|
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
Atom Bombs,Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
cuhulin |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
X-No-Archive:
In article .com, "tack" wrote: On Feb 22, 5:18 pm, "tack" wrote: On Feb 22, 3:51 pm, wrote: I emailed a photo to tack1.That's all the photo(s) I will send. cuhulin That's cool. I'll check. Yes, I got the photo. She died too young. What kind of cancer? Moonlight Mile sent another diatribe. I did not read it, except for the first paragraph and the last. Too distressing for me to read the writings of fools and nuts. I will no longer read nor respond to him or David. David is unwise, but Mile is a nutjob. It would be well if you and DXace and all others ignore them; maybe they'll go away. I do not participate in these groups to find kooks, flakes, and haters. I took history in college, and enjoyed it. Made excellent grades. History is important, it should be studied carefully, but very rarely is. Something I noticed in American history is that the country should not be here. From the beginning and through every period of American history, we've overcome pitfall after pitfall, beat all the odds. The odds are overwhelming that we still exist, and exist with so much power. Like Paul Harvey said, we have only 5% of the worlds population, but half of all its good things. I firmly believe the hand of Providence is in it. There is so much that should've gone wrong; a benevolent first president that could have become king, but guided a young Republic. The first of Presidential elections went with a smooth transition of power (there was much enmity between parties involved) which never occurred before in history. And on and on and on. Something else I learned: Judge past historical players NOT by your own standards, or the present day standards. They must be judged by the standards of the period, and of their PEERS. When they lived, the future did not exist! No brainer, ha. Too easy to fall into the hindsight trap. The US had many faults and did some bad things, but the only proper way to judge her is by comparing her to other peoples and nations during the relevant periods. Hey, moron. I was asked to post again. I did so. I have a much more material. If you didn't have your head up your ass, you would bothered to read my post and realized that at least some of U.S. misdeeds are not at all in the distant past. And if you wanted to know even more about your "great" country and even more recent misdeeds. You must have no awareness of recent national and international events. The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause, killing not one person known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks. All reasons for attacking Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there after nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. We've imposed a puppet goverment there, built 4 permanent military bases there we are staying there permanently. Same thing in Afghanistan! We've tortured innocent people; we've wiretapped our own people. This is not hindsight! What the hell would be a relevant period if not the _present period_. Read the book I mentioned in an earlier posts--lots of good stuff, almost all reliably sourced. You got the balls to face the truth? Do you anything of current events?????? You and peqple like you should not be allowed to vote. I have no idea what Paul Harvey or you mean by "good things". If you mean wealth, then your point is specious at best. We actively prevent other countries from modernizing and acquiring wealth. I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you. You don't even bother to read when the material heads towards the painful truths. Doesn't matter, I guess. The U.S. is in for a very painful fall, soon if conservative Republicans regain full control. Here's some timeless wisdom for you: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." --? Like I said, what you believe or don't believe, doesn't matter. The realities I've described will not go away. Last, I'll point out that you failed to show the simple courtesy I requested in my previous post. I shouldn't have had to make that request...it's a USENET courtesy! MM |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
X-No-Archive:
In article , Telamon wrote: In article , Moonlight Mile wrote: Snip all Another half wit posting insane political crap. Plonk Two suggestions: If you cannot refute what I've written, don't respond at all. Be very careful who you insult on USENET. If you can give me an address, I'd be happy to fly out to beat an apology out of you. MM |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
Moonlight Mile wrote: .. Sadly, U.S foreign policy is the problem, not terrorists. this is the type of idiocy racism breeds. moonlight, a racist to the core, can't believe arab muslims would invent a genocidal fascist ideology, so he places the blame on the US. he can't read. he doesn't know history. he's never heard of sayyid qutb, the muslim brotherhood, bin laden's 'letter to america', or any other document regarding the current situation. so he mouths the mindless trash that fills the empty heads of the far left. in another age he'd be an ermine garbed cardinal burning the witches. today he's got another fundie ideology to believe it. |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
