eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the
internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services
of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups
who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least).

eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can
from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding?
Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they,
they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more
about THAT later...

I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and
also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with
BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price
past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good
ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high,
and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from
bidding an item TOO HIGH.

The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my
scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened,
never used scanner.

But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice......

***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer
available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly.
If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction
canceled***

I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION.

eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far
as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your
auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO
e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so
far no response. This is NO WAY to do business.

I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning
bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason....

Other then what I THINK happened.

Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT ,
SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they
removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses,
you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself.

Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM,
and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it.
Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few
bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT *******
Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm.

Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight
FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is
unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on
eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the
newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap.

However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting
ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the
rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for
sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED
by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it.

Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading.

Dan

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups? Is it because its
considered spam? This is the first I have heard of it. So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until
someone reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a
RAT. Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year
and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my
ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone
reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT.
Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and
I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

FA = FOR AUCTION

"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message
.. .
Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone
reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT.
Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and
I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"cl" wrote in message
.verio.net...
FA = FOR AUCTION

"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message
.. .
Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays
reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until
someone reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a
RAT. Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year
and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my
ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...
eBay, an idea that started Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks
for reading.

snip
Dan

I have bought and sold much on Ebay. I have had them cancel an auction for
violation of some rule of theirs, but they always e-mailed me with the
reason. It was always something I did because I did not read the entire
rules. They also always refunded my "insertion fee". They are certainly a
big company, and you can "take them or leave them" I'm sure they would not
care. How do you pay them? If you do as everyone should, pay with a credit
card you can challenge the charge. Over the years I have had EXCELLENT
service from both Master Card and Discover when someone tried to burn me
both on line and in person.
If, and it's a BIG if, this really happened like you "claim", it sounds
like it was some kind of mistake. Does anyone here know if Ebay has some
rule about posting a link to their auctions in Usenet?
If people really did bid on your scanner you can just e-mail them and make
a deal to sell them the scanner.
--
Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.

I have bought and sold much on Ebay. I have had them cancel an auction for
violation of some rule of theirs, but they always e-mailed me with the
reason.

Still no e-mail or response to my inquiry from eBay.

It was always something I did because I did not read the entire
rules. They also always refunded my "insertion fee". They are certainly a
big company, and you can "take them or leave them" I'm sure they would not
care. How do you pay them? If you do as everyone should, pay with a credit
card you can challenge the charge. Over the years I have had EXCELLENT
service from both Master Card and Discover when someone tried to burn me
both on line and in person.
If, and it's a BIG if, this really happened like you "claim", it sounds
like it was some kind of mistake.

Click this link and you will see that my auction was in fact dumped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:LC:US:1


Does anyone here know if Ebay has some
rule about posting a link to their auctions in Usenet?

Yes, you are not suppsed to post anything related to an eBay auction
ANYWHERE outside of eBay in any form or advertisement. This may be to
protect them from charges of SPAM from their company, and also for them
to maintain an absolute monopoly and control over any content or ads
from their service.

If people really did bid on your scanner you can just e-mail them and make
a deal to sell them the scanner.

Yes, they REALLY did. And guess what? I can't e-mail them because the
auction is GONE and I dont' have the information.

And you know what? Doing so would violate YET ANOTHER eBay rule. If
you click the link above and read, you will see what it is.

Dan

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:22:02 GMT, Dan Conti wrote:

Yes, they REALLY did. And guess what? I can't e-mail them because the
auction is GONE and I dont' have the information.

Poor account management. So you learned a valuable lesson.

List if for a $600 buy it now price, and I bet you will have some
INBOUND e-mails from people wanting to do a deal for a lower price off
of Ebay.


And you know what? Doing so would violate YET ANOTHER eBay rule. If
you click the link above and read, you will see what it is.

If they cancelled the auction, you have no relationship to do the
"deal" on Ebay. If they canceled the auction, there is nothing
stopping you from doing a private party deal.

In article ,
says...
Click this link and you will see that my auction was in fact dumped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:LC:US:1

Right now it says "Bidding has ended for this item" and shows a winning
bid of $510. Doesn't look like a "dumped" auction to me.

--

-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
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