, which it is, and as suck violates the rule.

I can see NO OTHER logical reason why the auction was cancelled.

If and when I receive a response from them, I will post it here.

Personally, I'd call your post 'newsgroup abuse',
which eBay CLEARLY doesn't care about.

Well, one's newsgroup abuse is another's useful post. Most of what is
on the newsgroups is abuse, and you know it Bud.

And I ALREADY posted directly to you how I felt about your post.
You're just too much of a jerk to accept that and LEAVE it at that.

Coming from an asshole, Jerk is a welcome moniker.

DeWayne wrote:
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
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think they're GOD,


As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they?


Yep

Hey Dan, if you post to newsgroups, do one at a time, that is not
considered spamming.
Also, If you read the ebay rules on newsgroups they don't want you to
advertise ebay on the groups.
You are just using FA for your own personal auction and not promoting ebay.
Also, it says ebay will not take any action if somebody else posted your
auction, or if they can't confirm
an e-mail address that is not registered with ebay. Many people do look
at the auctions listed FA: on the groups.
Some people are cry babies, some with potty mouths who bitch about it.
These people should use their filters so
they won't see anything with FA:.
A friend of mine that uses ebay posted his auction on the groups a few
months ago. Now, he ran into a cry baby and said he complained to
ebay. Well that auction went on.
This jerk used a false e-mail address to post thinking he was safe. As
my buddy said to him on the newsgroups (which the baby spammed) YOU has
been reported to
to your provider. He told them this guy is causing trouble on the
groups and is spamming and using a made up address.
The newsgroup moderators don't take kind to that.
Guess what? My buddy posted more auctions and the "baby rat" was never
heard from again. My buddy assumed that his own provider banned him
since he never posted again. Seems it does not pay to be a schmuck!


Dan Conti wrote:

eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the
internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services
of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these
groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very
least).

eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can
from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding?
Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should
they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best,
but more about THAT later...

I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and
also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with
BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price
past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good
ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high,
and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder
from bidding an item TOO HIGH.

The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my
scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened,
never used scanner.

But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice......

***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer
available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number
correctly.
If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction
canceled***

I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION.

eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As
far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel
your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you
NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but
so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business.

I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning
bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason....

Other then what I THINK happened.

Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT ,
SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they
removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's
responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself.

Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM,
and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it.
Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a
few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT
******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm.

Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a
straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is
unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it
on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the
newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap.

However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting
ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on
the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or
for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or
DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it.

Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading.

Dan

You have every right to advertise your ebay auctions on Usenet. Who ever tells
you not to is a no life loser!


Apparently you have NO right to do this, my friend as I found out the
hard way.

The no-life losers will drop a dime to eBAy on you, and whatever the
rule is they use, they are the auction GODS and don't like getting
complaints.

Rather then giving the poster the benefit of responding to the
complaint, they just DUMP your auction.

Funny thing is, looks like I'll eventually be back on eBay if I want to
sell this scanner.

Dan

This seems to be the best info on the eBay rules for posting on Usenet
newsgroups:



"eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to
advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or
violates the Usenet board policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to
eBay, we may among other remedies remove the listing, issue a
warning, or suspend the user's eBay account.

Please note that eBay can only take action in cases where it's
clear it was an eBay member who posted to the Usenet group
inappropriately."

As you can see.. It is permitted by eBay to post a link to your
eBay auction listing IF and only IF it is appropriate for that
newsgroup. If the newsgroup permits it, then go for it if you
want... If it is against the policy of that newsgroup, then it can
be reported to eBay and your ISP who each may take actions.

Who determines what can be posted on WHAT newsgroup?

Where can these rules be found?

Who decides what is appropriate?

My rantings aside, this entire episode will be a good learning
experience for us all.

Apparently, if I go to eBay with a FA posting and tell them it's against
the newsgroup rules, that person is in violation and subject to all
kinds of actions...

Dan

Sorry for budding in Dan, But what you say is very true about Ebay. I
recently posted a switch key for sale and the bids were going great until
Ebay pulled the rug from under me removing the add saying that the key I was
selling received complaints from "certain " people and that it was still in
use today...blah blah blah. Who the hell does Ebay think they are ? The
authorities watch dog ?
Christ I pay at least 200$ a month in advertising not to mention the
substantial "cuts" Paypal takes off MY earnings.
Needless to say that I for one am very ****ed also and especially sickened
by the abusive Capitalistic Tyrant ways Ebay demonstrates. TOO BAD we dont
have other options as popular as FleaBay.

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...
eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the internet
community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's
type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think
they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least).

eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from
it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send
them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're
the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT
later...

I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also
made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT
NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what
the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US
capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far
as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an
item TOO HIGH.

The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my
scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never
used scanner.

But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice......

***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer
available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly.
If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction
canceled***

I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION.

eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far
as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your
auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail
explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no
response. This is NO WAY to do business.

I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning
bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason....

Other then what I THINK happened.

Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG
dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my
auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can
formulate some potential suspects for yourself.

Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and
hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because
someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more
then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops
and cause me harm.

Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight
FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is
unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on
eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups,
not even rec.radio.swap.

However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY
and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the
rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale
newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by
eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it.

Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading.

Dan

Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
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Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone
reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT.
Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and
I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

FA = FOR AUCTION

"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message
.. .
Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone
reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT.
Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and
I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get
from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the
USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged
or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble
shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me.
I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected
by Canada customs agents.
Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we
knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist
block country.
So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The
lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me.

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
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I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled.
I'm wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech
wizards they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or
whatever, to make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've
seen other FAs in here as well, none of them complained of having their
auctions cut short.

Good thought. I was thinking the same thing. We all know it is impossible
for the 796D to be continuous coverage or modded, but eBay will go by
whatever someone tells them.

This is why I can't wait to see their response.

The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off -
listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I
believe for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've
never pulled my auctions for posting FA.

If NO NE dropped a dime to them about you posting FA, they will never
bother you. DO you really think eBay scours the newsgroups for
violations? They turn a blind eye until someone makes a complaint, then
they have to act.


IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why
turn vigilante against the whole group?

I have A suspect in mind, but can never prove it. eBay will not turn over
the info on the complainant.

No vigilante, just making sure that what was good for Goose Dan, is good
for the gander.

You can thank the no-life asshole among you for it...

Dan

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