X-No-Archive:
In article m, "Cato" wrote: As a "dumbass Canuck" I just have a few things to say. Some people here seem to think that Communist countrys simply have a "different system of government and economics", as one poster has said. If you think that that is all it is, then maybe you should read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. No nation's government has enslaved or murdered more of its own citizens then the former U.S.S.R., well, except for, perhaps, The People's Republic of China. No the U.S., and the rest of the western world aren't perfect. We get some jerky leaders sometimes. A lot of us take our freedom for granted, and because of that, we are slowly losing our freedom to gradual, creeping socialism of one sort or another. It's happening in Canada. We had more freedom forty or fifty years ago. It's also happening in the U.S., but they aren't as far along the road as we are. But if things keep going the way they are, we will all eventually lose all our freedom. But our western way of life is a hell of a lot better then anything in any Communist or Fascist, or Islamic country, or in any country that has some sort of totalitarianism. And although the U.S. has its problems and isn't perfect, it's a hell of a lot better then any of those dictatorial countrys. And none of the rest of us are perfect either. But hell, if it wasn't for the U.S., our countrys would all be Communist countrys controlled from Moscow a long time ago. And we would all be brainwashed slaves to our "comrade great leader", or slowly dieing in concentration camps, or already dead. So, for this, all freedom loving people in the world, owe the U.S. a huge "Thankyou". Oh yes, someone said that the U.S. dropped H bombs on Japan??? No, they didn't! Look it up. You seem well-informed...a pleasant surpise. Others here are not. "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." You are correct on the last point you have made. I was incorrect (i.e. wrong) on that point. On your other comments, I'd wouldn't comment w/o reading up on those country's histories, which I will soon be doing. I took a course in Russian history in college many years ago and remember so little. Still have the textbook. But you are wrong about the U.S.S.R and the U.S. There was never an International Communist Conspiracy committed to taking over the world...that myth was invented by the U.S. since we always need an enemy. Heard of PNAC???? Every time workers in the U.S. tried to unionize, they were accused for being communists and were simply crushed by our government when necessary. A declassified UK memo (1968) stated that the U.S.S.R. never intended a limited or general war with European nations and that the U.S.S.R. tried very hard to maintain open communications with the west. And I believe it was in the 1970's that the U.S.S.R. offered to dissolve the Warsaw Pact if NATO was dissolved. The U.S. flatly turned them down w/o any negotiations. I actually remember this happening and wondered "what the hell?". The Cold War was prolonged by the U.S. Even now the U.S., wants to put missiles in Poland, with Russia the obvious target. In addition, Bush signed in Oct. 2006 a "Space Policy" (_not_ a treaty), that states that the U.S. can use space for any purpose including militarization w/o any interference for any reason and that no other country enjoys that privilege. All this stuff can be Googled up. Nobody in the U.S. bothers to read newspapers or follow current events--the consequence is that people here are easily manipulated and cannot intelligently discuss anything. Once again, I say "read Blum's books". They are well documented. It's difficult to determine whether Stalin was paranoid or simply responding to the attempts by the west to overthrow him and destroy his country. I think probably both were factors in _his_ brutality. Similarly for China, the west was constantly trying to overthrow that government. Neither government knew who to trust. Bush trusts only his inner circle. Of Solzhenitsyn's books, I've read only "The First Circle". Currently, even young Russians debate whether a full democracy is right for their country...the have no history of democracy. China is becoming more "free" and "open". As my HS history teacher noted, it seemed likely that the U.S. would become more like the U.S.S.R or China and they would become more like us. I believe that to be true. It turns out that a Democracy can be corrupted just as badly as Communism, Fascism, Socialism, or whatever. That we are losing our freedoms is due not to a single political party or ideology. In the U.S. the Republicans hit us from one direction, Democrats from the other. The effect is the same...loss of freedom. All governments lie and all become corrupt. For brutality, read about Vlad The Impaler (i.e. Dracula or "Son of The Dragon), the real life person who was the model for Bram Stoker's "Drcula". Short, but very interesting read. At: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...d/index_1.html MM |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
Moonlight Mile wrote: The people who were the driving force behind the Revolutionary War ( you know, against the British ) were mostly wealthy white slave-owners well, let's see...i guess he doesn't know it was the portugese who started the slave trade in 1404...doesn't know european xtians held slaves since the time constantine made it the state religion... who thought that all men, except black men and any other ethnic group they chose to exclude, were equal. guess he doesn't know that in many european countries, women didn't get the right to vote until the 19th or 20th century...that black men were not freed from slavery until about 60 years before americans freed them in the US... Failure to repay such debts often resulted in imprisonment in debtor's prisons.'''' yes, and i suppose there were no debtor's prisons in europe...why...none at all. no injustice...no murderous french revolution. no religious wars...europe was always a peaceful bastion of equal rights for all... Manifest Destiny was America's policy for justifying the taking land that did not belong to us. and colonialism was the europeans' justification for doing exactly the same. American Indians were slaughtered has he ever heard of belgium? the massacres king leopold fostered in the congo? the centuries of racist colonialism that STILL has africa screwed up? no...he hasn't. to him, there was no evil at all until 1776. The majority of Mexicans believe that the Southwest Territories still _belong_ to Mexico. They are correct. Don't even get the idea that Mexicans and people of South America love the U.S. They hate us for what we've done to them (esp. after 1950). They come here because we control the wealth. ah, the cliches keep rolling. no one believes anyone loves the US, least of all racist far left ideologues like this idiot. he thinks only the US is evil...everyone else is perfect. Various skirmishes throughout the 1800s with the badly outnumbered and ill-equipped American Indians--we we quite happy to attack villages and kill very man, woman and child in an Indian village. and the massacre at amritsar? the occupation of the moluccan islands? of burma? of china? oh. he's never head of them. since they didn't involve the US, they must not have happened. . I have no doubt that I've missed many mini-wars, battles, skirmishes, etc. up until this point. BUT THE PATTERN HAS ALREADY EMERGED..the U.S. goes to war simply to get what it wants. Diplomacy is not an option. that's true. no other country in history ever went to war for greed...except america... what a remarkable discovery. WWI? I have no idea why we got involved he finally speaks the truth. Well WWII. We and our "allies", excepting Russia, stood by while Russia fought Nazi Germany mostly on its own. ROFLMAO!! the idiot doesn't even know that the UK was fighting germany years before germany invaded russia!! such is his grasp of history... Churchill said, more or less, less the Germans kill as many Russians as possible, let the Russians kill as many Germans as possible, but we can't let the Germans win. Eventually the western powers got dragged into WWII, but it took Pearl Harbor and the Japan/Germany alliance to get the interest of the U.S. Russia suffered as no other country. notice his glossing over history? his defense of the genocidal soviet regime that killed as many russians as the germans did? notice how he doesn't mention that? he weeps for the native americans and defends a regime that murdered as many people as the nazis, americans and european colonialists put together such is his understanding of history. At the end of WWII, the U.S. started fighting with _Japanese_ soldiers as allies [weren't we fighting against the Japanese in WWII] in China against Chinese Communists, ah, yes, the wonderful chinese communists. they murdered 50,000,000 chinese. but he's a racist so doesn't particularly regard the chinese as human. doesn't care that communism, like naziism, is a murderous genocidal ideology The Tokyo fire bombings were horrendous. so was harbin. so was nanking. but, you see, the japanese murdered chinese and did nazi like experiments on them. BUT, since the victims were chinese, he, being a racist, doesn't care. The short story is that the U.S. turned on our own allies after WWI and WII simply because they were Communist. the british were commies? really? and what of the germans and japanese...we occupied them and today they are among the richest democracies in the world he doesn't seem to know that, either. There system of government and economics were different from ours and we couldn't permit that. We started the Cold War. no...the martians did. i suggest he ask the poles, the czechs, the estonians what they thought of their wonderful soviet friends.... Undeclared wars ( the only kind ) after WWII, Korea, ah, yes, korea...the UN fought that one. but he thinks history began only in 1776... Viet Nam, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I ( immediately after we told Iraq we had no interest in Arab-Arab conflicts--April Glaspie, James Baker ), ROFLMAO more racism. can't handle the idea that arabs could be as murderous as americans...the bigotry of low expectations... Afghanistan, guess he doesn't know afghanistan attacked us... Iraq II. Is Iran and/or North Korea next? Stay tuned! it's well past time for all the peoples of Afghanistan and Iraq, men, women and children to attack every possible American or coalition soldier. Many will die, but they will be rid of "the great satan", the cancer that infests this planet. one wonders why this hoary, cliche ridden sloth doesn't move to the paradise of saudi arabia. Look. I have a lot more material. You could find this information yourself. That you don't know any of this suggests that you are a lazy ****-ant who does not deserve the right to vote. says the racist hater of chinese, arabs and every other human on the planet. Religion=ignorance! Belief in God = Mental Disorder! The most religious developed country in the world beset by the highest incidence of social problems and here's proof of his bigotry. arab muslims are the most religious people on the planet yet he says zip about THEIR govts at all... Noriega (Panama) and Saddam (Iraq) met the same fate as any other of our allies who have outlived their usefulness and become ( too much of ) an embarrassment to the U.S. when's the last time we invaded canada? the UK? we liberated france, germany, belgium, japan, italy, and they are all democracies today. what a one sided view of history... Do your own research! Holy smokes! I've read other posts in this thread and it seems I'm amongst people much like me...anarchists! no...you're a fundamentalist. you have your religion...anti americanism. you have your fundamentalist belief...the US is always at fault. And in the rec.radio.shortwave NG. Bet you've all been listening to radio Havana--I do. yes, cuba is so free that millions have escaped from the place... |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
Moonlight Mile wrote: The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause, other than 3000 dead americans, i suppose... killing not one person known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks. we destroyed the taliban who supported, aided, abetted and conspired with those who did. those involved in a conspiracy are just as guilty as those who implement it....a basic fact of law... All reasons for attacking Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there after nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. We've imposed a puppet goverment ?? a govt elected by the people in elections monitored by the UN... oh i forgot. he hates arabs. I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you. you cant even get thru to yourself. it's no wonder you can't reach anyone else. |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
X-No-Archive:
In article , David wrote: On 22 Feb 2007 12:01:08 -0800, "tack" wrote: ...instead of marching across Asia at the end of WWII, we assisted in rebuilding our former enemies' infrastructure... the QUALITY of the American people isn't the same in this generation as in that one... The Marshall Plan was very unpopular in this country. But it benefited the U.S. economy to do so, or we simply would not have done it. If the U.S. had lost 17 million people in WWII, we would have done as the Russians did after that war. Russia was just trying to rebuild themselves. But they tried to rebuild eastern Europe..the western powers (us) did everything we could to undercut the Russians and we used Nazis to do much of our dirty work. They suffered tremendous damage to their country in WWII. The U.S. sustained Pearl Harbor. The U.S. gets the 9/11 paper-cut and we go to war with two countries ( one for reasons known at the time to be lies ) and threatened at least two more. The U.S. does have plans to invade Korea and Iran. The U.S. has many illegal Mexicans here doing nothing but the hard work Americans won't do. They come here only to work. The U.S. starts building fences to keep them out. You should know that. What the hell will we do if we sucessfully keep people from Central and South America out?????? Now that I think about it, as I wrote before, Russia was busy fighting Germany on their own before the Germans started the western front. And it's a damn good thing the Russians _were_ fighting the Germans. The Allied Armies on the western front were inferior to the German Army in terms of equipment, training, morale, military strategy...in every battle where the odds were close to even, the Germans prevailed. Russia was also fighting Japan on their Eastern border as were the Chinese Communists. And the U.S. thumps their chest and claims to have won the war(s). No they didn't! As is typical of the U.S., we did as little as possible, make as few sacrifices as possible, declare victory, and go back to homes and a country untouched by war. Come up on current events if you want to even try to keep up with me. At least pay attention to what I've written. Then read some books. MM "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith |
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
|
(OT) : Canadians Partners in The-War-on-Terror
|
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:41 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
RadioBanter.com